kingsley88

It varies from masseur to masseur of course, but many -I would argue most masseurs- in the US consider all of these extras territory that they either charge for explicitly or expect a hefty tip for providing. They might call it ‘escort’ service or avoid the term altogether. Full service penetration is obviously an escort service.
IMO anything above HE is escort work, or an optional extra “freebie” the masseur should or otherwise would charge for. It’s a gray area. Lots of wiggle room among masseurs on how they draw their lines. Some consider even a HE to be an escort service, but that’s a minority opinion.

I agree with @pubic_assistance.  A masseur in NYC may list 180 - 200 for erotic services but if the session evolves into 'more', either initiated by the masseur or by myself, I pay 300.  By tipping generously, I have no problems getting repeat appointments and the repeat sessions become progressively hotter.  This strategy has worked very well for me.
As one of my friends on this forum mentioned to me privately, having a fun and engaging attitude, showing up on time, having good hygiene and tipping well, as a client, gets you a long way.
In any market, tipping someone 40 because sex was involved is very ... meh.  If I was the masseur on the receiving end of that tip, that client would not get  another appointment.

@EastbayMike @pubic_assistance I agree with both of you. If the masseur does a lot more than a HE, the client consents, and neither initiates a discussion on fees for that, that’s the masseur’s prerogative to offer a freebie. As always I advocate for discussing everything before the session begins so that there are no surprises when it comes to what you’re paying and what you’re getting. I realize that’s less exciting and that clients are notoriously chicken about discussing their explicit desires, but you’re never disappointed when you just talk about it.
The client is not obligated to pay anything extra, even a tip. However, not so common courtesy makes anything less than a generous tip quite insulting for services performed way above and beyond.
If you’re getting full service for 5 mins, 15 mins or 60 mins, it doesn’t matter. It’s still full service, which means the masseur should be charging comparable full service rates. It’s his business to charge those rates, or give freebies away in the hopes of receiving generous (non-compulsory) tips.
Personally, I would rather hire for escort service and treat it as such so both parties are on the same page and the masseur/escort is being compensated equitably. If there’s a massage element, fine, but the real service on offer is sex, be it oral, anal, fetishes, or other sexual play.
When your masseur goes down on you or sits on your cock, recognize that he’s going way beyond the call of duty. He’s leaving money on the table by not discussing rates beforehand, and you can certainly take advantage of him that way. I wouldn’t expect the masseur to repeat that same level of service if you’re not tipping anything significant to thank him. Then again, it’s up to every masseur to operate his business as he sees fit. 

On the rare occasions when this has been "suggested" to me I've always declined. I hate upsells with a passion. 

A friend owns a house in FI and what he does is invite different groups of friends to spend a week there. He would only rent it out to people he knows/trusts. He's not a party person and his house is a 15 min walk from the pier so considered far but so beautiful. 
I'm a morning person so I'm awake when the sun rises and I always go for a 30-40 min walk/jog along the beach and it's almost always empty. So beautiful and peaceful.
Now that fiber optic internet is available in FI Pines, I know more people are working remote there. Before pandemic, internet wifi sucked and most people just were there Friday afternoon until Monday morning.

Having read through all these posts, the thing that I don’t believe anyone has mentioned is the beach. Perhaps I’m prejudiced but Long Island has some of the most beautiful beaches in the world. Fire island is car free except for police and emergency vehicles. Over the years I’ve walked all of Fire Island. Once passed the communities you often find deserted beaches even in high season. You might occasionally see a jogger but often have the beach to yourself. 
As for the drug fueled orgies, I suppose that’s true but that doesn’t mean you have to take part. It’s been several years but I’d rent a house with a few good friends and have a great relaxing vacation. My pattern was to be up at dawn with a cup of coffee and go for a walk. My friends and I were often in bed before midnight after cooking a great meal at home. No clubs or overpriced restaurants. No drugs, no orgies, no real interest in the boys except to look. We were all couples so sex with our husbands was all we wanted. Most days spent sitting on the deck of the house with a book and maybe a cocktail. It was quite blissful. 

I saw him at first as a masseur then quickly switched over to seeing him as an escort. Never had any of the issues with him that I see on this forum. He was always hot as fuck, totally engaged in the sex, kissed great, and every part of him smelled just fine. While he’s a terrific, skilled masseur, I’ll continue to see him as an escort - in fact, he’s one of my top 3 favorite escorts ever. 

I think Fire Island is really what you make of it. If you go with some close friends, you can host your own parties and do what you wish. I've noticed as I've gotten older that the best parties are the private ones held in people's houses that you get invited to during the week. 

I think Fire Island is really what you make of it. If you go with some close friends, you can host your own parties and do what you wish. I've noticed as I've gotten older that the best parties are the private ones held in people's houses that you get invited to during the week. 

I think Fire Island is really what you make of it. If you go with some close friends, you can host your own parties and do what you wish. I've noticed as I've gotten older that the best parties are the private ones held in people's houses that you get invited to during the week. 

