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23 minutes ago, sydneyboy said:

£300 an hour is very expensive even by London standards.

It's a whole 100 quid more than the average rate for an incall. Shocking. I would never pay 300 quid for an hour, no matter how hot the guy is. 

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On 3/19/2020 at 5:38 AM, Andy2 said:

The (hidden) RM reviews are devastating. Many negative ones, accusing him of theft, drug use, cold behavior, and rushing the session. The reviews suggest that the pix are more or less the provider, but that he is uneven at best, a crook at worst. Many red flags.

Wait. What? "Hidden" reviews on RM???

2 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

The “PnP” aka party and play scene (Chemsex just sounds like some sort of bioengineered sex lol) is big in just about every major gay scene in America too. 
 

 

We don't really say 'PnP' this side of the pond. I think that's more an American thing. 'HnH' is the term used here, which means "high and horny". You see it mainly on Grindr profiles. When I used to have Grindr on my phone, I would always block anyone who messaged me with 'HnH' in their profile. 

14 hours ago, jetlow said:

I typically hire 2-3 hour appointments, but I imagine the escorts in London would much prefer overnights that start at £1000 or more, not a client like me who visits London a 3-5 times a year, and hires for maybe  2-3 hours.

 

Most of my sessions with escorts are for just one hour, or sometimes 2 or 3. 

I don't really do overnights. In fact, I think I've only had 2 or 3 overnight sessions in the whole 15 years I've been hiring.

Most clients only book an hour or two max (if reviews on RentMen are anything to go by). But there are those who really love the longer and/or overnight sessions, and these tend to be the guys who are involved in the whole chemsex scene. As @Jamie21rightly says, this is a really big scene in London and there are plenty of escorts who are more than happy (and even prefer) to use chems while they are with clients. It is not uncommon for an escort to ask me, during our initial communication over WhatsApp prior to meeting, if I'm "into chems?".

The chemsex scene is HUGE in the London gay community/gay world, but I should add that it is not always problematic (though I should state that, as a non-user of chems, I am not defending chems). Many of the escorts who use chems only do so with clients who want them to do that, and are not addicted junkies who need the chems in order to have a good time. I actually think most of the escorts who do the chems will only do so if the client requests it and are not addicts. That said,  sadly the G and "Tina" addicts do exist, and I could tell you a few names on RentMen to avoid if you were ever in London and were looking to hire but wanted to avoid the druggies (but I won't do so on here).

@BaronArtzThank you for your nice words. I think you're right - much better to go with a guy I already know. I think I will ask my favourite escort and see if he is willing to do a dinner date; he does have a boyfriend though, so hopefully he doesn't think I'm trying to pursue something I know isn't on offer nor possible by asking him to a 'date'. Then again, the transactional nature of the occasion should remind him that that isn't the case.

7 hours ago, jetlow said:

@Jarrod_Uncut All good points. I guess i want to feel less shitty about the whole thing. The encounter left me disturbed for almost a week, which is the opposite of what an encounter should do. Talking about it here is part of my recovery from the bad appointment. 

The provider may have a chemsex drug problem and may not be cut out to do this line of work. I felt really sorry for him, and also guilty for hiring, because I felt like I was contributing to his misery ( though he was really happy when I paid him).  The sex itself was meh, but he was very attractive, hot and handsome.  The appointment turned into me counseling him ( again, opposite of what an encounter should be) 

I am going back to London in a few months. Maybe things got better? I don't know. This all depends if he got any new reviews and what they say, and whether on not his profiles are still alive when I back there in a few months.  It also depends on  what his responses are when I reach out, then I will decide. i respect everyones time.  I hinted to him that I may hire him when I am back ( didn't mention that previously) in my feedback.  He is already using what I told him in his RM ad, so I know he is already benefiting from my feedback.

 I just hope he doesn't OD on G, because it seems like he was headed in that direction.  @sjmuktop I think is UK based, and knows its very bad over there, and weeding out Chem dependent providers should be part of everyones protocol when hiring especially in the UK/EU, unless thats what you are looking for ( not me). 

