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That’s a good strategy! Thanks for sharing. Especially considering missed clients can be open to book on a future visit.
 
When I mentioned the drying up effect, I was more referring to cities being visited over an extended period of time: 3-4, even 5 years. And that may not even be due to anything within my control, but just the dynamics that change cities sometimes. Like I mentioned: Salt Lake City used to be a hit maker for me back in the day, but I’ve noticed more and more escorts going out there, and it’s also taken on a more “vagrant” vibe in the downtown areas. On my most recent trip out, I only had 1 client show up. The rest flaked. I was disappointed, but not exactly surprised. I had been going there for years previously and was noticing the steady trend. Guys like @VictorPowers might have better insight.
 
But of course it just varies. I think had I stayed for a few more days or even a week, I’d of picked up more. But I was already annoyed, frustrated, and booked a client in another state... so that opportunity wasn’t in the cards.

I have heard rumors that Seattle clients tend to be really loyal to their local escorts. And that traveling escorts can build regulars there, but that it's really challenging for most people who just try to visit without building a solid relationship with the city. Not sure if it's true, but it's something I've heard from some Seattle folks before.

I have heard rumors that Seattle clients tend to be really loyal to their local escorts. And that traveling escorts can build regulars there, but that it's really challenging for most people who just try to visit without building a solid relationship with the city. Not sure if it's true, but it's something I've heard from some Seattle folks before.

Yes it's definitely true that which cities work for any given person might change over time.
 
I find that the more niche one's service is, the less likely for the well to "dry up" tho, unless you move out of your niche or change price points drastically. Super niche service offerings tend to garner loyalty and longevity among client base, especially if your niche is an area in which you really excel and stand out among your peers. This is why I'm always encouraging people to get more specific about what they are into, cuz I noticed a drastic increase in my retention rate to the point where sometimes I'm actually shocked how many years later my clients are still trying to see me again. But it's usually *specifically* the ones that came to me for niche interests that have this kind of long-term retention.
 
But I've *definitely* experienced this phenomenon as well a lot over the years, especially since the earlier years of my career, where certain cities that used to make me bank suddenly weren't even profitable anymore. And funnily, some of those same cities came around again for me and started being worth my while again. LA is a great example of this for me personally.
 
LA:
Years 1-3 of my career: never visited cuz I was working on the East Coast primarily
Years 4-6 of my career: GREAT city for me to tour, always filled my pockets, and sometimes I was fully booked (3X/day) before arrival
Years 7-10 of my career: doesn't really respond to my ads well, get a few bookings every visit but it's breakeven at best
Year 10-present: great city for me to visit, responds well to my ads, clients fly me there for extended bookings, lots of inquiries for future bookings
 
My brand was definitely the most niche in the time periods where I've done well in LA (including now) so I assume that has played a huge role in the difference for me. I think in big flooded markets, being super niche is the easiest way to stand out and carve your own space out in a huge market.

In the US at least, Paypal can pull money out of your linked bank account to cover any refunds they decide to issue against your account, even if you do not have an active balance in your Paypal account. To be extra safe, some people have a separate bank account that is only used to receive funds from Paypal, which they then transfer elsewhere, so in case Paypal ever decided to pull funds from their linked bank account, there would be nothing there to pull. You might ultimately still end up owing the bank money under those circumstances, but for people who can't afford to risk losing a chunk of their rent money out of their checking account, for example, this can be an extra additional layer of protection that helps them feel ok with this risk. Not sure if it's the same in the UK but just FYI.
 
And yeah I agree, their customer service in general is really hit or miss, and can often be quite terrible.

Yeah that’s definitely a good point here. Sometimes you just have to go to a city over and over again, in order to build a rapport. Sometimes just going to a city 1 time and staying for a couple or few days just doesn’t cut it.
 
However, it’s also true that after awhile... sometimes a person can “burn” thru a city to a point where each visit can become substantially less profitable. Or sometimes that regular anchor client is no longer available... and then you realize without that person, it’s actually not worth the trip. I’ve had that happen with a few cities: places like Boise, Idaho and Salt Lake City were good for a couple of years, then it dried up and never rebounded. Even Minneapolis used to be a hit maker for me, but after a couple of years it too started drying up. I’ve attempted to go recently, but the level of unrest in recent months has me stalled.
 
