Mexico fined $ 10,000 for homophobic chant: PUTO!

[marylander1940]

 

"Puto" = faggot.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/mexico-fans-finally-ditch-homophobic-chant-world-cup-fines-players-pleas-165617430.html

[Guest]

Puto means whore.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Puto means whore.

 

Yep. The literal translation is whore.

 

In slang terms, people do use it as another, not friendly way, to call someone gay. It's the even less tactful version of maricon.

[+ purplekow]

Puto is man-whore or equivalent to faggot to some. In any case, it is not nice. Puta would be a female whore.

[+ azdr0710]

"Puto" = faggot.

 

Puto means whore.

 

quoted from the article:

 

The problem with the word – “p—” – is simple. It has multiple meanings. It has different connotations for different people. It is innocuous for some, offensive to others, just like so many English words that are taboo. Many belting it out, and claiming it as a Latin American soccer tradition, fit into that first category.

[+ purplekow]

quoted from the article:

 

The problem with the word – “p—” – is simple. It has multiple meanings. It has different connotations for different people. It is innocuous for some, offensive to others, just like so many English words that are taboo. Many belting it out, and claiming it as a Latin American soccer tradition, fit into that first category.

Tradition does not make it innocuous, just long standing.

[marylander1940]

quoted from the article:

 

The problem with the word – “p—” – is simple. It has multiple meanings. It has different connotations for different people. It is innocuous for some, offensive to others, just like so many English words that are taboo. Many belting it out, and claiming it as a Latin American soccer tradition, fit into that first category.

 

Reminds me of pink locker room for the visiting team because is an emasculating practice.

[+ José Soplanucas]

Literal translations often do not work. "Puto" means indeed "faggot". There is no place in Spanishland where it means man-whore.

Educate yourselves my friends, in our wonderfully machist culture only women can be whores.

[Populist Fury]

Loved the chant, the atmosphere, & the fact that they won <3

 

The dramatic ending to the Sweden/Germany game was good too.

[liubit]

Literal translations often do not work. "Puto" means indeed "faggot". There is no place in Spanishland where it means man-whore.

Educate yourselves my friends, in our wonderfully machist culture only women can be whores.

Absolutely right. In Mexico, the word for male whore is CHICHIFO.

[+ purplekow]

Literal translations often do not work. "Puto" means indeed "faggot". There is no place in Spanishland where it means man-whore.

Educate yourselves my friends, in our wonderfully machist culture only women can be whores.

As a Spanish speaking person, I am sure that you are correct that in your version of Spanish it does not mean that. Perhaps this is true of all dialects and even the context used here. However, I did find several references to it being "man-whore" and if you check on google I am sure you will find it. I am not a native Spanish speaker and would not to presume to make a definitive statement of connotation of a Spanish expression without having checked first. However, having lived in Mexico for two years, I heard many men called "puto" and Iinterpreted it as a homophobic slur and when it was addressed to transsexuals or transvestites, it carried the connotation a whore, same as puta only male.

• SUPPORTED BY 2 SOURCES
  The word puto literally translates as "man-whore", which is often used as a derogatory term for gay males in Mexican Spanish, similar to the American slang word faggot. It is also used to mean "bastard".
  What does puto mean? - Definitions for puto
  http://www.definitions.net/definition/puto
  Other sources:abbreviations.com
  

There were several more but at least some think Latino men can indeed be whores.

• Urban Dictionary: puto
  https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=puto
  1. a spanish word meaning male prostitute 2. some tasty filipino ... Puto has a similar connotation as calling a man a "bitch" but may also be used in reference to ...
  

• What does puto mean? - Definitions.net
  https://www.definitions.net/definition/puto
  The word puto literally translates as "man-whore", which is often used as a derogatory term for gay males in Mexican Spanish, similar to the American slang word faggot. It is also used to mean "bastard".
  

