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[Mocha]

So, let's say you setup a website and post the name and phone# of clients who have irritated you;

- Who will get access to the site? Or is it a public site available to all?

- Will you notify clients when their name and/or phone# is posted and allow them to dispute the posting?

- Will a client's name or phone# stay on the site forever, or will you have process for removing their name/phone?

- Will you allow other escorts to post to the site? If so, will you establish and enforce rules regarding what can be posted and circumstance that justify a posting?

 

-Access would likely be open.

-Yes

-Maybe, depends if they fix the issue

-I would let other escorts post. It would be moderated before being posted.

 

This isn’t a new idea. There’s one called rate my customer (google it).

Edited June 20, 2019 by Mocha

[Mocha]

IDK how often clients are flaky and fail to appear. I can believe some of the reports escorts make here. For myself, I know that I have only cancelled once at short notice (when an escort demanded $250-300 MORE than we had previously agreed for an overnight rate).

 

Also I had well-reviewed escorts flake on me a couple of times. Indeed one famous LA escort cancelled on me only when I rang to confirm he was on his way to our overnight date. He implored me for a second chance - I agreed and he was a ‘no show’ for that date too.

 

Overall, my personal view is that there’s bad behaviour on both sides of this very personal service industry.

 

Well...that’s the thing too. If we’re going to want respect, then escorts need to start first. I don’t know who flaked 1st, the chicken or the egg. I don’t know if more escorts have flaked on clients or the other way around.

 

We have to set an example. At the same time, people who contact us don’t need to tar us with the same brush either. I recently had a mofo do exactly what you mentioned: but he would text me, asks if I’m available, then not return messages. He did it twice.

 

I look him up, he’s an actual lawyer, with his phone number and photo on a law firm website. Sometimes I wonder if these people are being coerced to do these things on the behalf of someone. What lawyer in their right mind is going to contact a sex worker twice, and then stop responding twice. Not after I give rates, just after saying “thanks for your response. How can I help you, I am available today”

 

That’s just so elementary. And these people are going to keep doing it, until someone calls them out on it. Apparently the guys he’s done it to, haven’t trained his ass. He learned from me though...I don’t play that.

[+ WilliamM]

Well...that’s the thing too. If we’re going to want respect, then escorts need to start first. I don’t know who flaked 1st, the chicken or the egg. I don’t know if more escorts have flaked on clients or the other way around.

 

We have to set an example. At the same time, people who contact us don’t need to tar us with the same brush either. I recently had a mofo do exactly what you mentioned: but he would text me, asks if I’m available, then not return messages. He did it twice.

 

I look him up, he’s an actual lawyer, with his phone number and photo on a law firm website. Sometimes I wonder if these people are being coerced to do these things on the behalf of someone. What lawyer in their right mind is going to contact a sex worker twice, and then stop responding twice. Not after I give rates, just after saying “thanks for your response. How can I help you, I am available today”

 

That’s just so elementary. And these people are going to keep doing it, until someone calls them out on it. Apparently the guys he’s done it to, haven’t trained his ass. He learned from me though...I don’t play that.

 

Perhaps the lawyer is a member of this site, and is opposed to publicly mentioning clients by name.

[maninsoma]

Just a couple of observations, for what they are worth:

 

1. In any kind of business, it's the job of the salesperson to close a sale with a prospective buyer. I know of no business where 100% of inquiries result in sales. You write as if you expect every single inquiry to result in a booking and that just isn't a reasonable expectation. If your rate of success isn't where it needs to be (which appears to be the case based on what you've posted), I suggest looking at what you can do to improve that. I think that threatening to post names and phone numbers (or actually following through with that threat) is not a smart tact for a variety of reasons.

 

2. Ask your fellow escorts which strategies they use to cut down on time wasting. There are some very successful escorts on this site. I don't know whether any of them will be willing to offer you business advice -- and I don't even know if you're open to advice from others that doesn't already confirm what you think -- but if I were in your shoes I would want to know what positive actions others are taking that lead to their success. Going down a rabbit hole of negativity is not going to yield positive results. Focus on success, not failure; focus on proactive steps, not reactions to problems.

