NikoLeto

Have you seen anything from a Chaturbate model that you consider "the next thing"?
 
Asking as a guy that's looking to get into live camming, I have strongly looked at getting one of those things. Seems like it's practically required to join the site.

This has been my practice so far.
 
I've jumped on Chaturbate a handful of times, and I open up a handful of the top male models (and a few that are just genuinely hot), and I try and assess what they're doing, why they're doing it, how they're pricing things, why they're pricing certain things certain ways.
 
When I saw a straight guy have a tip menu that included "bicep flex" and "pec flex" I rolled my eyes and left. Nickel and dimeing your customers for every little interaction cannot possibly be a good business model to follow.
 
Randomly, I just bought a prostate toy vibrator-thing because I've been so curious about them for so long and I've been wanting to be a better bottom, and yada, yada, yada. Wellp, I bought it only to realize that I need the special pink one that reacts to tip noises. Bleeeeh. Lesson learned. Market research first, business purchases second (this one will fall under personal research ).

- Mention BEFORE booking that they'll be given their fee AFTER the session
- Don't think with your little head
- Only do upfront with a person that you've booked a handful of times and is a regular
 
I always follow those 3 steps and haven't had an issue. Only 1 time a provider said he only takes upfront because he's been scammed a lot. Eventually we agreed on half upfront. Considering the time he was spending to travel and meet me, plus his reviews, I felt comfortable doing so. 
 
 

As I've stated here many times, I have been hiring successful for years.  My first rule has ALWAYS been to thoroughly vet any escort I'm considering hiring.  How do I do that?  I carefully check for reviews on THIS site and totally disregard any reviews on rentmen.  Rentmen reviews are, in my not so humble opinion, worthless.  Rentmen is a great site for eye candy and for locating possible hires - PERIOD.  I'm also quite discerning regarding reviews I value even on this site.  I look for ones from posters whose opinions I know and respect.  I also highly value reviews from guys who have similar stats to mine.  Once a potential hire and I have agreed on his fee I NEVER mention money again.  I usually entertain guys in my home for dinner and a couple of hours of play time.  I ALWAYS have his fee in an envelope sitting next to his dinner plate which I point out to him upon his arrival.  I even mention that if he would like to count it I won't be offended -- I've NEVER had an escort count the money.  I usually have to remind my current regular to put the damn envelope away and not to forget to take it.  I've NEVER had an escort take the envelope and run.
The key to successful hiring is vet, Vet, VET. 

Thats the same a my flashjack which doesn't expect a donation, tip or uber after. 

This is basically the same as failure to get hard. The appointment ends and reschedule . 
I make it known to providers that I realize you are human, but thats a major deliverable, and if you need to go over time to deliver thats on you. 
I have been with guys who run the clock due to equipment failures……thats unacceptable 

Hahaha, I know exactly the "bondage guy" you mean.
 

 
As an escort looking to get into OnlyFans, it is my perspective that the market is saturated, you are required to drive your own traffic to your content, and it requires a bewildering array of skills (up to and including filmography, lighting, video editing, marketing, business acumen, networking, and so on). As such, success is not guaranteed - not by a long shot. Those who are not business savvy will flounder. Those who are exceptionally poor at managing their business will see limited success followed by a hard crash.
 
Success in user-created porn content does not have a "solved equation" to business solvency. Everyone who attempts it is forging their own path and burning the bridge behind them as they go (so others can't replicate/steal their success and dilute their earnings).
 
Additionally, video content is never going to compare with the act itself. I can film a scene where I'm tied up and gagging on dildos or being fucked or whatever you want to imagine, but it's nothing near the same as you the client getting to engage with me personally to fulfill whatever your fantasy happens to be. And that's completely ignoring the not-so-fantastic. Regular vanilla interactions, human touch, etc. those are priceless in their own way.
 
I don't see RM or escorting going anywhere. It's survived since the birth of humanity, I think it'll last a wee bit longer.

Wow, that was a wild trip.
 
In the end, I think it's just that there's a biological interest - the pleasure that comes from the action of getting fucked - or a mental interest - as a sub myself, I know the intense ... euphoria that can come from being tied down and physically "stimulated" - without an emotional interest.
 
For pay4gay guys, they're really just in it for the money, no attraction whatsoever. They fuck, they get fucked, and it might feel good, but there's a piece of the connection that makes someone "gay" or "bisexual" that just isn't there. Sure, from the outside, it looks, objectively, like gay sex, but it's not.
 