• what does puto mean in espanol? | Yahoo Answers
  https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060904202459AAVoyHe
  Sep 03, 2006 · that word in Mexico does mean GAY (male gay) but in a very despective way, is an insult in fact. Some times we called the coward men in that way to. But the real meaning is gigolo or male prostitute, but we don't use that meaning, is more popular the first that i wrote in my answer.
  
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  [*]I will grant you these are not definitive sources but language is a malleable thing and dialects throughout the Spanish speaking world have many differences.

Edited June 24, 2018 by purplekow

[+ José Soplanucas]

As a Spanish speaking person, I am sure that you are correct that in your version of Spanish it does not mean that. Perhaps this is true of all dialects and even the context used here. However, I did find several references to it being "man-whore" and if you check on google I am sure you will find it. I am not a native Spanish speaker and would not to presume to make a definitive statement of connotation of a Spanish expression without having checked first. However, having lived in Mexico for two years, I heard many men called "puto" and Iinterpreted it as a homophobic slur and when it was addressed to transsexuals or transvestites, it carried the connotation a whore, same as puta only male.

• SUPPORTED BY 2 SOURCES
  The word puto literally translates as "man-whore", which is often used as a derogatory term for gay males in Mexican Spanish, similar to the American slang word faggot. It is also used to mean "bastard".
  What does puto mean? - Definitions for puto
  http://www.definitions.net/definition/puto
  Other sources:abbreviations.com
  

There were several more but at least some think Latino men can indeed be whores.

• Urban Dictionary: puto
  https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=puto
  1. a spanish word meaning male prostitute 2. some tasty filipino ... Puto has a similar connotation as calling a man a "bitch" but may also be used in reference to ...
  

• What does puto mean? - Definitions.net
  https://www.definitions.net/definition/puto
  The word puto literally translates as "man-whore", which is often used as a derogatory term for gay males in Mexican Spanish, similar to the American slang word faggot. It is also used to mean "bastard".
  

• what does puto mean in espanol? | Yahoo Answers
  https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060904202459AAVoyHe
  Sep 03, 2006 · that word in Mexico does mean GAY (male gay) but in a very despective way, is an insult in fact. Some times we called the coward men in that way to. But the real meaning is gigolo or male prostitute, but we don't use that meaning, is more popular the first that i wrote in my answer.
  
  • Status: Resolved
    

  [*]I will grant you these are not definitive sources but language is a malleable thing and dialects throughout the Spanish speaking world have many differences.

 

Hey, I cannot argue with Google. It is just my experience, I should have said, in none culture I have been exposed to "puto" means anything other than "faggot". However, of course my experience is very little compared to all Spanish cultures. If you have been exposed to a real life context (not Google) where "puto" means man-whore, I bend to your personal experience and I have no problem apologizing and accepting that I was wrong.

[+ sniper]

I thought "pato" meant faggot but it's been years since I used my Spanish.

[+ José Soplanucas]

I thought "pato" meant faggot but it's been years since I used my Spanish.

 

I would not question @purplekow 's experience. The truth is that Spanish cultures and language dialectal variations are very diverse, it is possible "puto" meant "man-whore" in some context I have never been exposed to.

[+ purplekow]

Hey, I cannot argue with Google. It is just my experience, I should have said, in none culture I have been exposed to "puto" means anything other than "faggot". However, of course my experience is very little compared to all Spanish cultures. If you have been exposed to a real life context (not Google) where "puto" means man-whore, I bend to your personal experience and I have no problem apologizing and accepting that I was wrong.

Those transvestites were specifically called puto not puta, recognizing I suppose that they were men and whores but it may have been just that they were "faggots". I have never used the word manwhore in English, in fact Steven Kesslar is the only one I know who uses the word whore with any regularity. He has visited in Mexico for weeks at a time, I would ask him to chime in here as to the term he uses for himself as a whore when he is in Mexico. Edited June 24, 2018 by purplekow

[liubit]

In Mexico (and we are talking here specifically about what Mexican fans shout during football matches), “puto” means “faggot” and is a derogatory term. A female whore is indeed a “puta”, but a male whore is a “chichifo”. And yes, I am a native Spanish speaker, Mexican born and raised.

