Less sense of security for those fully vaccinated against Coronavirus

[+ dupontversDC]

Subject to the small percentage of "breakthrough" cases where a fully vaccinated person can still acquire covid.

And it's a really mild cold? And it's really, really, really rare?

 

Do you live in this much fear of everything else in the world or just what the media have trained you to be deathly afraid of in the last year?

[coriolis888]

And it's a really mild cold? And it's really, really, really rare?

 

Do you live in this much fear of everything else in the world or just what the media have trained you to be deathly afraid of in the last year?

 

 

You are having a bad day!

 

Where did you get the "fear" idea?

 

I think you need a rest from posting hostile messages about the statistics on those who become infected after being fully vaccinated.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Even vaccinated (or on meds), there's inherent risk at play. Always.

 

However, what that vax is positively doing for you SEVERELY OUTWEIGHS not getting it to begin with.

 

If you have a choice between having ugly, life-threatening COVID and simple, barely-there COVID, which would you choose?

 

I never thought the COVID vax would totally prevent me from getting it, just as a flu shot isn't going to give me 100% protection either. It simply acclimates your body to the virus, gives you some defense and plays down the symptoms.

[Islesguy]

I do follow science and guidelines, but considering a majority of the country is NOT vaccinated, this new messaging IMO is dangerous, and can bite the CDC in its ass, when people that arent vaccinated will be throwing off their masks. There certainly WILL be situations in which I will continue to wear a mask until the majority of the country IS vaccinated.

This is the real issue. I am fortunate to live in an area where even though it is majority Republican, vaccine uptake is above the national average with roughly 60% having received at least one dose. Still, you don't know who is and isn't vaccinated. Until cases here are no higher than single digits per day, my mask is staying on indoors.

[+ Lucky]

Now Bill Maher says he has COVID despite being vaccinated.

https://nypost.com/2021/05/13/bill-maher-contracts-covid-despite-being-vaccinated/

[+ WilliamM]

Yankee shortstop Gleyber Torres once had COVID, then was vaccinated, and today he tested positive for COVID again. This is quite troubling. I am beginning to doubt the efficacy of the vaccines, or at least the J&J vaccine.

It's hard to believe that other Yankee players won't join him.

 

https://nypost.com/2021/05/13/gleyber-torres-tests-positive-for-covid-19-amid-yankees-outbreak/

Gleyber:

 

Perhaps @Unicorn has time to read about the Yankees and comment here

Where is he?

[+ purplekow]

As posted above, the vaccine is 95% effective meaning that 1 in 20 people have less than optimal or no protection. That is why it may be that a third immunization may be needed at 6 months and then perhaps yearly. Secondly, testing positive and having the disease are not one and the same. The CDC recommends that people who test positive should not be tested again for 3 months as the positive test with viral particles may be positive for at least that long. Third, the test itself is not 100% accurate. There are always some false positives.

The vaccine also is though to confer protection from the severe portion of the disease, so those who get the disease may be those who had limited protection yet still had a mild case that might have been worse had they not had the vaccine. There is no way to prove or disprove that.

That is not to say that we know everything about the vaccine or the contagion. I for one, think we are getting much too complacent about it and that dropping mask protocols and in general totally opening things up is probably not the best way to control this disease. On the other hand, people need to live their lives and as a result the risk benefit ratio of continued closure and restrictions has likely reached the point that the benefits are less than the risk. As a physician, I believe the restrictions are the better health care option. As a human being, I am comfortable with easing but not eliminating restrictions.

[+ purplekow]

Perhaps @Unicorn has time to read about the Yankees and comment here

Where is he?

AS for the Yankee outbreak, one would need to know when these people were vaccinated and if they had the disease in the past. IF they are long haul patients, those who symptoms persist for months or more, than they may be carrying enough of a viral load to test positive.

While it is concerning, at this point, I would mention again that testing positive and having the disease are two different things.

[+ WilliamM]

AS for the Yankee outbreak, one would need to know when these people were vaccinated and if they had the disease in the past. IF they are long haul patients, those who symptoms persist for months or more, than they may be carrying enough of a viral load to test positive.

While it is concerning, at this point, I would mention again that testing positive and having the disease are two different things.

 

My message is not great now but I don't remember the baseball teams with players who tested positive last season not actually having the disease

[Bacon]

Yes, there is the risk of breakthrough infection and even death from COVID after receiving a vaccine. However, the last time I read a news article reporting the percentage of vaccinated individuals becoming infected, being hospitalized or dying was extremely small, i.e., several decimal places below one percent and significantly lower than the number of flu cases/deaths per year. As others have pointed out, it’s all about the risk, and I’m more likely to die from many other causes every time I leave the house. So yeah, I’m not as stressed about the risk anymore.

[Luv2play]

Yes, there is the risk of breakthrough infection and even death from COVID after receiving a vaccine. However, the last time I read a news article reporting the percentage of vaccinated individuals becoming infected, being hospitalized or dying was extremely small, i.e., several decimal places below one percent and significantly lower than the number of flu cases/deaths per year. As others have pointed out, it’s all about the risk, and I’m more likely to die from many other causes every time I leave the house. So yeah, I’m not as stressed about the risk anymore.

I agree with what you have written here but would add that each individual has to consider their own vulnerabilities to serious outcomes from acquiring the disease, whether vaccinated or not. From the beginning it has been the case that people with certain co-morbidities would be likelier to get seriously ill or die while healthier individuals stood a better chance of only experiencing a mild cold-like illness resulting from infection from the virus.

