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Megapersonals Adam4Adam Mint Boys RentMasseur though most of those aren’t great in terms of catching gay escort clients, one can still finesse it if done properly. Even on RentMasseur, I don’t claim to be a “masseur” (so I’m not showing up with a table to your hotel, it’s not that kinda party), I’m a “relaxation consultant”. But, one needs to at least know some fundamental massage techniques to be consistent with it. Otherwise: I’m not too pressed about the changes. If someone feels they can’t get clients unless they show their dick and butthole: they probably need to look within and figure out what they can do otherwise. It’s not required, believe me. Don’t sell yourself short feeling you have to show the goods for free, to attract a client. Men biologically like a bit of mystery. I know gay men are wired a little differently (actually it’s women who are wired differently, that make straight men willing to wait 3 dates, or 90 days/after marriage to have sex lol). However, people should be willing to pay or at the very least, be a vetted client to see nude pics. Too many people are spoiled getting to look at free porn, free dick pics, etc. idk if RentM change had much to do with that, and I even notice flaccid “artistic nudes” are still being allowed. I worked with a nude Calendar company and they had a rule: your dick can’t be hard because that falls under pornography, and it will disqualify our fundraising mission (or something to that effect). So yeah: it is what it is. Personally I like the new change, it inspired me to go thru my 3,500 pics and replace some great professional photos that I haven’t posted in awhile lol. They aren’t nude, but just “sexy”. However, I still need to see us profiting from nude pic views. The work is only half done…

Well, idk I just don’t think it’s going to necessarily be a huge blow. I mean: I get booked on RentMasseur probably more than, if not the same as RentMen, at least in my region. RentMen in some markets has just become a lot of amateurs showing nudity, almost giving it a trashy look. I used to really be proponent of allowing the nudes but: considering the fact that my pictures on RentM were more inclusive than RentMasseur, and people were still hitting me up saying they seen me on RentMasseur (though I think some may say that as an euphemism to just saying RentMen…) Especially since many will say, “I seen you on Rent, or I seen you on RM” well which RentM did you see me on, so I know which one! lol. Thing with RentMasseur: seems many of the ones contacting, don’t read the profile tabs. Rates are allowed, yet there’s steadily people contacting asking how much. And the requests are often vague. At the same time, RentMen hasn’t been getting me the level of bookings I was used to. Seems the serious hiring from there, has really dropped off since the start of summer. That’s why it’s always good to be 1 step ahead of the platform. I already have my website and biz cards, so if ever something changes again: I have a backup source. And if I didn’t have that, I’d be using other strategies.

Whoa: let’s backup some. 🎥 rewind ⏪ the 💿 DVD. Based on what you’re saying: you enjoy live porn. And what do the performers do to you while you watch video porn? Nothing. Your pleasure is via the viewing of it, and the pleasuring of yourself. There’s no reason you should feel annoyed or offended by something that: you generally would be happy to engage in, and have no control over: on screen. Just basic understanding here. Now, if you’re talking about an actual 3som situation that you conveyed would be all participating: (not just watch: and if not, leave “Watch” out the expectations entirely) then there should be a conversation about expectations involved. Either it’s going to be 2 on 1, or 1 on 3, or flip flop between the 3. It should be discussed. I’ve learned not to look at the “who’s hotter” or getting the most fun out of a 3 way, and just enjoy it. This is the one situation where you can get away with being a little selfish: do what you want to do, or walk away if you feel you got your fill. You won’t be leaving anyone hanging, per say. Also if hiring two escorts that you don’t know, there’s higher chance that it could go down that way. You’re probably better going with a guy or escort you know, and then including a 3 party. I’ve even been in situations where I was the only escort in a 3 way situation, but the client had his fun buddy or whatever. Long as you have at least one trustful guy, it could help lessen that chance of hiring two hot guys who are just going to go at it, and push you aside.

I actually have a handful of videos from a large collection that a client passed on: and a couple of them are not “porn”, but of muscular 🏋dudes just showing off at various events and such. and I know for sure, clients get quite tantalized when I flex a 💪🏾 here and there 😆