[+ José Soplanucas]

[+ José Soplanucas]

Yep. The literal translation is whore.

 

In slang terms, people do use it as another, not friendly way, to call someone gay. It's the even less tactful version of maricon.

 

"Puto" is, up to my knowledge, the most specific and derogatory term in the Spanish language to refer to an homosexual man. "Maricón" is slightly less specific, it also means "effeminate", and it can be applied to an heterosexual man who seems to be extremely sensitive or delicate. I do not know for "puto" any other meaning than "faggot". Once again, allow me to highlight I am saying "I do not know", which does not mean there are not other meanings.

[+ azdr0710]

I think we can safely conclude here that, possibly even more than English, Spanish has a wide range of dialects, idioms, usages, and regional differences in language/word use....

 

in this case, it's very specifically about Mexico's usage of the word and that country's understanding of it.......other Spanish-speaking countries may know the word, but understand it to mean something slightly different and be more, or less, offensive.....in fact, the word may not even be used much except in Mexico????

 

as a US English-user, I never knew the word "wanker" until I was well into my adult years.....a British couple I met had to explain it to me when we heard somebody say, "the referee is a wanker", while watching some sporting event.....since US English virtually never uses that word, we may never really understand how "strong" (or not) and offensive it is as an insult.......

[+ José Soplanucas]

I think we can safely conclude here that, possibly even more than English, Spanish has a wide range of dialects, idioms, usages, and regional differences in language/word use....

 

in this case, it's very specifically about Mexico's usage of the word and that country's understanding of it.......other Spanish-speaking countries may know the word, but understand it to mean something slightly different and be more, or less, offensive.....in fact, the word may not even be used much except in Mexico????

 

as a US English-user, I never knew the word "wanker" until I was well into my adult years.....a British couple I met had to explain it to me when we heard somebody say, "the referee is a wanker", while watching some sporting event.....since US English virtually never uses that word, we may never really understand how "strong" (or not) and offensive it is as an insult.......

 

I am not Mexican, I am Argentinean. The friend @liubit has shared his testimony from Mexico. I can tell you that in Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Paraguay, Bolivia, and Spain, the word "puto" means "faggot". I do not know in the rest of the Spanish speaking countries.

[+ José Soplanucas]

Just one more thing (for now). I like the word "puto", I like to reclaim it the same way Black comrades have reclaimed the "n" word. When I use it to refer to myself I provoke a shock reaction that I love. Contrastingly, I do not feel comfortable with the word "gay".

[+ tassojunior]

Just one more thing (for now). I like the word "puto", I like to reclaim it the same way Black comrades have reclaimed the "n" word. When I use it to refer to myself I provoke a shock reaction that I love. Contrastingly, I do not feel comfortable with the word "gay".

Same way many of us who are uncomfortable with gay prefer queer. But it does perpetuate derision instead of respect.

[+ José Soplanucas]

Same way many of us who are uncomfortable with gay prefer queer. But it does perpetuate derision instead of respect.

 

Only if the derision is internalized. I love Queer.

[marylander1940]

"Puto" is, up to my knowledge, the most specific and derogatory term in the Spanish language to refer to an homosexual man. "Maricón" is slightly less specific, it also means "effeminate", and it can be applied to an heterosexual man who seems to be extremely sensitive or delicate. I do not know for "puto" any other meaning than "faggot". Once again, allow me to highlight I am saying "I do not know", which does not mean there are not other meanings.

 

The origin of marica, mariquita or maricón is little Maria or an affectionate/diminutive way to say that name.

 

In Spain there's still a famous collection of dolls call Mariquita Pérez, in other countries that would be laughable.

 

[BabyBoomer]

I never knew the word "wanker" until I was well into my adult years.

 

Surely you remember MWC. Peggy Wanker Bundy.

~Boomer~