 

Nothing is guaranteed however, no matter what your situation, but the vaccines at least add another layer of protection to help your immune system to ward off the worst outcomes. The other strategies such as wearing masks when it is difficult to distance and avoiding crowded indoor venues still apply however. I think the US has gone too far too fast with easing these restrictions. Time will tell.

[Guest]

Perhaps @Unicorn has time to read about the Yankees and comment here

Where is he?

He's been hiking in the middle of a US National Park and has very poor internet reception.

[samhexum]

So far 7 staffers of the NY Yankees, all vaccinated, have tested positive for COVID-19.

From the very beginning of vaccine, they said that fully vaccinated people COULD become infected, however the effects would be less severe and NOT life threatening. So, vaccine is not a perfect solution, but for me, I have a peace of mind knowing I am vaccinated, and therefore am more inclined to interact with others although there is still some level of rick.

Yankee shortstop Gleyber Torres once had COVID, then was vaccinated, and today he tested positive for COVID again. This is quite troubling. I am beginning to doubt the efficacy of the vaccines, or at least the J&J vaccine.

It's hard to believe that other Yankee players won't join him.

Perhaps @Unicorn has time to read about the Yankees and comment here

Where is he?

AS for the Yankee outbreak, one would need to know when these people were vaccinated and if they had the disease in the past. IF they are long haul patients, those who symptoms persist for months or more, than they may be carrying enough of a viral load to test positive.

While it is concerning, at this point, I would mention again that testing positive and having the disease are two different things.

 

The Yankees received the J&J shot, which I believe many baseball teams did, just because it was easier to vaccinate a large # of people with a one-dose vaccine. BTW, Gleyber caught covid last winter, so he's really snake-bitten.

 

While the J&J vaccine is considered to be as effective as the Phizer & Moderna shots in preventing serious illness, it's only supposed to be 65% effective in stopping Covid infections from happening, so...

 

Yankee announcer (& Danny Aiello nephew) Michael Kay brought up a good point today on his radio show... The Yankees are tested EVERY day, so you're getting all these positives. Only one (Phil Nevin) was symptomatic, and he's now asymptomatic. So if none of these positive Yankee cases are having bad experiences, perhaps there are many more "breakthrough" cases happening in the vaccinated population at large, but we just don't know about them because they're not being tested everyday, and they are asymptomatic, so they don't know they've caught it.

[BSR]

A very interesting development in Las Vegas: the Wynn & Encore resorts will no longer require fully vaccinated guests to wear a mask indoors. No proof of vaccination will be required; guests are simply on the honor system.

 

I'm a bit puzzled by this because I thought all of Nevada was subject to an executive order from Gov. Sisolak mandating masks for all indoor public spaces. But if the Wynn & Encore can drop the mask mandate, apparently I was mistaken. I expect other casinos to follow suit quickly, as well as other businesses.

 

Edited to add: I saw this after the news about Wynn/Encore, that Gov. Sisolak plans on lifting the indoor mask mandate in light of the latest CDC recommendation. Details will come out later today.

Edited May 14, 2021 by BSR

[+ sync]

I feel comfortable having been fully vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine. When the J&J vaccine came onto the scene, one of my nurse cousins told me emphatically to not get the J&J vaccine. She went into a tirade about not trusting J&J for anything. I didn't go into particulars with her (I would not have understood her medical references anyway), but it left me uneasy about the J&J vaccine.

[samhexum]

When the J&J vaccine came onto the scene, one of my nurse cousins told me emphatically to not get the J&J vaccine. She went into a tirade about not trusting J&J for anything.

 

She's probably a New England Patriots fan. (The NY Jets are owned by one of the Johnsons.)

 

BTW, did you know that Ennis Del Mar's daughter is an heiress from the family that owns the Giants?

 

And speaking of heiresses... the actress who plays Kim Burgess on CHICAGO PD has been fighting for years to prove she's the illegitimate daughter of a deceased wealthy businessman, so she can claim part of his estate as her inheritance. If she proves it, one of her half-siblings will be Maggie Wheeler (Chandler's on-and-off girlfriend Janice from FRIENDS).

[+ sync]

She's probably a New England Patriots fan. (The NY Jets are owned by one of the Johnsons.)

 

BTW, did you know that Ennis Del Mar's daughter is an heiress from the family that owns the Giants?

 

And speaking of heiresses... the actress who plays Kim Burgess on CHICAGO PD has been fighting for years to prove she's the illegitimate daughter of a deceased wealthy businessman, so she can claim part of his estate as her inheritance. If she proves it, one of her half-siblings will be Maggie Wheeler (Chandler's on-and-off girlfriend Janice from FRIENDS).

[Guest]

Perhaps @Unicorn has time to read about the Yankees and comment here

Where is he?

I'm back from my delightful 3-day hiking trip in Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks. Even before the vaccines were authorized by the FDA, it was well-known that they do not provide 100% protection against getting ill. What we didn't know then, but do know now, is that getting the vaccine does offer virtually 100% protection against (1) death, and (2) spreading to others in the event one does get sick:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41415-020-2228-9

 

Getting vaccinated, or prior infection with the virus, doesn't mean you can't get sick again, but once you have the long-term IgG antibodies, you will no longer have live virus (not be contagious).