I have found though that taking 2-3 year breaks from a city gives a chance for the pond the “replenish”. The town I’m in is so dead and dry: I haven’t had a “new” client in almost a month now, and even he has contacted me previously. There’s also some cities that I just rather not compete with. Dallas Texas is one of them. The potential is there, but on previous trips I get 1 client out of a banquet inquiries. When I do go, I make sure it’s not for the sole purpose of finding clients.

I don't segment clients by wealth- in terms of giving them a different level of service for the same session booked. However, my rate structure necessarily enforces a hierarchy of experiences according to what someone is willing and able to pay. Most of my clients can only afford a one, two, or three hour session. A good percentage can also afford more like 4-6 hour bookings. It's a bit rarer for me to get someone who books me for an overnight or a weekend- because my rates are high for these services. In this way, you could argue that wealthier clients who are able to afford $10K for a weekend are getting a much higher level of service from me. But a client who is not at ALL wealthy, who comes across a $10K windfall and chooses to spend it on a weekend with me, is getting just as good of a level of service from me throughout the weekend as the wealthier client who booked the same session. Likewise, a very wealthy client who chooses to book only an hour with me is not getting any better service than every other client who books an hour.

Not sure if this has already been said (too lazy right now to read the entire thread...sorry!), but I suspect there are some men who are attracted to that “don’t waste my time” attitude / bravado.

Tone is everything. The need and desire to deter "un-client" contact is warranted and necessary. However I do agree with the sentiment here. "Do not waste my time" reads to me as someone who may be amateur, not serious about escorting, a flake/time waster themselves, picky, ala carte pricing, rough around the edges, or any combination of similar.
 
Serious inquiries only reads and lands better.

The rate cap for what most clients consider to be reasonable is frankly way too low to factor in every possible operating expense into a base rate. It would be one thing if a client included the outcall address in his initial inquiry before requesting a price quote, but in most cases that's simply not how it happens. If clients were more accepting of higher rates across the board, I'm sure more escorts would not itemize expenses like uber fees. I charge around 300-400 in an attempt to compromise between an accessible market rate and the rates I'd prefer to be charging ($1K and up for multihour meetings), but even guys in very high cost-of-living areas consistently balk at paying $300. Now I have over a decade of experience in the industry and my marketing draws a lot of attention, so I have the perspective to just move onto the next client who IS willing to pay. But most escorts without my experience level probably feel they cannot charge as much as they want to cover every possible expense. I definitely understand the clients' desire for an all-inclusive price, but when rates do not rise with inflation, this is simply not practical. I am glad to see that 300+ is a number clients are getting more comfortable with now. I remember even 5-10 years ago, it was seen as a lot more wild to be asking even that much. So the rates have risen a little. Just not enough for all the bells and whistles to be "included". And as I mentioned above, a lot of times the direct Uber request is also a screening mechanism to weed the real bookings from the flakes.

I’ve done this a few times some years ago. Not with a provider, but with a regular FB. He’s married (to a man) now, we’re still in touch, see each other, but no FB business anymore. We’d always act like we didn’t know each other, engage to a degree with some others while we watched each other, then wind up putting on a show so to speak for the others to watch us go at it. It was quite hot!
Oh to be that young again! Lol

In my world it's cash only for service and warn others about the risks inherent in anti-sex payment processors. If other people want to plug their ears and pretend this isn't the reality, that's up to you. Lot of clients seem to feel that payment apps should be the standard now and that is not okay.

In my world it's cash only for service and warn others about the risks inherent in anti-sex payment processors. If other people want to plug their ears and pretend this isn't the reality, that's up to you. Lot of clients seem to feel that payment apps should be the standard now and that is not okay.

I always try to charge enough so that I can afford to host out of the cost of my fee. Sure, some guys will balk at the higher price, but I find that I have a better success rate with simply using the price point as the filter than with itemizing the cost of hosting. If guys try to talk me down on the price then I will break down the cost of hosting to them to explain why I have to charge so much... if I'm in a patient mood.

Asking a client to pay for transportation fees is normal if they are outside the scope of what is built into an escort's business model. For example, most of my business is incall at my place in SF, which is in the leather district, or outcall to clients who live within 20 minutes or less from me by car. I do charge an extra 100 for Outcall to cover my travel time and expense when I go to a client's place, because my Incall rate doesn't factor in that time or expense. But let's say that a client asks me to do an Outcall to a place that's 45-55 minutes away from me by car. Suddenly my $100 Outcall fee doesn't really feel like it covers almost 2 hours of travel time in addition to the appointment plus the cost of the Uber anymore. I'm definitely going to ask the client to pay for my transportation if they want me to travel that far to visit them. This "business model" factor is obviously going to be subjective to every escort, but it's nothing to take personally or get offended about if someone asks you to cover transportation costs. It only means that this additional cost hasn't been factored into their pricing structure already.
 
