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You can always go to Florida to get away from the snow, but no guarantees 🤣

Again, if you want to stay ignorant and ignore the writings on the…wall of facts, that’s on you. And you’re damn right my theory says he played a role. Otherwise the scenario would have never happened. You mean to tell me, someone living in a mansion didn’t have ample security or at least a “safe person” on premise or on call to monitor during these escapades? Don’t use other people’s reading of the thread, to suppress the reality. That’s clownish. Which, I would expect from you 🤣 But regardless I’m going to say it like it appears. Where you are stuck at is: you think everything I’m saying is about him. I’m not talking just about him. The tragedy that happened, happened. It can’t be erased. The judge and jury already sealed his fate. What I’m talking about is the future and the present. And about how many clients and escorts get into these toxic dynamics. They’re never talked about because society prefers to talk about ICE, immigration rights, women’s rights, Black Lives Matter rights: but there’s not enough discussion about sex workers and clients rights. It can be talked about right here, but you hinder progress when you just want to talk about how they don’t look good together, or how the “escort” was a killer and the “client” was 100% innocent and couldn’t have avoided this in any possible way. And like I said in my other thread, and for the 100th time: the dude who killed him was likely schizo, toxic, and should have been avoided. No doubt. But, a person in his right mind (without Pnp or other vices at play), should have picked this up ahead of time. Again, idk what the specifics of the dynamic were, but I can assume the red flags 🚩 were all over.

I know enough about the case to know what dynamic it likely was: and cold blooded murder it doesn’t sound like, especially if 4,000 text messages were exchanged over a period of time. I don’t even need to know all the details because I see it all the fucking time. Also, as I said in my other thread: I know a friend who lives in Detroit, who has been actively following the story and discussed a bit of info on it the other day. The very fact this guy was patronizing Palmer Park to pick up trade, says a lot. I also didn’t say this case had anything to do with those things you related it to, however it still plays a part. What’s wrong with pointing out that the “M4M” community isn’t always wrapped too tight or innocent and could use counseling? Are you saying this whole thing just happened because of ONE person and one person only? I doubt it. I don’t know everything that went down, and YOU don’t know everything that went down either. You don’t know what kind of requests he was making to the “thug boy”. Never will because he took the guilty plea, which avoided lengthy revelations that would probably make E-Files look like a lullaby 🤣 That’s the whole point I’m making. That’s why even we as escorts, screen, use Blacklist apps, etc. That’s why clients have access to reviews and sites like this. Vetting who is allowed into our space is a healthy and important thing to do. Having weird guys off the street who’s “handsome” is not. Edit: and you can keep rolling your eyes but, I know it’s easier to view it as the bad guy/good guy versus accepting that the other party played a role in the scenario as well. When emotional suppression becomes your norm, you’ll find ways to numb. Food. Alcohol. Hustle. Control. “Helping.” Codependency is exhausting. And when you can’t stop giving to others, you’ll often turn to something to soothe what you’re not receiving.

I was talking with my friends who are familiar with Detroit, and they mentioned something about Palmer Park that the Doctor apparently went to pick up another person: https://www.cruisinggays.com/detroit/areas/1205-palmer-park/ Again, not the best way to carry out these things. I would not be bringing tricks from a park to my home, anything that goes down would have to be at a hotel. I’ve been doing that for the past 2 years anyway lol.