I’m not a fan nor have a particular phobia of clowns (though I couldn’t watch IT movie alone, and another on Netflix that was terrifying) but: you’re giving the right language, in an understanding tone. Definitely giving a benevolent, Ronald McDonald 🤡 🍔 vibes right now 😀

on a serious note though: I would actually say: you said it all backwards lol. First, one needs to know services and rate (listed on ad and website for those who skip reading and go straight to phone number). Then #2: client/provider can suggest an appropriate date. That way, we can at least get on the same page regarding how soon a visit is expected. If you’re trying to do a next day/same day booking: deposit is going to be suggested during/after the next step: #3: once you figure out day, location can be discussed. This gives chance for both parties to figure out how long it’ll take. Note: you don’t just text someone and say “hey where are you?” Putting the 🛒 before the 🐎 is not good etiquette. And before I even give my location: a deposit is going to be asked. This is for safety and privacy reasons. #4: Then a time can be arranged. Suggesting a time before those mentions could lead to premature expectations. That’s why like I said before: I don’t always throw a time at clients the minute they demand it. Slow your roll, homie. Let’s get the basics out the way first, then we can settle on a time frame. And it might not be right away, if you waited until the last minute from the get go. Like I’ve said before: I’m not the broken leg doctor, or AAA, or the tire repair you had no idea was going to happen. In those cases yes: it’s last minute, emergency, had no idea: requires immediate attention. But this is an intimate, luxury experience. Aka: date. People have to be a bit more courteous with these things.

For one, I’ve found iPhone typing to regular distort sentences at random. I’ve noticed this a few updates ago, so some things come out sounding much different than intended. That said: The Deposit fears can easily be solved by reading a provider’s reviews and ad. Seeing how long they’ve been on the site. Asking questions or asking for alternatives. The issue is, some people clearly don’t read ads, to their detriment and my annoyance. If they did, they would see the positive reviews, along with me mentioning deposit in my ad, on my website and even a FAQ section that further explains that. If somebody has been hiring for 20 years, he should also know how to read a profile. So at that point, conversation over because: he’s probably sending out mass messages and probably not reliable one way or another. And as far as getting burnt, I’ve explained this in a different forum:

I know some have said they want to hear some good word for a change from me, well here it goes: next day: Notice: there was no arguing or awkward silences when I asked for deposit. Issue is: some people do just the opposite. Appointment request comes thru, everything seems on track, ask for a deposit: no response. Or some entitled story about how they never paid one and been hiring for 20 years etc etc. And this guy has been scammed before. But he understood: it had nothing to do with me. At all. Real recognize real. No drama necessary. Here’s an example of a bad ☹️ booking request: The word “Never” is mentioned twice, then made to feel gaslit and unappreciated. Who has time for all that? I’m trying to provide relaxation and an experience. Yet I’m having to explain what I already explained in my ad: something I sit and spend hours perfecting to ensure everybody understands.

Hmm, nostalgic for sure but: I doubt it. I wasn’t really “in the industry” during those days, but I used to like reading hot spots in Miami and seeing the escort/masseur pages. I used to think nothing of it at the time, but didn’t cross my mind that I’d actually be doing it some day. Plus I don’t want to go backwards. These days we have better screening, deposits, etc. As for RentMen: I think they deserve some grace. They’ve done a lot for us. They are the first M4M site to ever come out with “client profiles” (actually adam4adam/gay.com did before that but…as far as designated escort sites goes). They’ve also done things for me that other sites wouldn’t, and I feel they have done way more than what RentBoy used to do (anybody recall having to place ads in other cities and paying extra $20 to do so?) Overall, I’ve also had my concerns with the platform. Namely what I’ve mentioned earlier.

Right, and by all means I’m not thrilled about the decision. In fact, what had stopped me from removing all my nudes is: I try to think about how porn has done it for years: you go to a bookstore, browse DVDs, and you can see lots of dick and ass action on the back cover. Definitely gets the juices flowing. And online sites have put out free previews and such, and I even have that on my site as well: for members who sign up. They don’t even have to pay, just sign up and if they want the full versions, they can do the payment part. But I’m just saying, if it is going to be the normal: there may be some silver lining to it, however it doesn’t sound like they’ve revealed that yet. I’ve been one to suggest to them in the past: maybe use our private gallery be a way to get paid either monetary or “points” towards the fee we pay for platinum boosts and memberships. I stopped unlocking my private pics couple years ago, and recently just got rid of the whole gallery and put it all on the public: the ones I want to display, and then the others in premium. I don’t mind people seeing the goods but, there’s just has to be a point and honest observation that: maybe some people don’t want to show all their goods for free. I’ve seen escorts, some who have even been hired side by side with me in 3som situations…with me who showed dick pics. So it’s almost like: how is fair for the same guy to advertise no dick pics and get hired by the same client who saw mine for free? That’s not a question but rather: it’s a fact. It should be equal level playing field. Of course I don’t know what providers may do in their private conservations, maybe they send out Dick pics over phone or whatever. I think with men4rent it was more than one thing though right? Like they took off rates, and raise their ad price exorbitantly (at one point $49.99 for 10 days platinum). Then it seemed like scam clients were getting in and emailing us fake booking requests, and it just didn’t seem like they wanted to do much innovation from when they started since 2003 or whatever. It was sad to see them go, and they were getting me the most bookings of of the sites. But they voluntarily closed after the RentBoy raid. They could have still been around today if they wanted to.