 

3. Take your venting off line. I understand the need to vent. I vent about what I don't like about my job, but I don't put those in writing and send them to everyone I work with. I vent in person with people I know who are willing to listen (and obviously I don't let those relationships become consumed with my negativity; it's just part of what occurs). I think it's particularly dangerous for a business owner to vent about customers (or potential customers) in public since you can turn off potential customers, alienate existing customers, and incite people who might otherwise not even know about your business to start a negative campaign against it. There are always people who like a good fight, and if you appear to be starting one then you'll surely find people who will be more than willing to spend time trying to get what they perceive as the upper hand. For this reason alone, I think your online presence here is destructive to your business. My general impression of you, never having met you, is that you are unhappy with this profession and I just don't think that's a wise image to project on a site where the majority of members are potential customers.

Edited June 20, 2019 by maninsoma

[tenderloin]

Just a couple of observations, for what they are worth:

 

1. In any kind of business, it's the job of the salesperson to close a sale with a prospective buyer. I know of no business where 100% of inquiries result in sales. You write as if you expect every single inquiry to result in a booking and that just isn't a reasonable expectation. If your rate of success isn't where it needs to be (which appears to be the case based on what you've posted), I suggest looking at what you can do to improve that. I think that threatening to post names and phone numbers (or actually following through with that threat) is not a smart tact for a variety of reasons.

 

2. Ask your fellow escorts which strategies they use to cut down on time wasting. There are some very successful escorts on this site. I don't know whether any of them will be willing to offer you business advice -- and I don't even know if you're open to advice from others that doesn't already confirm what you think -- but if I were in your shoes I would want to know what positive actions others are taking that lead to their success. Going down a rabbit hole of negativity is not going to yield positive results. Focus on success, not failure; focus on proactive steps, not reactions to problems.

 

3. Take your venting off line. I understand the need to vent. I vent about what I don't think about my job, but I don't put those in writing and send them to everyone I work with. I vent in person with people I know who are willing to listen (and obviously I don't let those relationships become consumed with my negativity; it's just part of what occurs). I think it's particularly dangerous for a business owner to vent about customers (or potential customers) in public since you can turn off potential customers, alienate existing customers, and incite people who might otherwise not even know about your business to start a negative campaign against it. There are always people who like a good fight, and if you appear to be starting one then you'll surely find people who will be more than willing to spend time trying to get what they perceive as the upper hand. For this reason alone, I think your online presence here is destructive to your business. My general impression of you, never having met you, is that you are unhappy with his profession and I just don't think that's a wise image to project on a site where the majority of members are potential customers.

 

Really useful, cogent comment. As has often been discussed, the frustrations go both ways, and unfortunately are probably inevitable in a surreptitious business where much communication has to be cloaked or implied/inferred. You are a wise man.

[manTOman]

@Mocha It does seem that you are very unhappy and frustrated with this business but as @maninsoma wisely stated this might be a wrong way to go about it. You seem to be confusing inquires with confirmed bookings. Expecting that every text will result in a booking is setting yourself up for a failure. Think about how many times you went into a store and ended up not buying anything. You probably even tried a few or a plethora of shirts on and still left empty handed. I know I had, in spite of having every intention of buying something. And to clarify I'm not saying that clients should try you and stiff you at the end, but rather that the time a sales person spends in a store with a customer is somewhat equivalent to the time you might spend texting with someone. I think politeness and positive attitude are the key, but not a guarantee, for success.

 

I can only speak from my point of view but when I send a text the only thing that means is that I'm interested and have an intention of booking an appointment. I'm not for endless texting, but I do need to see how I vibe with the guy. My actions or willingness to book at that point are entirely dependent on his responses. If I sense that he's too pushy, not listening or not responding to a question but rather pushing his agenda I will politely thank him for his time and move on. And again I'm not for endless texting, but a 5-10 minute text exchange needs to happen for both of us to figure out if we're compatible.

 

I get a feeling that what pisses you off the most is the lack of explanation to why they stop texting you. I blame this on various apps, and the common saying "no response is a response". It's quite rude. However this happens on both ends of the equation. There have been numerous times that my initial inquires have been unanswered. There have been times when after a few text exchanges the guy stopped responding. Maybe he was unavailable at the time I suggested. Maybe he wasn't into one of my requests. Maybe he got another booking. Whatever his "maybe" may be I simply don't and won't ever know and I have to take it as a "no response is a response", no matter how much I dislike and disagree with that phrase. I know it's tough and as this is your business you probably get this a lot more than us clients, and when your livelihood depends on it, it's that much more frustrating. However it comes with the territory. Naming names and exposing contacts won't make it stop. The only thing it might certainly do is alienate the clients who might have an actual intent of hiring you.

