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[Mocha]

Alright, I’ve come to decision. Next topic...

 

 

 

I changed my mind, I want to keep the topic going. So in a nutshell: these are the top 3 problematic types when it comes down to making what I would call “fake” requests. It doesn’t have lead to actually going to a destination, or sitting around waiting for a client in a hotel and they not show up. It could be as simple as someone texting a provider for an appointment, getting details, discussing an arrangement, and then failing to confirm on the day/time agreed.

 

Additionally, these types will 99% of the time come around and book the escort again at a later time, only to flake out on the provider again. This eliminates any potential of something emergency coming up, this is the work of a fake-pretend client who likes to wind escorts up and waste their time.

 

1. The texter who contacts to make an appointment, then doesn’t respond after 1 or 2 messages. Couple months later, the person contacts again, likely asking the same questions: are you in (insert city) as if you’ve never spoken before and they didn’t just go radio silent.

 

2. The ones who go thru the process of making an appointment, but then find all reasons they can’t make it work, usually by saying “that won’t work for me”. These types will wind you up for several minutes/hours sometimes (especially the adam4adam types). Or, they text out the blue in effort to be “bossy” by implying nothing you do will work for them (as if them contacting as implies we exist for the sole reason of dropping everything just for them).

 

3. Obviously, the ones who have an appointment, and then flat out don’t show up to the address given or location sent.

 

Right now, I’ve already got a reporting avenue going, but now it’s time to take it to the next level. Hopefully it’ll help deter the bullshitters (because let’s face it, they do it because it’s entertainment to them and gives them an ego boost) and help others avoid them.

Edited June 22, 2019 by Mocha

[marylander1940]

@Mocha Great idea! I would also advice providers not to make plans with guys using texting apps.

[JayCeeKy]

I have a feeling that publishing client information online may backfire on you - that no one will avail themselves of your services out of fear that you would disclose personal information about them.

[marylander1940]

I have a feeling that publishing client information online may backfire on you - that no one will avail themselves of your services out of fear that you would disclose personal information about them.

 

Austin Wolfe was told the same thing.

 

Now with his onlyfans page he’s more popular than before

[Mocha]

@Mocha Great idea! I would also advice providers not to make plans with guys using texting apps.

 

It’s hard to tell who’s using texting apps initially.

 

That’s the other thing I’ve been considering. For awhile I’ve been accepting and encouraging to answering texts, but I may need to revert back to not accepting them anymore. It’s making me too accessible to them, and despite me responding to each text professionally and with full details on my rates along with allowing them to introduce themselves, appointments still don’t get made, people still drop off, etc.

Edited June 18, 2019 by Mocha

[Mocha]

I have a feeling that publishing client information online may backfire on you - that no one will avail themselves of your services out of fear that you would disclose personal information about them.

 

Well, it’s just going to have to be that way. Right now, no one else is taking the initiative. I’ve had conversations with websites over and again, offering suggestions that could help cut down on things. They’re not taking the suggestions, and it’s getting worse, not better.

 

Maybe the fear is what people need to change how they associate with providers. Being nice, sexy and professional on its own isn’t working. They’re not listening to that.

 

Just the other day: I had a client call and claim he wanted to book that night in Denver (as I said before, quickly becoming the #1 worst area for bullshit clients, 2nd only to Atlanta for worst), asked if I can host and if not he would get a hotel. Never called back, never returned messages. Just a complete gamer. And what happens to him? Nothing. Because nobody won’t do nothing. There’s no Credit Karma, Experian, or Equifax to report his f-ing ass to. So what do I have to do?

Edited June 18, 2019 by Mocha

[SweetBen]

If I were you I’d ask for a depost upfront via PayPal, Zelle or other cash platforms.

 

If someone books an appointment and doesn’t show up I charge cancellation fee. If they don’t wanna pay I simply find out who they are and blackmail.

 

Even a guy from Saudi Arabia came like a dog to bring me a cancellation fee. I hate my time being wasted or being messed around by cheapo charlies. Next time they’ll think twice?

