PrEp is NOT a free pass for unprotected Sex

[+ VictorPowers]

My preference is use of a condom. I’m a bottom and a sex worker which puts me in a higher risk category. It’s very common for a client to ignore this preference and insist no condom use when I tell them I’m on PrEp. I get the feeling they think it is a free pass to do as they please. Frustrating.

[Rudynate]

My preference is use of a condom. I’m a bottom and a sex worker which puts me in a higher risk category. It’s very common for a client to ignore this preference and insist no condom use when I tell them I’m on PrEp. I get the feeling they think it is a free pass to do as they please. Frustrating.

 

 

To some, it is. And the data support that view. Congratulations for not allowing youself to be pressured into doing something you don't want to do.

[marylander1940]

My preference is use of a condom. I’m a bottom and a sex worker which puts me in a higher risk category. It’s very common for a client to ignore this preference and insist no condom use when I tell them I’m on PrEp. I get the feeling they think it is a free pass to do as they please. Frustrating.

 

Good for you!

 

Pardon me if I'm intrusive:

 

Is that your preference or is that something you do 100% of the time while escorting?

[Quincy_7]

My preference is use of a condom. I’m a bottom and a sex worker which puts me in a higher risk category. It’s very common for a client to ignore this preference and insist no condom use when I tell them I’m on PrEp. I get the feeling they think it is a free pass to do as they please. Frustrating.

 

Sounds like you'd have an easier time not letting your clients know you're on prep.

[+ VictorPowers]

Good for you!

 

Pardon me if I'm intrusive:

 

Is that your preference or is that something you do 100% of the time while escorting?

 

I may be opening Pandora’s box with this thread. In the end it’s a judgment call and my own health, right? HIV is only one concern of many. I have never had anything in my history of sexual escapades working and not working. I think my action towards staying that way fuels the measures I take.

 

Sounds like you'd have an easier time not letting your clients know you're on prep.

Interesting idea. I do not publicly post on my ad I’m on PrEp, but will answer truthfully if asked. Sometimes admission of PrEp use can ease some minds.

Edited September 29, 2018 by VictorPowers

[+ José Soplanucas]

I’ll be honest as I always am. I have specific criteria involving B.B. Now, I may be opening Pandora’s box here but it’s true. I ask the client to provide a recent full panel test. Is this overkill? Probably. In the end it’s my own health, and HIV is only one concern of many. I have never had anything in my history of sexual escapades working and not working. I think my action towards staying that way fuels the measures I take.

 

 

Interesting idea. I do not publicly post on my ad I’m on PrEp, but will answer truthfully if asked. Sometimes admission of PrEp use can ease some minds.

 

I praise your honesty. I do believe full display is always the best choice in the long term.

 

I do not think you are going too far by asking testing documentation. It is your health, your choice, and your business model. You will probably notice a drop in your demand though. Perhaps you can make the experiment, try it for a reasonable period of time, and make an informed decision about how much you are willing to pay for feeling safer.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Devil's advocate:

 

A full-panel test is only as good as the day you get the blood drawn. That leaves a lot of room for error.

 

However, I agree with those here who have said this is a discussion that needs to be had between every provider and client. Safe sex, safer sex, bareback, etc are personal choices. My main concern is that every sex-worker keep updated on blood work and always KNOW THEIR STATUS.

[marylander1940]

I may be opening Pandora’s box with this thread. In the end it’s a judgment call and my own health, right? HIV is only one concern of many. I have never had anything in my history of sexual escapades working and not working. I think my action towards staying that way fuels the measures I take.

 

 

Interesting idea. I do not publicly post on my ad I’m on PrEp, but will answer truthfully if asked. Sometimes admission of PrEp use can ease some minds.

 

Good answer!

[+ E.T.Bass]

To some, it is. And the data support that view. Congratulations for not allowing youself to be pressured into doing something you don't want to do.

 

Can you help me understand what the data supports?

[bigvalboy]

In the end it’s a judgment call and my own health, right?

 

Precisely...

 

That said, I applaud your open and honest dialogue and your lack of judgement.

[KeepItReal]

My preference is use of a condom. I’m a bottom and a sex worker which puts me in a higher risk category. It’s very common for a client to ignore this preference and insist no condom use when I tell them I’m on PrEp. I get the feeling they think it is a free pass to do as they please. Frustrating.

The phrase "customer experience" is two words for a reason: what the customer brings to the table (usually an attitude!) and the experience that you as a provider aim to deliver. Despite what you may have heard, the customer isn't always right... I am sure my comments here are influenced by my serious dislike of bullies. Good on you for standing up for yourself and your health!

[marylander1940]

To some, it is. And the data support that view. Congratulations for not allowing youself to be pressured into doing something you don't want to do.