Let me try another way: Real cocks feel better than dildos, right? Well, if you are a straight guy that likes getting pegged, then getting fucked by a guy is going to be doing all the same things, but it's going to feel better, because it's a real cock going in your hole. In the same way, Navy seamen get put out to sea for a long-ass time. In those kind of extreme situations, the possibility for straight sex just isn't in the cards. Prison comes to mind, too. These are all extremes, mind you. It's completely possible people put themselves into these kinds of situations on purpose and like you said rationalize that they're still "straight" even though, again, it's objectively gay sex they're having.
 
Anecdotally, I've only been deployed on land, but we only had three females on our FOB, one an enlisted (like me), one an officer, and one a civilian. Technically, I could've shacked up with the civilian girl, because there's no UCMJ that I'm aware of that strictly prohibits servicemembers from engaging in sex at all, but I could be mistaken. Sex between me and the enlisted girl would have gotten us written up, and if she'd gotten pregnant that would've been a HUGE problem. I think it would be written up as "damaging government property," as I'd rendered another servicemember unfit to server in a theatre of war.
 
I said all of that to say that it would've been easier for me and the boys, who all shared bunks, to pound out a load and get off that way. To be clear, the farthest I got was with a curious straight guy who jerked off in the shower with me once. But if there's a gay guy in the barracks who's begging for cock and you've wanted nothing but sex for 8 months, you'd probably close your eyes and just enjoy the ride, then go back home to the wife and kids without batting an eyelash.

Wow, that was a wild trip.
 
In the end, I think it's just that there's a biological interest - the pleasure that comes from the action of getting fucked - or a mental interest - as a sub myself, I know the intense ... euphoria that can come from being tied down and physically "stimulated" - without an emotional interest.
 
For pay4gay guys, they're really just in it for the money, no attraction whatsoever. They fuck, they get fucked, and it might feel good, but there's a piece of the connection that makes someone "gay" or "bisexual" that just isn't there. Sure, from the outside, it looks, objectively, like gay sex, but it's not.
 
Let me try another way: Real cocks feel better than dildos, right? Well, if you are a straight guy that likes getting pegged, then getting fucked by a guy is going to be doing all the same things, but it's going to feel better, because it's a real cock going in your hole. In the same way, Navy seamen get put out to sea for a long-ass time. In those kind of extreme situations, the possibility for straight sex just isn't in the cards. Prison comes to mind, too. These are all extremes, mind you. It's completely possible people put themselves into these kinds of situations on purpose and like you said rationalize that they're still "straight" even though, again, it's objectively gay sex they're having.
 
Anecdotally, I've only been deployed on land, but we only had three females on our FOB, one an enlisted (like me), one an officer, and one a civilian. Technically, I could've shacked up with the civilian girl, because there's no UCMJ that I'm aware of that strictly prohibits servicemembers from engaging in sex at all, but I could be mistaken. Sex between me and the enlisted girl would have gotten us written up, and if she'd gotten pregnant that would've been a HUGE problem. I think it would be written up as "damaging government property," as I'd rendered another servicemember unfit to server in a theatre of war.
 
I said all of that to say that it would've been easier for me and the boys, who all shared bunks, to pound out a load and get off that way. To be clear, the farthest I got was with a curious straight guy who jerked off in the shower with me once. But if there's a gay guy in the barracks who's begging for cock and you've wanted nothing but sex for 8 months, you'd probably close your eyes and just enjoy the ride, then go back home to the wife and kids without batting an eyelash.

I don’t want to get into the middle of your “discussion “ with @builder boy but in all fairness the ad in question states he’s available for escorting, boyfriend experience, nips, erotic massage and modeling. His narrative says “mainly massage”. As a reader of the ad I’m left with conflicting messages. I’m not sure what to think. The only way to be sure would be to ask him “What do you mean by available for escorting?” and then proceed based on his response.

First of all I am reporting the facts, you called it negative, it’s simply the facts. Secondly he should take his ad off of Rentmen, and go to the Massage site only, thirdly he should mention in his as he won’t travel, how hard is that?
Also with his “into’s” it certainly seemed like he was offering more so that should be changed as well.
This site is for sharing btw

I have to admit, having had coronavirus made me really lax with masks. I would wear them to the gym, and that's pretty much it (though, to be fair, the gym is almost the only place I go, besides the grocery store, and masks are mandatory there), though with a close friend's father on a ventilator due to COVID spread to him by his sons, I'm masking up even to answer the door or accept fast food - literally any interaction with people now has me reach for a mask. :\
 
It's easy to forget how life-changing this virus can be.

as of March or so, it appears Boxers N Briefs has permanently closed, according to their yelp page and a comment in it.....
 
https://www.yelp.com/biz/boxers-n-briefs-centreville?osq=boxers+n+briefs

This week I was working in Missouri, and once finished the plan was to spend a couple days with a friend in southern MO before coming back to OR over the weekend. Leaving the work site, I texted my friend to check in, and found out that he was in the hospital with a broken leg, and therefore unable to entertain visiting gentlemen callers- too bad. Since I was already in central MO, I told him I'd head on down to Poplar Bluff so we could at least have a visit in person. While chatting he mentioned that the Illinois casinos were opening again, and Boxers n Briefs was due to reopen this weekend too. I said I was heading up there to fly home, and would he mind if I headed up there early and check things out, he said no ( he worked there until a year ago) so that's just what I did.
 