Besides this, if this is a client I have *never* met before and have no way of verifying as real/serious, it's very difficult to justify spending so much time and money out of my pocket to go find out. Frankly, most of us who have been escorting for more than a few months or years have had clients send us on wild goose chases to appointments that didn't exist. You only do that once or a few times before you become skeptical of traveling far for someone who you don't know. Asking a client to book an uber is a good guarantee that the appointment on the other end is likely real. Bored guys making fake appointments with escorts to entertain themselves aren't going to invest any money into their prank. And clients who agree to send an uber tend to be respectful, considerate clients who value my service. Some clients even enjoy sending ubers because at least that way they know the escort is going to show up, and exactly when!
 
There was definitely a time when I was less likely to ask for uber fare. Back when uber was really cheap and it was easier to eat the cost in my Outcall fee. Back when public transportation didn't feel like a petri dish for infectious diseases. But we're not living in those times.
 
These days I've started asking most NEW clients who want Outcall to book my Uber/Lyft or send an advance deposit. But I generally also tell them that if they plan to repeat with me that I will handle my own transportation in the future, since we will already know each other. I generally prefer to arrange my own transportation anyway and the entire reason I ever ask anyone to book it for me is purely as a test to ensure that I am not being sent on a wild goose chase with a new/unknown client.

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In my world it's cash only for service and warn others about the risks inherent in anti-sex payment processors. If other people want to plug their ears and pretend this isn't the reality, that's up to you. Lot of clients seem to feel that payment apps should be the standard now and that is not okay.

I don't care what my clients look like, so when someone sends me pics, I assume that they lack an understanding of the nature of our service relationship. Sometimes this is simply due to being blinded by insecurity and needing to feel assured that they won't experience rejection for their body upon arrival. This is understandable. I don't therefore, simply write everyone off who sends me photos as a time waster. However, many inquiries begin with a confident showoffy photo that is offered as a sort of 'bargaining chip', almost, as mentioned above, like the person messaging me is trying to flirt with me and putting his physical appearance forward as the first indicator of what he has to offer. Again this feels like someone misunderstanding the fundamental nature of our service relationship. I can't pay my bills with your good looks. And although I enjoy my work immensely, that is ultimately what I am making my service publicly available in order to do- pay the bills, save for my future- not to meet attractive men. I tend to see the sending of pics in this type of vibe/context as a clear sign that someone is not a good match for me and usually don't engage much further or try to redirect someone into booking an appointment, which generally kills the inquiry since that's not what they actually want.

I don't care what my clients look like, so when someone sends me pics, I assume that they lack an understanding of the nature of our service relationship. Sometimes this is simply due to being blinded by insecurity and needing to feel assured that they won't experience rejection for their body upon arrival. This is understandable. I don't therefore, simply write everyone off who sends me photos as a time waster. However, many inquiries begin with a confident showoffy photo that is offered as a sort of 'bargaining chip', almost, as mentioned above, like the person messaging me is trying to flirt with me and putting his physical appearance forward as the first indicator of what he has to offer. Again this feels like someone misunderstanding the fundamental nature of our service relationship. I can't pay my bills with your good looks. And although I enjoy my work immensely, that is ultimately what I am making my service publicly available in order to do- pay the bills, save for my future- not to meet attractive men. I tend to see the sending of pics in this type of vibe/context as a clear sign that someone is not a good match for me and usually don't engage much further or try to redirect someone into booking an appointment, which generally kills the inquiry since that's not what they actually want.

I don't segment clients by wealth- in terms of giving them a different level of service for the same session booked. However, my rate structure necessarily enforces a hierarchy of experiences according to what someone is willing and able to pay. Most of my clients can only afford a one, two, or three hour session. A good percentage can also afford more like 4-6 hour bookings. It's a bit rarer for me to get someone who books me for an overnight or a weekend- because my rates are high for these services. In this way, you could argue that wealthier clients who are able to afford $10K for a weekend are getting a much higher level of service from me. But a client who is not at ALL wealthy, who comes across a $10K windfall and chooses to spend it on a weekend with me, is getting just as good of a level of service from me throughout the weekend as the wealthier client who booked the same session. Likewise, a very wealthy client who chooses to book only an hour with me is not getting any better service than every other client who books an hour.