[Mocha]

If I were you I’d ask for a depost upfront via PayPal, Zelle or other cash platforms.

 

If someone books an appointment and doesn’t show up I charge cancellation fee. If they don’t wanna pay I simply find out who they are and blackmail.

 

Even a guy from Saudi Arabia came like a dog to bring me a cancellation fee. I hate my time being wasted or being messed around by cheapo charlies. Next time they’ll think twice?

 

Oh wow, good one lol.

 

I do ask for the deposit in some scenarios, but on some occasions people have said they don’t want to pay upfront. So I don’t like to ask for them for all sessions. Especially the ones who contact from Adam and RentMasseur. They are the least likely to want to leave a deposit.

 

I asked for a cancellation fee today from someone, and got quite a nasty message back via RentMasseur from him, including being called psycho and disease ridden. I’m wondering if I should print it out and take it over to his place of employment, and see what they think about that.

 

But in reality, I really don’t have time for this crap. I’m not out here to fight and wrestle with clients. And I also get tired of people contacting me, and when I try to get them to meet, it turns into a “oh that’s too far/too late/too much money”

 

I had one guy today, 1st he said the location I was going to host would be too far today, then he says tomorrow won’t work for him, when I suggested being able to host at a hotel closer to him. I told him, “If you don’t want to compromise on location/time, I can’t help you. I’m not in the business to revolve around what works for you”.

 

I know it sounded harsh, but people got it fucked up to think they can text me, and then boss me around and say no, no, no...when THEY CALLED ME. I don’t know why these dudes think when they contact me, I’m going to be nearby, in a hotel, available, and waiting for them.

 

You’d think having a car would be such an advantage in this business. But in some cities, you lose regardless because people can’t host, and expect you to already have a place to host them...when they can’t even be bothered to confirm or show up to begin with. Meanwhile, hotels during the summer are running $120+ a night in many cities. And here I am sitting in a hotel right now, and all the 20 people who contacted are nowhere to be found.

 

I just don’t know what to do. Either turn off texts, or create a gripe site. I’m even just considering setting a time to answer texts/calls at 2 times of the day, and that’s it. Because these round the clock texts with no money or bookings coming out of it is pushing me to the verge of burnout and depression. Something has to give, because I refuse to suffer much longer dealing with this nonsense.

Edited June 18, 2019 by Mocha

[Deadlift1]

open season

 

noun

 

a situation that allows or causes a particular group of people to be treated unfairly

 

20.

 

That’s the number of people who’ve texted me over the past week, and have not bothered to confirm or have not showed for an appointment.

 

I don’t know if it’s due to gay pride season or what. But there’s no pride in dealing with inconsideration from other gay men, who seem to have no shame in sabotaging the business of another gay man...whether it’s sex work or otherwise. And it’s been close to 2 weeks since I’ve had a new client. The other 2, have been repeats.

 

Each time someone has contacted me, it’s been either a last minute excuse, or failure to confirm time, or showing an unwillingness to compromise scheduling. It’s almost as if people are contacting for no other reason but to get on someone’s nerves. One guy claimed “we never made a contract” therefore he doesn’t owe me a cancellation fee. Despite us specifically talking about the day we would be meet and I’d confirm. I then call the number, and it’s disconnected...meaning this person then went on to intentionally block me.

 

This FOOL contacted me! Just like the imbeciles who like to say, “I’ll pass” in the middle of arranging a visit. You can’t pass on me, I didn’t call you, YOU called ME. Pass on your damn self lol.

 

The time is now to put an end to this, or at the very least put some responsibility on those who do it. We’re in a period now that NOBODY is looking out for us, and it shows in the way people are going about booking us. Not even the websites we depend on, have done their part to 1) enforcing seriousness/respect for providers and 2) make any repercussions for those who don’t respect or take us serious (as I’ve suggested to Rentmen, allow us to post ratings of clients privately).