Edited June 20, 2019 by manTOman

[instudiocity]

Mocha, if you are as verbose in your client communications as you are on this board you may very well be talking yourself out of business.

 

You need to consider practicing some discipline with these contacts, remember you’re selling a session with you, be more mysterious to play into their fantasy while at the same time exercising text discipline. If you don’t have a confirmed appointment in 3 or 4 text exchanges, you are not going to close the guy cuz he’s just winder shoppin’. Learn to walk away. Learn to eliminate the nuts quickly. Practice short concise communication techniques instead of being so verbose.

[Trick]

 

Mocha, if you are as verbose in your client communications as you are on this board you may very well be talking yourself out of business.

 

 

Aside from the verbosity of the communications, he might also want to watch the tone of his replies.

[Deadlift1]

Mocha loves to gaslight. and its working.

[instudiocity]

Mocha loves to gaslight. and its working.

A methane gas-light!

[+ WilliamM]

Mocha loves to gaslight. and its working.

 

Two professions escort and whining. Mocha has a difficult job and apparently does it very well. But, the day to day setting up appointments not so well.

Edited June 21, 2019 by WilliamM

[Deadlift1]

Two professions escort and winning. Mocha has a difficult job and apparently does it very well. But, the day to day setting up appointments not so well.

Winning? Or whining?

[+ WilliamM]

Winning? Or whining?

 

Thanks greatly for the correction.

[Mocha]

You seem to be confusing inquires with confirmed bookings. Expecting that every text will result in a booking is setting yourself up for a failure. Think about how many times you went into a store and ended up not buying anything. You probably even tried a few or a plethora of shirts on and still left empty handed. I know I had, in spite of having every intention of buying something.

 

Gack, what a lame, sorry excuse for an analogy! Don't compare my time and effort to set up a session with a client, to window shopping in a store! You might as well say a client can walk into my hotel or apartment without notice and touch and feel on me, and walk out and call that window shopping! No sex took place, so that's okay right? SMH.

 

You seem to be confused with trying on shirts for escort work! lol. I had a retail friend try to say the same thing to me. There's a difference between going to a place of business where people are clocked into work, and getting paid regardless, versus contacting someone PRIVATELY ON THE PHONE to make an arrangement....then have that person not respond. After that person made you stop what you're doing, check their schedule, risk getting into an accident or ticket while driving...only for the fucking fucktard to stop responding. And then...that same person contacts again 2 months later like it never happened, and does the same thing again! But I shouldn't post their information though because, that same person might have some intent to hire me. Unbelievable.

 

If you want to compare window shopping to ANYTHING we do, it would be when people look at our ads. Go ahead, knock yourself out looking at my ad. Jerk off to my pictures everyday if you want. But don't contact my phone and have me stopping what I'm doing, making concessions to schedule, and then pussyfoot out of the arrangement by being an inconsiderate, sorry excuse for a man by playing games or not responding. Because that's just going to wind them up on the piece of **** list.

 

How about instead we compare it to calling pizza hut/China 1 and the person on the other end putting the phone down when the polite lady asks to place your order? Or going thru the whole process to cook the order, only to see a text saying "sorry, something came up". How about we compare it to calling 911, and then going ghost? How about we compare it to calling your nephew, brother, or other family member to make plans, and then flaking out on them? Bet people would be a little more serious about that, wouldn't they?

 

Just a couple of observations, for what they are worth:

 

1. In any kind of business, it's the job of the salesperson to close a sale with a prospective buyer. I know of no business where 100% of inquiries result in sales. You write as if you expect every single inquiry to result in a booking and that just isn't a reasonable expectation. If your rate of success isn't where it needs to be (which appears to be the case based on what you've posted), I suggest looking at what you can do to improve that. I think that threatening to post names and phone numbers (or actually following through with that threat) is not a smart tact for a variety of reasons.

 

2. Ask your fellow escorts which strategies they use to cut down on time wasting. There are some very successful escorts on this site. I don't know whether any of them will be willing to offer you business advice -- and I don't even know if you're open to advice from others that doesn't already confirm what you think -- but if I were in your shoes I would want to know what positive actions others are taking that lead to their success. Going down a rabbit hole of negativity is not going to yield positive results. Focus on success, not failure; focus on proactive steps, not reactions to problems.