This is the first serious bad appointment I have had.  The people I have hired up to now have been serious pros who take the art and profession of providing seriously and with passion so in many ways.  Part of my recovery also involves meeting my regular,, who will correct this bad experience for me mentally with a for sure great appointment.

 I now know that bad appointments are costly - I have to pay for the bad appointment and the great one to fix it.

@jetlow Yes, I am based in England and can confirm that there is a big chemsex problem within 'the gay world' here (particularly in London and Manchester). Many escorts are into chems - particularly G and also T (crystal meth). The first escort I ever hired died from an overdose of G. Very sad. I sometimes feel that I somehow contributed to his continued drug use having been one of his clients, giving him money that he no doubt used to buy more chems, so I can relate to how you feel @jetlow when you say you feel like you are contributing to this guy's misery.

On 9/26/2021 at 5:01 PM, DrownedBoy said:

In my gay circle, "faggot" is a term we use. Usually noted to depict an immature, overly-emotional, whiny gay man. Our prerogative to use that word.

And yes, hotels don't care about this stuff, and if an escort tries to create a scene in a hotel, security will "escort" him from the building. Personal experience.

I agree with you about it being our prerogative to use that word. I think it's okay for us gay and bisexual men to use the word 'faggot' among ourselves, just in the same way that it's okay for people of colour to use the N-word when speaking to each other.

But it's NOT okay for straight people to say 'faggot' or for white people to use the N-word. Then it becomes homophobic and racist, respectively.

1 hour ago, tassojunior said:

Toward Earl's Court or toward Soho for hotels? Is Soho more gay active again? (I know it's closer to Heaven from my youth).

Gay Soho is centred on Old Compton Street and Dean Street, though the whole area is very gay; quite a few gay pubs, bars, clubs and even a gay sauna there. Earls Court isn't very gay anymore - in fact it hardly is at all, though it is still home to the gay brothel Villa Gianni - located at 32 Nevern Place. 

18 hours ago, CuriousByNature said:

Not sure how accurate this is, but I read somewhere that Soho was once a hunting ground in Tudor times, and that the word 'soho' may have been a hunting cry.  There was a square built that was eventually called Soho Square sometime in the mid 1700s, but I don't know if the name of the area came from the name of the square, or vice versa.

I spend a lot of time in the Soho Square you speak of. It's one of my favourite places in London to just relax and chill either alone or with a friend - especially in the summer.

@Epigonosand @John - thank you so much for giving this post the friendly, mature and respectful responses it asked for.

@Epigonoswhere did you normally pay him if not in the restaurant? Outside just before going in? I had assumed that most guys would want payment in advance for this kind of thing, unlike meeting solely for sex. Two hours in a nice restaurant of the escort's choosing probably sounds like the way to go for me (as long as I also like the restaurant/food on offer). I definitely won't hire the guy if his English isn't great - like I say, I'll call him and find out. Thanks for wishing me luck.

@John - An initial coffee meet first sounds like a wise suggestion, or perhaps meeting for sex first and then moving onto a dinner date? Since I'm new to the whole dinner companion thing, I don't know the best way to proceed - but I like what @Epigonossaid. 

8 hours ago, nycman said:

I tend to hire for sex, and if we seem to really hit it off, then I invite the young man to dinner.
I’d much rather suffer through 1 hour of bad sex than 1 hour of a bad dinner date. 
There’s no way I’d start with dinner. And if you’re even the least bit concerned that
communication will be a problem, trust me, it will be. And it will be a very long painful hour. 

Yes, indeed. I mean I don't know for sure about his English, I will give the guy a call to talk to him first. But if his English does turn out to be as bad as I think it may be (based on his texts), then I suppose I could always book one of my regulars for this? Or perhaps, I should just book one of my regulars for this instead anyway. 

4 hours ago, jetlow said:

wow . I wish i had the guts to hire when i was 33 - i would be a happier person . I only started to hire past 40

Having been though a bad appointment recently I think you should take poor communication as a sign that maybe you should consider a different provider 

Like @xyz48B, I am also 33-years-old and have been hiring gay male escorts since I was 18-years-old (I made a post about that). 