 

So, I feel it’s necessary for me to do what I have to do. Tonight I’m going to be creating a website specially designed to list the info of people who intentionally stand us up. And when I say intentional, these tend to be repeat offenders: I don’t know how many times I’ve told people they need to pay cancellation fee or there will be no future meets, only for them to come around a couple/few months later asking if I’m available...as if it never happened.

 

At this point, I’ve already enlisted a service to assist me. From here, it’s just a matter of putting it into a helpful database

Nah. You will forget about it.

[Mocha]

Nah. You will forget about it.

 

Never that. I’m already getting the word out in other ways.

 

I’m trying to figure out some ways to avoid having to make the site, because I’m trying to focus on getting my X tube account together instead.

 

I’m considering the alternative solutions: either getting rid of or only responding to texts once a day, or being more persistent on giving new clients a 1 strike only rule. Meaning if they contact me, and stop responding 1 time...block and don’t allow them to contact again.

 

I had 2 people do exactly that. Both of them contacted me today, and did it AGAIN. They contact me with 1 or 2 messages, I respond back with atleast 2 texts, and then get no reply. A week or a month later, they come back around and contact me like nothing ever happened, and don’t respond back AGAIN. So that rules out any sort of reasoning for them doing it the first time, if they come around and do it a 2nd time. Some guys are honest and will say their wife/partner, etc walked in. Fair enough. But all the silent treatment nonsense is different.

 

People like that have some sort of complex, and at that point they don’t deserve discretion. That’s not a client, that’s a SCAM ARTIST. And they need to be reported and made to answer. They mess with our time for sport, just to mess us up. They’re not clients. They’re criminals. These people troll the Rentmen sites looking for attention from us, with no intention of making anything happen.

 

And I pay for a service which helps me track down these sorry excuses for a client. They think they can dog me out, and leave me looking empty handed. Then they find out the hard way, that I’m not the 1 for it. I like the ones who try to threaten to sue me and call the police and blah blah blah. For what? Don’t they remember they contacted me first and went out their way to fabricate a meeting?

 

A genuine client shouldn’t have to worry about any of that, because that’s not how normal clients operates.

Edited June 19, 2019 by Mocha

[+ VictorPowers]

If they don’t wanna pay I simply find out who they are and blackmail.

Good old extortion. Rolling my eyes

[RealAvalon]

Good old extortion. Rolling my eyes

Wild wild west … and not in a good way

[+ WilliamM]

I have a feeling that publishing client information online may backfire on you - that no one will avail themselves of your services out of fear that you would disclose personal information about them.

 

I saw the same "provider" for two years, so I know how different escorting can be.

 

When I hired Billy Brandt in 2000, many people were interested. One gentleman wrote an article about Brandt and published my private comments. He allowed me to delete information about the guy I mentioned above.

 

I was furious - beyonds furious.

 

@Mocha, do not go ahead with your publishing plans. I was outed by a reporter, although it was far from the end of the world, but it was totally unprofessional. I am surprised that you are even thinking about it.

[Deadlift1]

Mocha go back on your meds!

[marylander1940]

Mocha go back on your meds!

 

@Mocha shares his honest frustrations on here with us and that must be appreciated.

 

it's tough to be a provider in this age of texting apps, and so many guys available.

 

As a client, I am often irritated by the many different restrictions on potential communications between myself and a potential provider. Some say do not call, text only, others say no emails, some say only emails no text. Etc Etc. All the while I grumble, "but wait...don't you want my custom?"

 

Recently I found some very expensive but poorly chosen bespoke computer equipment ( at the time in 2010 $5k per system) in my closet that I was going to put on the curb. My Husband, after making some choice comments on my judgement, persuaded me to try out eBay and sell the parts. I have never even bought anything on ebay.

 

Without going into boring details, after setting what I thought were reasonable very discounted prices based on similar items for sale, I have been bombarded with a torrent of emails which I initially started to dutifully respond. But it is never ending, some people dickering over $1.00 on a $20 component, pointing out the most insignificant variance. On the times I just acquiesced and said fine your price- they didn't even buy it then!