This may come off as unpopular opinion but: I think we should embrace this change to an extent. I’ve lamented before that, it’s time out for non clients getting free material and nudes. (clients are people who show up and pay, shoppers are those who are just inquiring). These same guys look at the content, but may never end up being a client or worse, pretend to be interested in hiring only to fall thru. So not only getting free nudes, but free use of time and giving nothing in return. Even if they have seen other providers in the past, they shouldn’t have a free pass to “size us up”, metaphorically speaking, before providing any form of payment. Think about how Grindr, Scruff and others have swept online gay hookups by storm, and non of those allow open nude pics. Think of Instagram and the likes where there’s already so much “content” that isn’t nude. Even at a bathhouse, you can’t always walk around naked for all to see. You have to at least make the commitment to approach/get that person back to your bed, or steam room bench, etc. I’m already a step ahead with the website thing, as I been putting my content for pay for awhile. However I can understand nobody wants to be made to feel the “have to” abide by a set of rules, especially when it comes without a survey from the providers using the site. My take may be: they may be needing it as protective measure of sorts. Maybe they have plans to evolve the site into something more compensated based for the providers. And then you have the Rent.Men app and messenger which, technically may come with some restrictions to content. But like I said as the last word in my other thread: people need to be willing to fight for us, and each other. And that’s not physical violence I’m talking. But moreso: contacting credit card companies, contacting Apple, doing regular protests in cities, etc. It has to start somewhere.

Good point, and also just to quote @marylander1940: by no means is Vin’s body not like one of the best out there: but, you don’t just have to be a bodybuilder to see an advantage. Even just having a fit gym body should still catapult someone into where they want to be. I was just talking to a client last night, he was explaining how the regional gays are all super closeted and religious and only want to fuck twink boy types under 25. So: definitely not the market I fall under. So by no means does that mean someone should “get outta the business”. But moreso, get into a market that’s more productive.

Well in my case, I never ask lol. But I think the thing with the bigger markets is; before you get there it’s already plenty of providers who may have regulars or been seen by the client before one gets a chance to. That’s not to say I avoid big markets entirely or don’t meet anyone when I go: but I know it could take longer to find a client, and if visiting only a couple or so days that might not be enough time. Thats why San Diego earlier this year was the first time I had more than 1 client. Previous trips I had 0 or only 1. But when I got to stay for 2-3 weeks: I met up with 4. That’s why I’d see how @Vin_Marco is at advantage by default because: if you can live around those big markets regularly and catch the locals and travelers coming in: you’re set for the right direction. Issue is, not everyone has the stepping stone to be able to set up shop in a major city. I have mixed experiences. Where I live part time is only a few hours from the area. I haven’t been out there now in a couple years. It’s another crowded market with lots of traffic and also expensive overheads so: I tend to only go once in a blue. Not common, not for me at least. But I may could see a couple extra $$$ for travel/hosting. But having been to rural Wisconsin regularly over the years: people don’t have the money out there to pay that much for couple hours. For an overnight, potentially. I think a lot of people would go to Vancouver and Toronto. There’s also Calgary and Edmonton but, I don’t know if anyone personally who’s made it up there.

Are you now descending to using racial slurs to get leverage? Should I just go ahead and report that? Because I can do that too… It’s not the occupation, I’m certainly getting pleased. Just because I talk about an issue, doesn’t imply unhappiness or incompetence. People have to step away from this thinking that someone wanting better treatment, equates to not liking what they do. You see it all the time with teachers, in schools, even companies like manufacturing. Flight attendants just as all. Sex work is the only industry, where people don’t want to fight for us. Hell, we don’t even want to fight for each other. It’s very clear even on here, you guys don’t even acknowledge the issue exist. You sweep it under the rug, try to shame and embarrass, while others devil advocate situations and deny the underlying reasons.

Well perhaps inquire, and see what the response is. Might be the same or different than what you have in mind.

You’re right. I was a contributor and did gas light myself. Next time I’ll just get a deposit, and not 2nd guess myself into believing 🚮 is anything other than 🚮. No matter how much he’s “dreaming of meeting me”. Now, can we just settle this and ✌deuces, please?