I know people like that also. I mean, if we've learned anything over the last 4 year's: a person can be a billionaire and still be frugal and treat people with little worth. I used to come across guys like that all the time:
 
I knew an older guy (not a client, but just had miscellaneous boy toys he'd take out to dinner, etc) years ago when I was younger and dumber, who was decently wealthy: not rich, but had a home in Miami and Pennsylvania. He was so cheap, I had a vehicular emergency occur in his driveway. Had AAA tow me to the shop. Repair bill was like $250. I was already in the area from out of town, which made it worse. He didn't even try to offer me anything, so I could at the very least; make it to a client if one called.
 
But then again, I've found some of the worst "rich" guys are the ones who keep Black "boy toys" around. They have their 1 trophy they keep around and take care of all their expenses...but anytime their others have an issue, they categorize them as just another guy with "problems" and their insensitivity kicks in.
 
That's why I don't care to keep the company of "rich" guys unless we're in a communicated exchange situation. Not that it always has to be about money, but with the understanding that if I need it, they'll be willing to share likewise as I'd be willing to share my craft. But if they think they can get access just because they offer me a room in their home or a fancy dinner... please.
 
That's why I'm so glad on my last tour, I took MYSELF out to eat majority of the time (except when out with my buddy @jbm500 who was courteous to treat a couple of times) and stayed in a hotel nearly every night of the trip except 2. I've grown tired of people doing things for me and thinking since they did it, they don't have to do anything else or that I'm somehow "indebted" to be grateful for what they offered, no questions or substitutions asked

I have definitely seen an increase in bookings over the past two weeks. I have gotten my first dose of vaccine but not my 2nd. I communicate this in my ad. A lot of my clients have already had both of their vaccine doses at this point.
 
You should definitely not let anyone pressure you into meeting before you feel ready. I also get a lot of guys who inquire with me about meeting, ask a lot of questions, take up a bunch of my time and then don't follow thru with a booking. Although this is always an issue for escorts, I feel less annoyed about it these days then I usually would. People are (understandably) not quite sure if they're ready to meet up or not. But a LOT of people are out there trying to figure out if they are comfortable or not.
 
The CDC says that two vaccinated people can safely meet in private without wearing masks if they've both waited long enough to enjoy maximum immunity from the 2nd dose (at least two weeks). I feel *absolutely* comfortable meeting clients who have been fully vaccinated. I am not using the vaccine as an excuse to behave recklessly, but it has increased my willingness to meet new clients and seemingly increased the willingness of many clients to consider making an appointment.

I have definitely seen an increase in bookings over the past two weeks. I have gotten my first dose of vaccine but not my 2nd. I communicate this in my ad. A lot of my clients have already had both of their vaccine doses at this point.
 
You should definitely not let anyone pressure you into meeting before you feel ready. I also get a lot of guys who inquire with me about meeting, ask a lot of questions, take up a bunch of my time and then don't follow thru with a booking. Although this is always an issue for escorts, I feel less annoyed about it these days then I usually would. People are (understandably) not quite sure if they're ready to meet up or not. But a LOT of people are out there trying to figure out if they are comfortable or not.
 
The CDC says that two vaccinated people can safely meet in private without wearing masks if they've both waited long enough to enjoy maximum immunity from the 2nd dose (at least two weeks). I feel *absolutely* comfortable meeting clients who have been fully vaccinated. I am not using the vaccine as an excuse to behave recklessly, but it has increased my willingness to meet new clients and seemingly increased the willingness of many clients to consider making an appointment.

I personally don't charge any extra for couples. However, I always appreciate it when I receive a tip for excellent service. Giving really great service to two different people who may have different desires and needs while also navigating an interpersonal dynamic between two partners can definitely feel like a more demanding challenge that requires more energy and recovery time afterwards. So I completely understand why most people do charge extra. I'd personally like to encourage more couples to book me, and not charging any extra feels like one small step I can take to demonstrate my preference in this regard.

I personally don't charge any extra for couples. However, I always appreciate it when I receive a tip for excellent service. Giving really great service to two different people who may have different desires and needs while also navigating an interpersonal dynamic between two partners can definitely feel like a more demanding challenge that requires more energy and recovery time afterwards. So I completely understand why most people do charge extra. I'd personally like to encourage more couples to book me, and not charging any extra feels like one small step I can take to demonstrate my preference in this regard.