How OnlyFans Changed Sex Work Forever...

[Mocha]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/02/09/style/onlyfans-porn-stars.amp.html

 

I was doing some browsing and came across this article. What are people’s opinion of this? I don’t have anything to say 1 way or another about onlyfans, but I feel like this article is trying to insinuate that regular in person escorting is a thing of the past, and I just don’t feel onlyfans is really as staple as its being portrayed.

 

I still meet a lot of clients who don’t do anything with their credit cards on websites. I’m still kind of new to this whole onlyfans discovery. I’ve considered getting up on it, but it just seems like a lot of upkeep to be consistent with (as I know has already been discussed by @TylerandAce previously) My hands are already full answering all the texts and emails I get (not bragging nor complaining, just saying).

 

I still feel there’s room for “traditional” escort work. One of my friends made a statement saying that guys aren’t even escorting anymore, they’re just on onlyfans. Which I understood what he was trying to say, but I think it’s a bit of a stretch to say sex work has ditched real life fucking, and subscribing to virtual voyeurism instead.

[Bargara Leatherboy]

If your popular it certainly drags in the bucks.

[Monarchy79]

Great thread!!!

 

I don’t think that only fans will negatively impact escorting. It actually might enhance it. Sex workers can show their skills through only fans and possibly grow their clientele.

 

Another thing I like about only fans (although I’m not a subscriber), is that it gives sex workers more control over their career as porn actors.. they can make lots of money without getting exploited by the larger production companies....

 

It’s the equivalent of being a singer/musician and going “independent”, instead of being signed under a record label.

[Mocha]

Great thread!!!

 

I don’t think that only fans will negatively impact escorting. It actually might enhance it. Sex workers can show their skills through only fans and possibly grow their clientele.

 

Another thing I like about only fans (although I’m not a subscriber), is that it gives sex workers more control over their career as porn actors.. they can make lots of money without getting exploited by the larger production companies....

 

It’s the equivalent of being a singer/musician and going “independent”, instead of being signed under a record label.

 

I think the catch to that is, based on what people have said...you still have to drive the traffic to your page via porn, and that generally involves being with some production label to get recognized enough.

 

I’m still putting some feelers out there for doing shoots.

 

At the same time, I wouldn’t want someone trying to “push me” into it. I won’t say any names, but I was kinda rubbed wrong when one person said to me, “when are you going to do porn, when you’re 50?” And then referred me to go talk to some random about getting into it. Like...let me get into at my own pace, I don’t need someone trying to coax me into something, and then referencing someone as a “mentor” of who I need to talk to. One thing for sure, nobody out here is trying to hold nobodies hand toward the biz because shit is already saturated as it is, and they trying to stay relevant their damn self.

 

If I want to go into it, it’s mainly because I want to showcase my talent and have something added I can share with clients during sessions or when we aren’t together. St the same time, I just feel like everyone is doing it, how do you even break into an industry that’s already loaded, and have the resources to keep up with it AND all the texts and calls I get while traveling, doing in person meets, etc.

[+ tassojunior]

I think the catch to that is, based on what people have said...you still have to drive the traffic to your page via porn, and that generally involves being with some production label to get recognized enough.

 

I’m still putting some feelers out there for doing shoots.

 

At the same time, I wouldn’t want someone trying to “push me” into it. I won’t say any names, but I was kinda rubbed wrong when one person said to me, “when are you going to do porn, when you’re 50?” And then referred me to go talk to some random about getting into it. Like...let me get into at my own pace, I don’t need someone trying to coax me into something, and then referencing someone as a “mentor” of who I need to talk to.

 

If I want to go into it, it’s mainly because I want to showcase my talent and have something added I can share with clients during sessions or when we aren’t together. St the same time, I just feel like everyone is doing it, how do you even break into an industry that’s already loaded, and have the resources to keep up with it AND all the texts and calls I get while traveling, doing in person meets, etc.

 

Everyone uses Twitter to post teasers to drive traffic.

 

Otherwise, OnlyFans is very 2018.

[Zapped]

I found a lot of onlyfans guys through teasers on YouTube and Instagram.

 

Like anything else, it’s a lot of work, and marketing is as important as the content itself. I’d think that one could develop a social media following, onlyfans, and then studio porn and everything would support everything else.

 

For sure, though, escorting and open work (whether onlyfans or studio) are different forms of sex work. Do what is authentic for you. And remember that whatever you put online in the form of video will be there forever and if you go into another line of work your videos will very possibly get recognized. I’m thinking of the college wrestlers on Fratmem, a couple of high school teachers, the policeman who had done a kink video, etc.

[marylander1940]

If your popular it certainly drags in the bucks.

 

It might be the reason why pornstars like Austin Wolfe don't escort anymore.