Cool your heels…you’re so angry, you’re missing the point entirely. I just made a topic the other day, about how much I dislike people like the perpetrator. And I can go on and on about how stupid he probably is, but then that would assume I’m talking about a “sane” person…which in this case likely not. When I said not casting blame on either side, I was meaning it in a way that was simply saying: I won’t “blame” the doctor for his own fate BUT, I have seen this dynamic play out so many times with other people, ESPECIALLY when it comes down to “younger Black guy/older wealthy White guy” dynamic. You wouldn’t understand what I’m saying, because you haven’t seen the things I’ve seen in the context. I’ve seen it many times: wealthy White guy, keeps a gaggle of young/financially challenged Black men in/out of their homes. He doesn’t necessarily want to “pay for an escort” the proper way, but rather have someone around he can be a daddy to (even if he’s a bottom), and kinda have on 24/7 call. Not quite sugar daddy, but they may have differing views. The problem is some of these “genius” White guys try to “game” the system by seeking someone who’s not too bright, and potentially dangerous. Where giving someone $500 for an all out weekend, sounds better than $1,500 for an overnight. A wealthy guy who is going for someone in his mid 30s, who doesn’t have anything but him to depend on is certainly a 🤨 That said, I don’t know the specifics of this one, however it wouldn’t surprise me.

It certainly feels intentional. The guys act all interested and communicative initially, but then can’t be concerned after the fact. Like they’re afraid to even hint at wanting to be interested in a repeat or steady situation. The other caveat is many clients tend be mostly “unavailable”. Some can rarely meet when I am looking to meet, they can only do so when they can “break away”. I don’t mind making effort to connect with clients, but so many times it seems like, “I can only meet 1 day this WHOLE month.” That’s where I then get tempted to go out, and be open to meet somebody to hookup with. But I regret it if the dude turns out to be a douche 🍼 , and the cycle repeats 😮‍💨 That does happen less when it’s someone I know who knows that person, almost like there’s more accountability.

Leaving content creation out of the subject, lately I’ve had like 2-3 hookups over the past couple weeks. All 3 guys were hot and fun to mess with, but afterwards I found they didn’t seem interested in reconnecting, and basically ghosted off after doing the deed. There also didn’t seem to be any purpose of fucking them, except for getting off. It’s not that I didn’t enjoy it, but it’s more about the lack of wanting to maintain a friendship that I pick up from them afterwards. Almost like I’m just a personified dildo to them 🤣 It’s leading me to think, random hookups becoming pointless when it’s not someone I’ve known thru friends/social networks. Some of these guys I may meet at a nightclub but sometimes it’s from apps too. Though I don’t necessarily go on apps “because I’m horny”. I’m mostly looking to see who’s in the area and potentially find a new friend or client. But so many in the gay scene these days, it’s all about the next best thing they can get ahold of. It does suck because I like to eye a sexy man from time to time, and I like to allow myself a day or 2 of “free time” each week to meet guys outside of clients. But the timing of hookups isn’t always convenient to the timing of client availability: and I like to avoid expending energy on a hookup, and not be able to perform for a planned or unexpected session. Idk what this means or what I can do about it, but ideally I feel I may just reserve non-client sex for guys who I have a friendship or relationship with. At least with clients, even if it’s not a regular thing: there’s payment. But the idea of hooking up with someone who may not even want anything to do with me after, it’s got me feeling like my days of hooking up with “strangers” outside of clients is not fun anymore: it’s work and waste of time. However it’s easier said than done because clients aren’t usually able to maintain a steady or repeat meetups, and the ones who do I often feel tend to be polyamorous. Plus, so many guys out there who are conventionally attractive, don’t pay. Plus I enjoy the cuddling, the conversations, and chats I can’t really get with clients. But so many first date hookups just feel like free appointments, unless you really know the guy/see them regularly thru friends, etc. Any escorts/clients care to share?