I like to hire guys aged between 18 - 35, with the majority being in the 21 - 29 age range. 

Some of them have been poor communicators, but almost always went through with meeting (only come across a couple or so flakes in 15 years of hiring).  

Lately, I've been thinking about hiring a guy to be my dinner companion, with no sex involved either before or after the dinner date. I guess I just fancy doing something different. I enjoy hiring guys for sex and I love the physical and emotional intimacy and affection that sometimes goes with that, but I just fancy a change. 

I'm currently thinking about what restaurant I'd like to go to, how long I'd like to spend with the guy, and which guy I'd like to choose.

There is a guy I'm looking at on RentMen who I really like the look of, I've been keen on him for a long while now. He's a very beautiful young lad from Brazil and seems a very nice guy judging by how he comes across in his WhatsApp messages to me. But if his messages are anything to go by, he doesn't speak English well. Perhaps I should call him to speak with him on the phone first before making a decision on whether to ask him if he'd come to dinner with me?

I was wondering whether anyone could advise me on whether guys normally expect payment up front for this, or whether they will accept payment at the end of the date? I don't like the idea of paying up front, because I have visions of the guy excusing himself from the table to go to the toilet and then not coming back. I also worry about the guy being distracted by his phone a lot during the date and not paying much attention to me. I worry that making conversation may be tricky (maybe we have nothing in common, no similar interests to discuss, him not speaking good English etc.) and this will lead to a really awkward atmosphere. I worry that he might get up and leave early, that he might not enjoy the food or something.... so many concerns going around in my mind. 

So I'm looking for some advice from my fellow clients who have previously hired an escort to be their dinner companion. Any input would be very much appreciated. Advice on things to avoid and on etiquette would be particularly welcome.

Cheers. 

23 hours ago, tassojunior said:

Does London still have a hustler bar? I remember one from a looong time ago in SoHo that was always crowded. I imagine SoHo would still be more gay action (and rentboy friendly) than Earls Court, right? 

My US passport expires in 3 months so I can't get into Schengen until it's renewed which takes 4 months. I'll just fly my Czechs over. 

It's Soho, not SoHo.

I believe SoHo is in New York City. But Soho is in London.

Just thought I'd clear that up (pedant that I am) 😁

No such thing as hustler bars over here - at least not to my knowledge, and I think I'm pretty "in the know" as far as the London/UK gay underworld and subcultures go haha.

32 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

He asked for 1K for only 1-2 hours

He.....what???? 😐

These guys inhabit a totally different universe if they think anyone would pay a GRAND just for one hour! 

I know there are plenty of guys out there with more money than sense, but jeez..... that takes the ****

20 hours ago, maninsoma said:

 Paying someone for sex is illegal

It is illegal in the US (with the exception of some counties in the state of Nevada), but is perfectly legal in the UK and most other socially liberal European countries and Western liberal democracies, thank goodness. 

The US really does have some backward, regressive laws. I suppose this is down to the influence of the 'religious right' that is a dominant political force over there?

Blimey, you Yanks don't have any sense of humour do you? 

Sometimes I forget that it's a very British thing to make light and fun of a serious situation. 

I'll bear that in mind in future. 

42 minutes ago, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

C'mon, don't be a shit. 

It was said in jest - hence the laughing emoji.

Jarrod, do you ever have an encounter with a client that goes smoothly? 😂

I hired an escort who lived in Leamington Spa (a town in the Midlands of England) a few years ago  - a beautiful mixed race lad who claimed he was a model and an actor for TV adverts (he claimed he got £80,000 for being in a Playstation advert).  

I don't know whether he was a jackanory or telling me the truth, as I hardly watch TV.