I wasn't expecting to have anything open during this trip, and had some trepidation about a large indoor crowd. I decided that, since my plans were already shot, I'd play it by ear, and if it felt unsafe, I'd turn around and walk out. So, I drove out to East St Louis. First thing on my arrival, saw about 20 cars in the parking lot, a bad sign to me. Social distancing, mebbe not. Went up to the door, checking out the inside- virtually empty. Turns out there was a private swingers party going on in the curtained area next to the stage- there were only a few bar/stripper customers. Friday night cover of $10, and I'm in the door.
 
First surprise- tho I had a mask, the manager said it was my choice to wear it or not. All the staff had masks; dancers, bartender, manager, owner. Of the half dozen customers, I was the only one masked, an the private party group had no masks also. They had rearranged the tables to provide distancing- instead of sitting up against the bar or the stage, a row of tables was placed next to the bar, and a second row of tables were set up, with chairs set at every other table- providing a comfortable distance between patrons and dancers. Under the circumstances, this seemed pretty effective at spacing, put me at ease that they had put some thought into the arrangement. Unfortunately, not sitting up at the bar means the you have to go stand in line for your drinks- a one-way maze with spacing marks on the floor to go up to the bar station to get drinks. Clear shields in the maze and at the bar kept order. However, if the place were more full, getting drinks may get problematic. As in the past, drinks are no bargain, $6.50 for a bottle of been, but there were specials listed on the bar board.
 
I was not surprised that none of the familiar faces were dancing on Friday night. With it being first night back, there were a half-dozen dances. Talking with them, it seems most had been relatively new hires over the last winter, and laid off in March when things shut. The guys were young, thin twink types, only one being over 23 it seemed. They were expecting some returnees over the next week, but frankly the number of customers would not have supported many more dancers.
As I said, twink was the word of the night, not any muscle, all Caucasian boys. The routine was unchanged- a fifteen-minute all nude dance on the bar or stage, then work the room till next time up. The lap dance areas and private room were also unchanged, except that both the dancer and client were required to be fully masked the whole time in back, and had to lather up with hand sanitizer before going back and upon leaving the booth/private room. Costs were unchanged- $75 for 15 mins lap dance, $200 for 15 mins private room.
 
The guys - while its initially weird watching nekkid guys with their faces covered, you get used to it soon enough.You can't really get close enough to have a conversation, and the mask makes ever harder for us senior citizens, but they're to be watched and tipped, and they find a way to get a foot close enough to you to get the ones and fives in the sock. Two of the guys were standouts in my book- Liam is a blond somewhat-muscled Texan with an ass that was well-formed, and completely hairless ( yes I checked every crack and crevice ), said he'd done some porn in the past and was friends with Brent Corrigan. Interesting conversation and an inspired, athletic lap dance. It's possible he may have been working at Tin Room in Dallas in the past, he seemed oddly familiar to me. My top star of the night was Spencer, an 18 year old thin (28 inch waist) dark-haired chocolate eyed beauty. Friendly and intelligent, he made himself my favorite by remembering the points of conversation after working the room and coming back to chat me up some more. A truly inspired lap dance- I maybe fell a wee bit in lust with this charmer- but yes, he's young enough to be my grandson! There's also a curly- haired blond with a furry bubble but and biggest dick of the night, and one kid who looked to be 15 years old- I'm sure he was legal, but that was hands-off for me!
 
I left at 11:30 - early flight and all. By then there were about 15 customers, might have had room to fit eight to ten more, that's about all. For only a days notice, this was a good experience, but since I'm no longer doing on-site training trips, I'll probably not be returning- if you're already in the area, its worth going across the river, but its not enough on its own for a destination. I wish Bob and the guys the best of luck in keeping the place open, would be a shame to lose this "asset" to the male stripper community

"Brank warned that he would tell people that Burns was gay and paying for an escort if he didn’t pay $500,000 in cash and hand over his $100,000 Audi sports car. Burns quickly followed Brank’s demands, but that only led to Brank wanting more. Brank then demanded that Burns give him Burns’ Los Angeles apartment and $1 million in cash. While Burns agreed, he also called the FBI."
 