 

Perhaps many/most are well intentioned and just need a little information, but it is overwhelming. The irony is I can't imagine if these emails were over something so personal as companionship or sex! It has been an educational experience for me. I guess I am a bit sheltered in not having this experience before. In my company, people only email me with inquiries that are well thought out and I don't have to go back and forth so often. A call really can weed out the chafe and get to the point. The second computer is going straight to our local tech school...maybe someone there can do something with it, but I won't be taking that one apart.

 

Thanks to all who endure us

Edited June 19, 2019 by marylander1940

[+ SundayZip]

So, let's say you setup a website and post the name and phone# of clients who have irritated you;

- Who will get access to the site? Or is it a public site available to all?

- Will you notify clients when their name and/or phone# is posted and allow them to dispute the posting?

- Will a client's name or phone# stay on the site forever, or will you have process for removing their name/phone?

- Will you allow other escorts to post to the site? If so, will you establish and enforce rules regarding what can be posted and circumstance that justify a posting?

[+ WilliamM]

So, let's say you setup a website and post the name and phone# of clients who have irritated you;

- Who will get access to the site? Or is it a public site available to all?

- Will you notify clients when their name and/or phone# is posted and allow them to dispute the posting?

- Will a client's name or phone# stay on the site forever, or will you have process for removing their name/phone?

- Will you allow other escorts to post to the site? If so, will you establish and enforce rules regarding what can be posted and circumstance that justify a posting?

 

@Mocha can not be serious. Just suggesting it is offensive to clients who have never hired him, especially when so many other providers are available

Edited June 20, 2019 by WilliamM

[MiamiLooker]

[Deadlift1]

Deflect and ignore. Narcissism 101

[+ WilliamM]

@Mocha shares his honest frustrations on here with us and that must be appreciated.

 

it's tough to be a provider in this age of texting apps, and so many guys available.

 

Always been tough to be a provider, although a bit less in days of escort agencies. I remember an agency gent about 26 years old saying this is not easy, I feel sorry for the younger guys.

[Walker1]

On top of SOSTA, this is what we need as a community.

[SweetBen]

People should realise this is business at least in the UK where i’m based and pay taxes.

 

If I book an appointment in New York to see a hairdresser they’ll ask for credit cards details as well so they can charge a fee in case i was a no show . Not a monkey to be boss around douched dressed for nothing

[+ WilliamM]

People should realise this is business at least in the UK where i’m based and pay taxes.

 

If I book an appointment in New York to see a hairdresser they’ll ask for credit cards details as well so they can charge a fee in case i was a no show . Not a monkey to be boss around douched dressed for nothing

 

True in New York perhaps, but not 90 miles away in Philadelphia.

[MscleLovr]

IDK how often clients are flaky and fail to appear. I can believe some of the reports escorts make here. For myself, I know that I have only cancelled once at short notice (when an escort demanded $250-300 MORE than we had previously agreed for an overnight rate).

 

Also I had well-reviewed escorts flake on me a couple of times. Indeed one famous LA escort cancelled on me only when I rang to confirm he was on his way to our overnight date. He implored me for a second chance - I agreed and he was a ‘no show’ for that date too.

 

Overall, my personal view is that there’s bad behaviour on both sides of this very personal service industry.

[Mocha]

Mocha go back on your meds!

 

I agree...I should be on meds dealing with this shit.

 

sex workers that want clients who contact...wait, no...PEOPLE (again this isn’t about clients, it’s about PEOPLE who contact sex workers: 2 separate entities who aren’t always mutually exclusive) to take responsibility and have consideration, needs to get on meds.

 

My point exactly. And people wonder why nothing is getting done to legalize/decriminalize. Because we’re crazy, and need help, meds, etc. when we ask for a little grain of respect and change.

Edited June 20, 2019 by Mocha