I'm guessing you mean 4th of July weekend? That's a busy weekend because of the Invasion.
Definitely bring some cash. The minivans taking you from Sayville LIRR station to the ferry dock mainly take cash ($5 but who knows it might be $6 due to inflation).
Enjoy Fire Island!!! Between Pines and Cherry Grove, I prefer the nightlife at Cherry Grove. 

Traveling guys may differ from normal. They tend to have a captive audience depending on where they’re going and how long they’re staying. If few good options are normally available in a given market, that can drive up demand, and with it, prices.
When I travel, I keep my prices constant and have no lack of appointments filling my schedule from morning to night. At least twice as many same day requests I have to turn down because I’m booked. I could easily charge more based on that high demand but I prefer having plenty of others ready and willing to snatch an appointment when someone else cancels or no-shows. Pricing is not a barrier to seeing me as much as availability is, so I fill in those spots very quickly with same day requests. Suddenly people get a lot less picky about start time when there’s one spot left, take it or leave it.
$200+ for (1) hour of *actual* massage is bonkers. At that rate bracket, I would expect a lot of extras, rip-off schemes, unskilled massages, time shorting, or other unprofessional shenanigans. I charge $195 for 90 mins and it’s truly an excellent massage.
My 60 min massage is $140. A lot of other pro masseurs hover between $120-$160. Much more than that and something is not right. Either that, or you’re getting much more than massage and you’re paying for it. Which is fine by the way, it’s just not fair to compare with regular massage sessions. It’s a different service. Apples and oranges.
I acknowledge local markets differ. NYC, LA, SF and others will naturally be much higher across the board.

Kingsley88. I recently met AnthonyChelsea and I couldn’t agree more!  Very sexy, very attentive and genuinely nice.  I will be seeing him again!     

I thought most I've met were kind but the ones that stand out to me are MikeGaite, WillTantra AnthonyChelsea. 

Both of you are not working for the same company anymore and if you had good rapport, why not? I like Coolwave35's approach. As for me, I hooked up with a coworker 2-3 years before we were coworkers. We weren't in the same team but we were in the same department. Heck I didn't even know his last name and we just recognized each other at the holiday party. He left the company back in 2020 and I caught up with him a few weeks ago as friends. 

Both of you are not working for the same company anymore and if you had good rapport, why not? I like Coolwave35's approach. As for me, I hooked up with a coworker 2-3 years before we were coworkers. We weren't in the same team but we were in the same department. Heck I didn't even know his last name and we just recognized each other at the holiday party. He left the company back in 2020 and I caught up with him a few weeks ago as friends. 

Both of you are not working for the same company anymore and if you had good rapport, why not? I like Coolwave35's approach. As for me, I hooked up with a coworker 2-3 years before we were coworkers. We weren't in the same team but we were in the same department. Heck I didn't even know his last name and we just recognized each other at the holiday party. He left the company back in 2020 and I caught up with him a few weeks ago as friends. 

I wouldn't mind spending $400 an hr if the escorts on RM were truly hot and provided good experience. While I have met a few guys here and there worth that much, most of them have been disappointing. The hottest RM profiles are usually fake. To be honest the best guys (look-wise and otherwise)  I have met were str8/bi guys who advertised on Craigslist back in the day. 

It’s not so much the pricing that has kept me from hiring.  I just can’t seem to find anyone that greatly interests me.

Look at escorts the same way you look at a night out of entertainment, whether that's a movie or a nice meal. There are going to be cheap options and there are going to be expensive options, but you don't get to go to a restaurant and complain to them that they're charging too much for their meals. You know what you can do? Move on and find a different restaurant or form of entertainment. 
A few too many men create stress and drama for themselves over issues they can actually do something about, which is to just move on instead of complain about escorts valuing their time and services at a specific rate.

I agree with JFF preventing downloads because what happens is people download content and then share it on torrent sites etc. It harms the producer because they lose income from subscribers.
It’s costly to produce good porn, and for many of the models they rely on the income. It’s not expensive to subscribe and for the good producers all of their content is available for subscribers to watch (I know that some do charge to subscribe and then charge to view which isn’t good). So I think overall if you like a guys content then just subscribe and please don’t make copies. If you really want a copy of a particular film you can always ask him to put it in his store (where you can buy the films for download). 
I’ve got over 100 films on my justforfans and subscribers get access to them all for $10.99 a month. Subscribe for a month and you can watch 3 a day! It’s great value 🙂

I thought most I've met were kind but the ones that stand out to me are MikeGaite, WillTantra AnthonyChelsea. 

I thought most I've met were kind but the ones that stand out to me are MikeGaite, WillTantra AnthonyChelsea. 

I thought most I've met were kind but the ones that stand out to me are MikeGaite, WillTantra AnthonyChelsea. 

That's beside the point. Valuing an escort's kindness is reasonable and could be a criterion for choosing one. Whether it's an innate trait or something they have mastered to further their business, and you can never be sure which it is, there are some, several of whom have been named here, who from my experience are more likely than not to be genuinely kind.