I don't want to get wrapped up in gossiping about a person's downfall, because at the end of the day we don't really know the situation as it played out. but this example reeks of White privilege. It sounded like the guy was already making good coin as it is, yet he abused the situation far beyond what was necessary.
 
Yet it seems like the 3rd degree is given when a genuine provider asks for a cancellation fee or deposit: despite the provider already spending money out pocket in anticipation for a booking that may or may not happen.

They do even if they have a trophy husband at home. Why not?
 

 
He paid them more or kept them as exclusive. They were his escorts but call themselves his boyfriend.

I also have a tiered level of service as well. My lowest rate is $150, and my highest is $400. There’s no rich guy, poor guy sliding scale here. It’s just a basic service for an hour, versus a full service for a couple of hours.
 
and the “rich guys don’t need to hire escorts” statement is asinine, but has a slight bit of truth that’s unfounded. I do know that the most “flamboyant” show of wealth guys: don’t always be the ones doing the hiring. I find just your average Honda Accord type of guy, can be your biggest paying client, but the Mercedes Benz dude could be the one asking for $100.

Would this be analogous to segmenting your friends by their monetary value? I don't and treat all my friends the same. So, i don't think escorts would do that. Cash is cash. There have been a few guys that I have tried to hire in the past, but they would cancel last minute citing that another client booked them for the night or something like that. To me, that escort "segmented" his clients based on wealth, or on at least ability to pay.

Hahahaha. Who told you that?! Unless you mean perhaps strictly by the 1/2 hour off of street corners. And even then you might have to simply just adjust for which street corners.

I'm really confused why people seem to think a grown man who I'm sure has had to tell guys twice his weight in real life while naked "no, really, I don't bottom" would be unable to tell a rando he knows only as a name and a phone # "that's a really sweet request, but I don't provide that service" or "I'd be happy to do that, but I'm a professional and only bill in hourly increments." The level of insult to the escort in this thread via condescension and infantilization - some I'm assuming by people who are also escorts - is confounding. I'm just frugal, but apparently he's a eunuch.
 
I haven't escorted for years, but this would have been my calculation: this will take me less than 5 minutes a month and likely get me a loyal client. As long as I get at or above my pro-rated hourly fee, seems like a no-brainer.
 
Re: bad communication my experience is just that a whole lot of escorts are just shit at communication. I've had the same kind of txt conversations with escorts who I know really liked me personally (one of whom would often offer to buy me lunch/dinner off-the-clock after a session).
 
And actually from a game-theoretic point of view he's actually probably playing it right. You never want to be the person to start a bidding process. Maybe the other guy is a fool or just so wealthy he doesn't care about money, and will come up with an insane highball suggestion, to which you can just say "sure".

He offered you nothing, which could also mean he's not interested in this kind of monetization.
 
Perhaps the way you lowballed it, you offended him and he's written you off. I know I would have.
 
 
... And for the record, calling us 'scorts' sounds silly.

Also, invest your money. Put it to work for you by investing in a Low-Cost Mututal Fund.
Fidelity and Vanguard are the 2 best companies to go with in the US, as far as I know.

I've been burned as recently as a month ago for my policy, but like @Armann, I ask for payment at the end. I think this allows everything to run similar to the kind of encounter a client would experience during a regular hookup, minus the obviously necessary business at the end.
 
I also avoid counting the money until I or the client has left. I once had a client get violent when I confronted him about the missing money. Not worth the scuffle. Even if you win, you're still likely to come out with a black eye or a bloody lip and that's not sexy.

I'm quite a verbal top when the bottom gets me into the mood, but I cannot help myself but moan and growl and grunt when I'm getting fucked. I've started filming myself as part of developing content for my OnlyFans and sometimes I can't help but cover my face when I get to moaning.
 
I've found that it's pretty much embarrassing to the person who does the moaning, but other people, especially the person's sex partner tend to get way into it.

It's my practice that the client picks up the receipt, but the cost of a 'regular' hour is not expected. I could've been eating somewhere else, enjoying my private time, but also, likely, enjoying food of a lesser calibur. The trade-off seems quite straightforward to me. They're getting my time by providing me a service I needed anyways - everyone has to eat.
 
Though, I'm not trying to talk shop with my clients about whatever it is they do during dinner - just casual conversation. Were I interested in talking specifics, I'd make it clear that there was no expectation for them to pay for my time or my dinner. The value generated from the conversation would be worth the expense.