I was looking for a topic here that probably discussed this, but couldn’t find it so made a new thread. Thanks for reviving (though I haven’t read this thread yet, and idk if I want to yet lol). Albeit, the way you said it, sounds a bit racist 🤔 That said, stories like this are all too common I feel in the gay/money lifestyle. I knew a (White) friend who I was pretty sure was involuntarily murdered (overdosed) by his married (White) lawyer sugar daddy who they had a volatile relationship with. But the story never hit the news. And the lawyer never got charged or indicted. This happened in Denver, where another friend of a friend was also murdered in a relationship situation (neither were escorts) I have met many doctors in the lifestyle, even one is a current regular. I already gave my suggestions here, however I don’t think it’s just down to someone being a human garbage. The news often only tells SMALL TIDBITS of what actually went down. They don’t know everything, and if they do know: it’s probably why he took the plea deal so the real details wouldn’t be shared public. No blame on either side, but I think if we all knew the true story (which might someday be shown on “true crime” series), it would probably look very different than what the courts and media portray. No doubt, this client may have engaged in a dynamic that allowed this to happen. Especially since it wasn’t a random, one night thing. We just need to start having the conversations, among gay men and in society in general about toxic relationships, sugar daddy situations, etc. Too many damaged people are allowing other damaged people into their lives, and this same fucking narrative plays out over and over again. Time to start speaking up. BLM ✊🏿 did its thing, women’s rights did its thing. It’s time to petition for FREE and routine, gay mental health access. Push it as much as condoms and lube are freely available in gay bars. HIV may be a disease of the immune system, but toxicity and co-dependency is just as much something that needs to be treated as a disease.

Well from the story, it sounds like this doctor was paying this guy for companionship in some form or another. But I did add, idk if it was actually an escort situation…or like I’ve seen before with some situations: a muddy situation where people are playing client/escort but calling it a relationship. Regardless though, it’s still essential things to keep in mind.

Have a (non escort) friend from the Detroit area who told me about the recent update regarding this story (which I wasn’t even aware of, but last time I heard there was another guy in Michigan who killed someone on Grindr, so there’s some weirdos out there it seems) https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/detroit/news/sentencing-devon-hoover-murder-case-desmond-burks/ For one, I will never understand people like the Versace case, who bite 🐷 the hands that feed them. It’s like, undiagnosed mental Issues aside: it’s always a stupid proposition to think 🚷 a “client” (though some of these situations I don’t really know if I can quantify as such) is a boss move. You already have everything in front of you to work with, why fuck up a whole enterprise for yourself and others in the process. That said, I’ve always been used to being extra secure about dealing in cities like Detroit, Chicago, L.A., Miami, Vegas, New York, etc. All of those are considered “high risk” cities. No matter if you’re rich or not, you have to be careful who you allow into or going into someone’s space. The top ways of doing so: 1) Limit or Abstain from PnP while doing business all together. Most every left “M4M” situation I’ve had, has been linked to someone partying/pnp. Especially if you don’t know the person but, even if you do. I never have, but even being tipsy can be tricky. 2) Screen. Screen. Screen. Not exchanging numbers may not always be dangerous but if something/someone turned up missing accidentally or purposely, no way to really find out. 3) Go for reputable guys. Apps not designed for escorting, cruising spots, bathhouse randoms…are all high risk. Not saying one can’t but, use greater common sense than what is expected. Overall, I imagine this may impact the scene in Detroit for the trade. But my most recent visit to the area back in January ‘25, I didn’t feel it was worth a repeat trip back. Even though I’ve gone a few times in the past, not my favorite market though.

It used to at one point have “erotic listed”. I now only use the sensual and therapeutic feature. Though I’ll use deep occasionally, for the tier level function

I think gnats have better attention spans. Have you ever seen how they elude getting picked up in a glass of wine 🤣 That said, I try not to take it personal: but it makes me less prone to respond to messages where guys ask, “Are you available today/now or “you around tonight”. I did speak to a client the other week, and he mentioned how there are “flakes” on RM. Though he didn’t just refer to age.

…. At least have the courtesy of responding back or following back up if you stop responding. It’s bad enough when it’s just a freebie hookup, but when you’re also expecting reliable behavior with money: it’s very disrespectful. What’s worse, why do some of the same guys come around: just to play games again after they ghosted the last time. I don’t like to block (or add them to the bad list) wily nilly, but I think some people ask for it. As this google search shows, they just aren’t capable of mature interactions when it comes down to other gays:

So the better way to handle this, is to simply say: “I would like the sensual/therapeutic/deep tissue/etc etc. appointment on your ad for $XXX. That’s vastly different from asking, “hey XXX, what’s your rate? Or “how much?” (This is exactly how many of them come at us). That’s where the issue comes in. I dislike comparing escort/masseur services to food, but imagine if someone asked the price for something this: “ummm how much is the mushroom burger?” ”ummm, how much is the calamari?”