 

3. Take your venting off line. I understand the need to vent. I vent about what I don't like about my job, but I don't put those in writing and send them to everyone I work with. I vent in person with people I know who are willing to listen (and obviously I don't let those relationships become consumed with my negativity; it's just part of what occurs). I think it's particularly dangerous for a business owner to vent about customers (or potential customers) in public since you can turn off potential customers, alienate existing customers, and incite people who might otherwise not even know about your business to start a negative campaign against it. There are always people who like a good fight, and if you appear to be starting one then you'll surely find people who will be more than willing to spend time trying to get what they perceive as the upper hand. For this reason alone, I think your online presence here is destructive to your business. My general impression of you, never having met you, is that you are unhappy with this profession and I just don't think that's a wise image to project on a site where the majority of members are potential customers.

 

1. No I don't expect every single inquiry to turn into booking. If you've ever read my posts, I've explained before that I don't take multiple clients a day or around the clock.

 

2. You seem to insinuate that it's something I'm doing wrong. Versus putting any sort of responsibility on the ones doing it. I have reached out to other escorts many times, it's not something I'm unwilling to do. At the same time, I have come to understand that it's not always worth it because over the years of reaching out to guys in the business, I have been met with varying degrees of advice. Some people give good advice, other don't even bother to respond. Or they give advice laced with kryptonite. Or they respond initially, but then stop responding after 1 or 2 messages (@latbear4blk referred me to someone to ask advice from, I contacted this negro in a polite, professional manner, he replied one time saying he was with a client, and didn't even bother to return any of my other messages. I'm like see, that's exactly why I don't reach out to other providers at the advice of clients. I usually accurately sense who I can go to for advice. Guys who we resemble each other, hate me lol. I don't know why clients think that there's this bond between providers that exists. There isn't. That's why I don't have many real life sex worker friends, because some carry so much animosity.

 

You call it negativity, I call it doing what is already going on in the escort business: reviewing/rating. What's so negative about that? Is it negative because a provider wants to do the same thing that clients have been able to do for a long time now?

 

3. You are trying to control me by using scare tactics that just won't work. By saying destructive to my business, you seem to think that the message forum is the ONLY PLACE in which there is to reach out to clients and make an impression. Don't trick yourself. People have been using the same tired line of not posting on the forum, "be safe, don't say anything that's going to make anyone butthurt." Please. I've gotten over that long time ago. That's the reason why some guys come here, post a few times, and then disappear. People are soooooo afraid of destroying their precious business and possibly...omg, saying the wrong thing and the whole country never hiring them again.

 

Like after I posted this message, I'd already seen 2 additional clients + another favorite from the forum is booking me again. That's not being arrogant, but I'm just saying: Don't get your panties in knot. This isn't about clients, this is about people who contact sex workers for attention purposes, and not with any intent to book. That is two different things. It's like you have independent escort, and then trafficked human being. They're both doing the same thing, but one is good, the other is bad. Make sense?

 

[MiamiLooker]

If I were you I’d ask for a depost upfront via PayPal, Zelle or other cash platforms.

 

If someone books an appointment and doesn’t show up I charge cancellation fee. If they don’t wanna pay I simply find out who they are and blackmail.

 

Even a guy from Saudi Arabia came like a dog to bring me a cancellation fee. I hate my time being wasted or being messed around by cheapo charlies. Next time they’ll think twice?

Why not blackmail clients even if they do show up for appointments?

[Beancounter]

Where’s the padlock when you need it?

[Mocha]

Where’s the padlock when you need it?

 

[+ SundayZip]

@Mocha, Would you mind posting a link to your escort ad? I think that would be useful.

[Mocha]

@Mocha, Would you mind posting a link to your escort ad? I think that would be useful.

 

I don't post links to my ad here, but a few select clients know me already.

[Mocha]

I’ve decided before I do the site, I’m going to 1st continue to cut down on the nonsense, like I’ve previously said before.

 

I’ve already made clear on all of my ads at the start, to only contact me when they know they can schedule, and to be considerate of my time.