[Mocha]

Everyone uses Twitter to post teasers to drive traffic.

 

Otherwise, OnlyFans is very 2018.

 

 

It might be the reason why pornstars like Austin Wolfe don't escort anymore.

 

Whoa...let’s not get ahead of ourselves lol. If Twitter were to go tomorrow, I would still be driving traffic via rentmen...which is ultimately where all traffic is coming from now. Every porn Star seems to be on Twitter, but I’d say a lot of your non-filming sex workers just aren’t on there. I’ve still not gotten a client DIRECTLY from Twitter, and one who reached out to me last weekend who my assistant found out he had a Twitter and posted actively, turned out to be a royal ? jerk.

 

However, I do have clients who view my Twitter as an accessory.

 

I’d also have to hear directly from a person themselves as to why they quit escorting. Even if I could make the same money or more just by doing only fans and not actually meet clients, I would still not give up escorting. I genuinely do like meeting clients in person, and I rather have someone give me $300 to actually suck my dick and actually let me lick their ass and fuck, than to get even $20/month to watch me on a film do someone else or myself.

 

That’s not to say it’s not ever worth it, but just saying to trade it out for that...just seems a bit of a stretch for me. And that article also seems to allude that it’s not escorts who need to get into porn, but rather porn stars who are wanting to get up on what we’ve got going on. And that’s nothing new.

 

But I can appreciate someone using both forms of sex work to market. I just don’t like this whole idea of, “I don’t have to be a prostitute, I can just have an only fans and escort remotely”. I would be bored.

[+ tassojunior]

I wish there were a good comparsion out regarding how much one makes off OnlyFans vs Chaterbate. My experience as a client is OnlyFans rooms are usually $10/mo and there's other things I can get for $10/mo more exciting. But when I'm in chat I often throw $10 of tokens and sometimes more very often on a guy. Less control.

[TruthBTold]

I don't think that OnlyFans or its companion JustFor.Fans fight against escorting (as I understand it as I do not engage in it). I might go to the sites to see how a particular escort might perform with me and if it seems we might get along together then I might give him a call to talk. Of course, I still have to discuss the various things we might do together because I still have to make sure that he will do with me what I see him doing online. A lot of times it goes like this: someone is mentioned here (along with a Twitter/ Instagram link), I go there and see more of the person, the person may put in his OnlyFans/JustFor.Fans link, and then I might go there and be tempted to join. If I join and I like what I see then I might be tempted to see the escort in person because of the sex he has with the online guys. But he really has to keep up the number of scenes he tempts everyone with and the attractiveness of the people he has on line. So, life is a circle. I think in the end it could work out in your favor if you let it.

[Zapped]

I follow a couple of guys on onlyfans, each of whom occupy a niche that does have anyone IRL in my area. Plus I can get off quite a bit for a lot less money than an escort.

 

If one of those guys did escort work, and we were in the same city at the same time, I’d make an investment!

 

I know a guy who’d like to do porn and may start with onlyfans. He’s not into escorting, though. Separate of sometimes overlapping skill sets.

[nate_sf]

This article on onlyfans/justfor.fans appeared in the most recent issue of Wired:

 

https://www.wired.com/story/culture-fan-tastic-planet-influencer-porn/

 

It takes a bit of a different angle, focused more on the blurring between social media "influencers" and porn, but makes some interesting points. Social media stars/porn stars/escorts... a Venn diagram of sorts?

[mike carey]

It takes a bit of a different angle, focused more on the blurring between social media "influencers" and porn, but makes some interesting points. Social media stars/porn stars/escorts... a Venn diagram of sorts?

Interesting article, thanks Nate. Yes, some sort of Venn diagram, varying from concentric circles to two that are entirely separate. On indeed more than two of them! The final few lines are interesting, the author clearly sees and for whatever reason respects the distance between the on-line and in-person identities of that person.

[Mocha]

This article on onlyfans/justfor.fans appeared in the most recent issue of Wired:

 

https://www.wired.com/story/culture-fan-tastic-planet-influencer-porn/

 

It takes a bit of a different angle, focused more on the blurring between social media "influencers" and porn, but makes some interesting points. Social media stars/porn stars/escorts... a Venn diagram of sorts?

 

Good article...it just reinforces what I already know and feel about social media:

 

“The internet has become a place to treat identity and anonymity like a stack of cards in perpetual shuffle, whether on Second Life or in the quarrelsome forums of Reddit. Social media platforms function as digital canvases of endless self-creation and branding.”