 

The data also shows all other STDS are on the rise.

 

I'm afraid @VictorPowers the pressure to BB is increasing dramatically in this buyers market with so many escorts available. Now a days everybody (including me) say they're on PrEP, I wonder how real that is and how many folks would remember taking a pill every day.

 

Glad to know you are standing your ground on this very personal subject! I'm sure most condom-haters would accept wearing a condom just to be with you.

[pubic_assistance]

I may be opening Pandora’s box with this thread. In the end it’s a judgment call and my own health, right?

Completely your own call and any "judgement" should be enthusiastically ignored. I have heard, time and time from the Delusional Denial PreP Fan crowd, who will tell you it's absolutely their "right"( ? )to bareback with strangers as PreP is 100% ( ? ) ( it's not ) effective against HIV. Always ignoring the statistics about the rampant growth in syphilis, and other more traditional STDs, that coincide with the use of PreP. The Pharmaceutical industry goes to great lengths to bury this unfortunate bit of information, and the barebacking enthusiast crowd is eager to eat up the lies.

[+ VictorPowers]

I wonder how real that is and how many folks would remember taking a pill every day.

Morning regimen of Daily V, Fish Oil, and Truvada

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

...how many folks would remember taking a pill every day

 

It's easy to remember when you realize it's your life you're talking about. HIV might be more manageable now, but it's still something you don't want to contract.

 

I'd agree that not everyone who says they are on PrEP really are. That's why you always take personal responsibility for your own health- protecting yourself and making sexual decisions based on what you're comfortable with.

[Inkdnaija00]

My preference is use of a condom. I’m a bottom and a sex worker which puts me in a higher risk category. It’s very common for a client to ignore this preference and insist no condom use when I tell them I’m on PrEp. I get the feeling they think it is a free pass to do as they please. Frustrating.

Same here..No condom, no play

[marylander1940]

Apparently the “PrEP only lobby” went silent on this thread...

[Inkdnaija00]

Apparently the “PrEP only lobby” went silent on this thread...

Dead!

[LookingAround]

Nah I think they’ve moved on and just want your guys voices to reverberate in your own echo chamber lol.

[marylander1940]

Nah I think they’ve moved on and just want your guys voices to reverberate in your own echo chamber lol.

 

Well, they have an echo chamber of their own, don't they?

[+ sam.fitzpatrick]

For me, condom use has never been a complaint. I've never minded the feel of the condom as the bottom and as a top my only complaint are that Magnums are too big for me.

 

However, earlier this year I did start taking PrEP. A couple of factors went into my decision to do so:

 

1. I have twice had condoms come off of my partner with me realizing it until after the we were done with playtime.

2. A good friend's partner of five years had not disclosed to my friend that the partner had been diagnosed HIV+ five years before they met. (Made me realize that if someone who claims to love you and share your bed every night, how could you ever trust someone you are just meeting for the first time.)

Should my doctor ever tell me that I need to stop taking PrEP or my insurance doesn't cover it, I wouldn't fret about not taking it.

[Brock O]

My preference is use of a condom. I’m a bottom and a sex worker which puts me in a higher risk category. It’s very common for a client to ignore this preference and insist no condom use when I tell them I’m on PrEp. I get the feeling they think it is a free pass to do as they please. Frustrating.

I'm glad you use condoms. I really prefer to see guys who use condoms. Like you said, it's not just about HIV.

[wbtravis]

Having never hired an escort I am learning a lot here. Especially about the expectations of customers and the pressure on the provider to go bare. Honestly, I should not be shocked. I hope the expectation of using condoms becomes far more prevalent.

[marylander1940]

Having never hired an escort I am learning a lot here. Especially about the expectations of customers and the pressure on the provider to go bare. Honestly, I should not be shocked. I hope the expectation of using condoms becomes far more prevalent.

 

Agreed!

 

I said before and I'll say it now: hiring someone who might see 7 - 10 guys a week is a Russian roulette.

 

 

[MassageAdam]

Completely your own call and any "judgement" should be enthusiastically ignored. I have heard, time and time from the Delusional Denial PreP Fan crowd, who will tell you it's absolutely their "right"( ? )to bareback with strangers as PreP is 100% ( ? ) ( it's not ) effective against HIV. Always ignoring the statistics about the rampant growth in syphilis, and other more traditional STDs, that coincide with the use of PreP. The Pharmaceutical industry goes to great lengths to bury this unfortunate bit of information, and the barebacking enthusiast crowd is eager to eat up the lies.

In what way does the pharmaceutical industry go to great lengths to bury this information. I've gone to several talks on PREP with reps from Gilead (who makes Truvada) and they specifically say "We still recommend condoms 100% as this does not protect against other STI's."