 

The other thing I’m going to do, is stop responding to texts at the moment they send them. I find myself responding to texts when I’m not in the position to do so, or responding when they want to meet and I may be in the middle of other things. Then after I stop what I’m doing, they say they can’t make it, and piss me off. So...going forward, I’m only going to answer texts when I get ready to. If I sense they’re just being nosy or want some entertainment, I will just ignore them just like they do. Two can play that game.

 

And a lot of times, these texts just be nonsense. Almost like they’re trying to check up on you. One client of mine texted me the other day, “are you back in town”. I wasn’t bothered, but I waited until the next day to return his message. I wasn’t in town until later that evening anyway, and he didn’t say anything to allude he even wanted a session. Lot of these texts just don’t have any sense of coordination in them, therefore I’m just going to stop responding to them right away.

 

Unless someone sends be a specific message that talks specifically about making an appointment...I’m just going to respond when I am ready, in my comfort zone, and can talk to them. All the unnecessary, round the clock communication ended yesterday.

[Deadlift1]

[tenderloin]

@Mocha, Would you mind posting a link to your escort ad? I think that would be useful.

 

It's good for Mocha that this site is not his only source of clients. His posts have convinced this client to stay away....

[instudiocity]

[MEDIA=giphy]AelF2ps5xLKo[/MEDIA]

Do you comprehend that there is NOTHING attractive in that gif that would make me spend dollars for even an hour of 'tenderness' with a person expressing this attitude? Nor would I be wiling to stick anything anywhere near a person acting in this manner..

[Mocha]

Do you comprehend that there is NOTHING attractive in that gif that would make me spend dollars for even an hour of 'tenderness' with a person expressing this attitude? Nor would I be wiling to stick anything anywhere near a person acting in this manner..

 

It's good for Mocha that this site is not his only source of clients. His posts have convinced this client to stay away....

 

Considering one of you are from New York, and the other from studio city, I’ll dedicate this one to both of you:

 

Edited June 23, 2019 by Mocha

[Mocha]

This is another example of exactly why this website must go forward. This is the typical annoying bullshit that certain people who see us do, and then they act as if they don’t have anyone to answer to:

 

A client who I met once before, contacted me Thursday asking if I was in town. No “are you available for an appointment”, no greeting or anything. So I returned his message Friday, saying that I had arrived back to town. He’s asking if I can host. I told him I’m not able to host. He tells me he could get a hotel for me, but he’s asking if I can meet on the Friday I had just arrived.

 

I told him, I would like to meet today...but I had just returned from being out of town and had a long ride the day before. I asked what other days he would be open to meet during. He gave me Sunday (today) was the best day he could meet, but mentioned possibly a couple of other days.

 

The night before, I text to confirm time. No response. He texts me the next day after noon, to say the text just came in, but that he can’t meet today because it’s storming. The storm was last night, it’s clear today. Now: he could have easily texted me that earlier before getting my message. He waits until getting my message from the night before saying anything about canceling.

 

When I ask him for cancellation fee or he can rebook within next couple days, he says “really” then gives me some rundown on how HE wanted to meet Friday but I wasn’t available (once again, someone trying to boss me around by being non-negotiable, and then suggesting other dates and not making due on it). Then he tells me to “take care”.

 

I don’t know if it’s a power trip or a Midwest thing or what. But I’ve had another client I met before in the same city, do something similar: he hit me back the moment I got back home and asked to see me. I would have had to stop and drive an hour up, despite me having just spent the whole day traveling the day prior. When I tell them for good reason I can’t take the session that day, but can do another...they lie and say they can, and then fail to follow thru on it.

 

Then they want to bitch and act like they aren’t responsible for scheduling anything, but they expect me to drop everything and see them...yet when I’m available to actually meet, they don’t want to drop everything to see me. I don’t know why they think our meeting relies only on when THEY are available. No, no, no. It doesn’t work that way. A session doesn’t happen simply because THEY are available. We BOTH have to be available. And I shouldn’t have to contort my schedule and sacrifice my comfort and convenience, just because they wake up and feel like meeting out the blue, with not much time to make it happen.

 

 

I think some of it may even be a slave/master or older/younger age mentality. Considering the type of guys generally playing these bullshit games. It’s got to be deeper than just what it seems. Some people still operate under the premise that I have to run around for them, but have no respect when it comes down to my process and what I require and expect.