 

I don’t know. I am just an old soul to an extent. I can appreciate how social media (specially only fans and such) can bring people to normalize an “influencer”, but my experience with people who are “influential” on social media and give off this constant vibe that everything is rosy, and their pictures always show them looking sexy and flawless....usually have all sort of issues. But they portray and live this image of some type of idol. I’ve met guys who were big on social media, but had no car, lived with their grandmother, no job, no money, alcoholics, disrespectful, unreliable...but yet their social media was brimming with likes and followers as if they were such wonderful people.

 

I just feel like we’re at a point where nothing is never enough. Being an escort posting face/nude pics isn’t enough. You’ve got to be on social media. Social media alone isn’t enough, you’ve got to be doing porn. Now doing porn isn’t enough, you’ve got to be on onlyfans and winning “subscribers”.

 

I’m not saying one has to do all these things to be relevant, but I feel like every couple of years, I feel like I’m not doing enough...because there’s something else and another that you should be doing. The blogger also made a good point in the article: An influencer may be advertising content to God knows who of what type of people. You just don’t really know.

 

At this point, I’m trying to take the direction into filming, but I know that’s like “old school” now. However, I don’t see getting anywhere with onlyfans just right off the bat. I’m doing better focusing on my individual clients and making sure people who don’t follow thru send me my cancellation fees, rather than putting into a full time business of trying to keep interest going on onlyfans.

[+ Gar1eth]

Isn't it more just a porn site-but actor controlled rather than studio controlled? I mean if I'm horny, I want to meet guys not just see them on the big screen-or small screen if on my phone.

 

Gman

[Mocha]

Isn't it more just a porn site-but actor controlled rather than studio controlled? I mean if I'm horny, I want to meet guys not just see them on the big screen-or small screen if on my phone.

 

Gman

 

Well...to an extent. But some of the articles posted seem to explain and answer those facts.

 

I feel Rentmen has become an onlyfans of its own. That’s why I said 1,000 times already, private pics and videos need to be paid for. They don’t wanna listen to me though. So people keep looking at free content and wasting our time. Fortunately, it’s made me smarter in charging for my private pics, and collecting $10 “conversation fees”.

 

I’m very close to just not talking to anyone unless they pay me $10 upfront. That’s not being greedy...that’s just not having the manpower to answer every single text that comes in to me, from people who don’t end up booking or who “drop out” of the conversation right when it gets down to the money part.

 

This wasn’t as much of a problem when we used to be able to post rates. Like someone said to me last night in Milwaukee, “there’s guys out here sucking dick for blunts”. So it would make sense some of the rentmen clients contacting us may not be expecting livable rates.

[+ OliverSaks]

Don’t you have “an assistant” that handles your arrangements? Why not let this person deal with all the hassles of communicating? Or “they” are only for collecting fees?

 

Well...to an extent. But some of the articles posted seem to explain and answer those facts.

 

I feel Rentmen has become an onlyfans of its own. That’s why I said 1,000 times already, private pics and videos need to be paid for. They don’t wanna listen to me though. So people keep looking at free content and wasting our time. Fortunately, it’s made me smarter in charging for my private pics, and collecting $10 “conversation fees”.

 

I’m very close to just not talking to anyone unless they pay me $10 upfront. That’s not being greedy...that’s just not having the manpower to answer every single text that comes in to me, from people who don’t end up booking or who “drop out” of the conversation right when it gets down to the money part.

 

This wasn’t as much of a problem when we used to be able to post rates. Like someone said to me last night in Milwaukee, “there’s guys out here sucking dick for blunts”. So it would make sense some of the rentmen clients contacting us may not be expecting livable rates.

[+ IronMaus]

I think the catch to that is, based on what people have said...you still have to drive the traffic to your page via porn, and that generally involves being with some production label to get recognized enough.

 

I’m still putting some feelers out there for doing shoots.

 

At the same time, I wouldn’t want someone trying to “push me” into it. I won’t say any names, but I was kinda rubbed wrong when one person said to me, “when are you going to do porn, when you’re 50?” And then referred me to go talk to some random about getting into it. Like...let me get into at my own pace, I don’t need someone trying to coax me into something, and then referencing someone as a “mentor” of who I need to talk to. One thing for sure, nobody out here is trying to hold nobodies hand toward the biz because shit is already saturated as it is, and they trying to stay relevant their damn self.

 

If I want to go into it, it’s mainly because I want to showcase my talent and have something added I can share with clients during sessions or when we aren’t together. St the same time, I just feel like everyone is doing it, how do you even break into an industry that’s already loaded, and have the resources to keep up with it AND all the texts and calls I get while traveling, doing in person meets, etc.

There are a lot of people who are popular on OnlyFans and JFF who haven't done studio porn - some of them refuse to. Some of them never show their face/head but make thousands a month off of their videos. If you have a niche (one particular type of video/fetish) it's easier to create a following. A big cock helps and the sound of your voice can also determine people's attraction to you.