Well that goes along with what I mentioned earlier about cities being better or worse depending on: no reason at all. I remember I had a bad trip to SF when “someone“ first got elected back in 2016. The city was in protest, and nobody came out to play. I think I had only one or 2 clients, maybe even one flaked. If that was my first trip, I’d have a bad impression. But having gone prior, I knew it was just a one off thing. Though annoying because I only do that trip once every 2-3 years. My last visit in 2022 was better. Also be aware: just because someone visits a city doesn’t mean it’s solely for appointments. For example, I have to come back to my home market regularly because: my life and relatives are here. If it wasn’t for that, I would have 86’d Kansas City/St. Louis off my travels long time ago. Waiting around for days to get a booking is not my speed at all. When I’m in touring mode, I normally don’t give a city more than a day or 2 to book. If no clients by day 2, at noon: Next ✌

Ah okay, great. Yeah having clients who can host and are regulars can be of benefit. And Palm Springs/Los Angeles and SD are all within a Tank away (though still not cheap at $6 a gallon if that’s what it is out there).

Great list, I started to do the same. Curious about when you say you don’t advertise there: are these regular/former clients you refer to, where you used to advertise? I know all those cities you mentioned are big markets. I’m surprised you didn’t say Miami/Ft. Lauderdale, Chicago, Seattle, or Las Vegas. I know for me, I don’t always seem to get the hits in those bigger cities. But like @Shawn Monroe mentioned, sometimes as a black provider, it matters where I go. After spending 2-3 weeks in San Diego earlier this year, I found Los Angeles to be too overcrowded. Lots of Black providers with big dicks. San Diego was better, but I had to advertise there for a whole week before I got my first client, and then I had 3 back to back. 0 to $1,000 in no time lol. Palm Springs, I tried to go but all the hotels were $200-$400 a night. I started to post up in the nearby casinos, but I was running out of time. I find I do best in; smaller enclave cities that aren’t so frequented. Tucson in Arizona, Santa Fe in New México, Oklahoma (though it’s not as busy like it used to be when I would go years show), Salt Lake City; Boise, Idaho… Even when I lived in Florida: I would skip the usual Miami/Wilton Manors and go for Naples, Sarasota, St. Augustine, even north central Florida. So many people go to the big cities, and only the biggest muscle guys and dicks can make it in those lol.

I get where you’re coming from, I could have suggested a meeting time instead. But I guarantee you: he would have said, “that’s too late for me, let’s plan for another time”. And then not get back to me until 2 years later. Just like he did back in 2021. However, I did give him an approximate arrival expectation when I said: I’m on my way in 15 minutes, and it’s a 50 minute ride to his location. So there was in no way he could have been “stewing with uncertainty” like you implied. On top of that, he was already getting a discount, so to cancel when I’m already in route: was plain and simple: an asshole move. We can nitpick small clues to defend his childish and inconsiderate actions. But all that’s doing is making it seem like I’m responsible for someone’s lack of consideration. And that, I’m not ☝️ If he needed a specific time, he could have suggested that. And like I said: he wasn’t in hurry to do so, until the morning of. So…that’s on him. 100%.