3 hours ago, Gymowner said:

hmmmm..... if i was "bullying" anyone with my right of opinion then you need a thicker skin and get over it. it apparent i have struck some sort of nerve in you guys. not my desire. i as everyone on here has their opinion when someone posts a picture of a "hot" guy and think to ourselves if that guy is hot or not. we all do that. many many times i think to myself "geez i dont see what they think is hot about that guys" but i dont remark giving those the respect of their opinion as well.

if i bullied as you stated in my remarks and your "safe space" here to "express" yourself was hurt then that was not my intent. these two in the pictures look underage. i specifically remarked that if they are of age and in the porn industry thats their business to do so. i do stand by my opinion. maybe a better choice of words to not offend could have been used but with all the underage sex trafficking going on across the world it just hit a nerve with me.

 

enough said on my past

You're contradicting yourself and seem to be all over the place.

You remarked that if those two guys are of age (which they of course are, since they're both porn actors for a pornographic studio called Helix Studios), then it's their business and you're not bothered. Yet you are bothered enough to not only say you disagree with me and others finding them attractive, but to decide to take things to a personal level and attack and make insinuations about us and question our morals. In fact you insinuated that we have none and that us men who like such twinks are as bad as paedophiles if not actually paedophiles. 

You're entitled to your opinion. We all have our likes and dislikes. Had you responded to my post saying that you don't see what I think is hot about those guys and that you think they're gross, that would be your opinion and I'd have no issue with it whatsoever. 

That's not what you did. What you did was make a personal attack and pass judgment on me and others in this Forum for liking the guys we happen to like. To personally attack people just for liking something or someone you don't happen to like yourself, when what or who they are liking is perfectly legal...and to berate them as "DISGUSTING" and make very sinister insinuations  about those people personally ...simply because they like someone or something you don't, is wrong.

This was bullying and name-calling other Forum members who did nothing wrong towards you or anyone else, and most of all the insinuations you made with regards to paedophilia especially were out of order and despicable. 

And the fact that you have decided to "stand by" your personal attacks and bullying, judgmental behaviour towards me and others ...those of us you think it is perfectly acceptable to judge as DISGUSTING simply for liking guys who you don't - says even more about the kind of person you are. 

1 hour ago, maninsoma said:

I don't think either of them look 14 or 15, though.  Maybe you're just suffering from the common affliction of not being able to tell how old someone young is because you're getting older yourself.  I remember first noticing this in myself sometime in my thirties.

I'm surprised at the Mods allowing someone to come into the post and start bullying other members of the Forum, calling them names such as "disgusting" (a very strong word intended to both provoke and upset), for being attracted to young men above the age of consent in their early 20s employed as porn actors for above-board adult pornographic studios and for doing or saying absolutely nothing wrong at all. This is outright bullying.

@Gymowner has come across as very angry and aggressive, calling those of us who like twinks "disgusting" and basically equating us with and referring to us as paedophiles in all but name. I have no interest whatsoever in lads below the age of consent, and the two guys I posted a pic of are adult porn actors who look to me to be in their early 20s and were indeed above the age of consent at the time the pic was taken.

It doesn't look good for the Forums when Mods allow this kind of behaviour as displayed by @Gymowner. This post is supposed to be about porn stars we'd like to hire, not a discussion in which some Forum members call other Forum members horrible nasty names , berate them and allude to them as being paedophiles or on the same level as paedophiles. 

We should be able to post about which porn actors we like free of intimidation or bullying for saying which ones we like; free of being accused of being the same as men who are into things which are illegal. It is a disgrace that this bully has been allowed to just jump on an innocent comment in which nothing wrong was said  and use it to start being nasty and to cause hostility in what should be a welcoming Forum where members treat one another with respect.

29 minutes ago, sutherland said:

The rate used to be (before the Covid closure) £100 per hour but £130 is still a good price.  Did the manager so anything about Villa Giani's web site reappearing?  The news has to spread that they are in business again.

When I first went there several years back, the rate was £90 for an hour. No the manager didn't say anything about the site. 

4 minutes ago, Woofiecmh said:

This thread is getting toxic so I thought we needed a pallet cleanse...

Does his tattoo say; 'Death Before Dishonor' ?