Escort standpoint here… I am glad to finally have a full beard, as I was a “late bloomer” who barely even had facial hair until I was like 21. But even as I got into my late 20s/early 30s I still couldn’t really have a full one. For me, I cannot have a shaved face. I am Black and mixed so, my hair tends to curl into my skin when it’s below a certain length (ingrown). It used to be worse in my early 20s, with ingrowns on my face and neck area. Once I started rocking the beard, that pretty much went away, although the occasional ingrown will develop under the neck or beard line. I actually developed a rather large abscess under my neck, from an ingrown too deep to pull out with tweezers. It’s gone down a bit but, it was tender and painful. That said, some guys look good with or without beards, others with a beard or without a beard. I always admire the Rock, who has sported the clean shaven face for years. But I also admire Jordan peele who is now rocking a beard:

I didn’t get this when I was 25, but now I’m 38 I can say so. It tends to make me 🤨 when someone thinks guys are too old to escort after 35. And I even see many guys posting their age as under 30, for years. Though I don’t necessarily seek out trying to hookup round the clock, it’s less to do with libido and more to do with preserving my time and energy for paying clients or discerning men. But my desire and libido hasn’t gone south by any means.

Or it can just be somewhat the same. Some people like familiarity. Doesn’t necessarily mean doing cartwheels 🤸🏾‍♂️ in the bed to keep it interesting.

Keep in mind too: just because someone has regulars doesn’t mean they aren’t still looking. One doesn’t necessarily need to stick with one guy exclusively, unless that’s sufficient for a guy when booking RMs. One of my regulars, has like 2 other regulars lol. I’m more of his companion when he’s visiting certain cities away from his home town. But we’ve had some good 🦆ucks over the times we’ve met.

I find subsequent sessions always get better with time. The first time is like exploring new territory, it may be good but both guys are not familiar with each other yet. There’s a difference between feeling out how to pleasure someone the first time, versus already anticipating that you know it’ll be good on the next visits.

I’ve heard of this before with me, I don’t feel it’s anything to be upended about. It’s an open platform, people are going to ask around.

You know I gotta fact check you 😉 Coming from Florida and Texas: Chicago IS expensive. Maybe not the deeper suburbs in Illinois, but those are also expansive. And you still pay a lot in tolls. I once had a $35 toll bill, and I didn’t even fucking go to Chicago. I drove around the outer burbs but it still cost a lot and I didn’t even know how much I was being billed because they have it all Bill by plate now. Also gas there is more expensive, taxes etc.

Either that or, you looked like muni long in drag and the provider was gay for pay: But in reality he’s hetero/pan flexible or whatever it’s called in 2026: 🤭

I never said, YOU said your word is law. You only named 1 person, out of a city with HUNDREDS if not thousands of escorts. Even if many do charge $1,000: #1 doesn’t mean everybody going to pay and #2 there’s still ample conversation I’ve found otherwise of that. Point in case: This isn’t me speaking but someone else. However I’ve done the Los Angeles circuit and I know for a fact, most of the bookings I’ve got in that area cap at $300 the hour. And it’s hard to even get that at all because there’s 50 million escorts in Los Angeles as it is. The exception may exist but I’m talking across the board…

This is another case of: fact check it versus throwing out anecdotes. Los Angeles is a expansive market, and the amount of sex workers make it to where I can be hard to reach that $1,000 an hour bracket, unless a person is fairly established and has a client that is able to arrange that.

I just had lobster tail today, grilled…like popular in the Keys. Yum As for the rest, I recently noticed: Lobster tail is not pre cooked when you buy them. Whole lobster is precooked, unless you buy it live. Something with the toxins or texture that determines how it’s prepared when it’s caught.