That’s a good point you made, I actually want to go back to that in regards to what a fellow poster mentioned: I don’t think I appropriately addressed this earlier, but I’ll go over it again. I did not leave him stewing in impatience and uncertainty, and I also don’t do that to clients either. I think you misinterpreted the message that was posted. What I did do: is tell him upfront, I can follow back up shortly and provide a time of arrival. As I did not want to do that prematurely and make sure I got the timing right. He was not on my schedule that day. 11:30-1 pm on a Sunday: it’s expected most people are either recovering from the Saturday night out prior, or are doing other things like church, brunch, yard work, catching sales, etc. it’s a Sunday. That’s what people do. However, he had no basis to suddenly assume I would be able to instantly push aside everything I was currently engaged in BEFORE he contacted me. He did not earn that privilege. He never sent me a deposit the day prior, he never even mentioned he wanted to meet on Sunday the night prior, and then he specifically implied he PREFERRED to meet “today” (Sunday), which means he should have been willing to give the necessary time for me to accommodate. Reason why, is because: the day prior he was messaging me on adam4adam, and this is the language he was giving me: Now @Simon Suraci: do you see anywhere in that message that gives a sense of urgency on his part? Nothing. Then the next day I’m getting: So, why all of a sudden I have to stop, drop and roll for him? I had to already lead him to water, and make him drink. All I was doing, is getting him to first text and confirm: I do not set ANY TIMES ON ADAM. Period. That’s not an appointment request. Appointment request doesn’t start until I receive text message. That’s for any website. I don’t think it was accurate to make it seem like I kept him waiting and was indecisive. And I was a bit offended by that, to be honest. No, he hit me up at the last minute on the day of. I already know from experience with a lot of gay men and dealing with sex: they are NEVER available as fast as I want them to be. I know that for a fact. So I’ve learned to just have patience and understanding. Nobody is going to drop their life for me, so…where’s this expectations that I have to do the same? 90% of these clients are never available when I reach out to them, but meanwhile I have to basically had to leave my sick grandmother’s bedside to meet 2 clients years ago. And one even had the nerve to say, “if you’re not here by 10, just cancel”. And this was after I drove from Fort Lauderdale to Tampa. What a fucking bitch of a client now that I look back. So rude. And @BenjaminNicholas is right. Some of that is due to just being a Black gay sex worker. They expect super-hero powers: hard dick, fast arrival, no deposit…because we’re all broke and scammers and need money, stereotypical speaking. And @Monarchy79and @pubic_assistance need to stop spreading that false propaganda making it seem like I’m the reason and fault for everything that I encounter. No, it’s not. I don’t give a fuck how much you don’t like it, don’t want to hear or don’t believe it. I will keep talking about it over, and over, and over, and over again until either one of you say: I understand. I emphasize. I see your point of view and realize it’s NOT YOU, it’s them. The reason why I’m posting all these messages, is to show that these things I talk about are reality, and nobody can gaslight that existence. Sometimes it’s just hard to say: There are some people, some gay men online, in this country: they’re cheap, they waste sex workers time, they don’t respect them. And they are a problem for our business. We need to discuss this and do something about it. Was that so hard?

Again: also only giving you 5 seconds to scan your post too because: your posts towards me are always nasty anyway. We’ve been there before… But you sound foolish because, I simply addressed a statement another provider asked about. #1 you were not being addressed by @BenjaminNicholas and #2 I did not inquire your input in that response either. Now, if you can’t handle a discussion that includes certain factors that contribute to certain behaviors: You can leave too. You are so motivated to say stuff to get me to try and run off. It’s not going to work with me, honey. We already settled long time ago: we will not see eye to eye on certain discussions. And that’s okay…But don’t keep coming around trying to project your opinion about me, where it’s not necessary.

Thanks much. No you weren’t insensitive, just giving your viewpoint. Especially compared to some of the other stuff I’ve had to respond to. At the moment I just sent out cancellation fee request to someone who said he wanted to book me for Thursday 1.5-2 hour session. Claims he never confirmed. Also has: 10 reports, only 2 positive. Then has the audacity to claim he’s been hiring 20 years and never paid a deposit. Why wouldn’t I? 🤦🏾‍♂️ Definitely, I was trying to use it in a way that implied “widespread occurrence” of something. Versus the actual medical definition. But you’re right, it is. With the particular person in the original post: he reached out the day prior, but he didn’t text me to request a time until the following day. He wanted to rush me to hurry up and figure out a time for him, but there was nothing signifying that I was expecting him to meet that day. That’s why I told him, I would return back to him an approximate time. Which I did, but he couldn’t even be patient enough for me to arrive. It’s just very frustrating dealing with so many of these type of people in my area. Like I’ve literally been home from tour for a week, and haven’t had one serious client book. Yet I’ve had 3 people who lied about wanting to book. I don’t even need to have anyone tell me what I need to do, go thru this shit all the time: I want to leave. Leave the state or leave the business. It’s depressing, and I’m not doing anything differently from when I meet reliable clients who don’t flake, don’t argue about deposits, and write nice reviews to my page. These other people don’t read ads, yet claim they been hiring for years. Well how have you been hiring for years, but fail to be able to read an ad? They tell me something they don’t want to do, that’s specifically mentioned FIRST LINE, in my ad. Do they just click my profile and go straight to my number, why would they think that’s a smart thing to do?

By the way: just imagine, what it would be like to have to reside in a market like that. Haven’t been to Montreal so can’t speak on it specifically…but imagine having to experience that all the time. It can do real damage to your biz and patience over time. And it’s easy to be gaslit into believing, you’re not cut out for the biz. I know you spent 3 days there, how far in advance did you post up before arriving? Sometimes it can take advertising for weeks to get the right bookings. That’s why sometimes it can be hard to explain to perspectives in other cities, I’m not there yet. I have to survey the crowd from a distance, before I just up and go someplace.

That’s what I’m hoping and praying on. I’ve also just happened to purchase two vehicles, both in October over the past few years: so that’s definitely a pattern of hope 🤞🏾