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Well every person I know that I show up at the last minute, tells me “next time give me some more notice and I can plan”. So don’t give me some bullshit anecdotes about all these other escorts you know. If you want me to see the glass how you want me to see it, you can’t just talk about what someone else is doing and expect me to fall in line with it…when you don’t even know what I’m referring to. If I have a Dr. appointment or some other apppintment scheduled 2 weeks in advance, do you think I’m supposed to just “decide whether I want to see the client” instead? All of my current favorite regulars, are all guys who have been willing to book in advance. Even if I initially booked them the same day, long as they show a willingness to reserve a day or more ahead I’ll keep seeing them.

Goodbye. Obviously you don’t want or need to understand why everyone does not operate on the same level, so you may escort yourself from this conversation. There is no “complaint about someone hiring them” and then to trivialize “on my way out to do something” being something I should drop to see a client, goes to show the type of ignorant and self centered mentality people like you have. What I want to see, is people like you: drop what they’re doing to see me. And see how they feel about it. Guaranteed they won’t because last week, I had a client tell me when I offered him a same day booking (the next day)…”oh I already made plans”. Okay fine, you don’t want to drop your plans for me so don’t expect me to do the same! Yes I am also grateful for clients who book and hire me. But, the best way to go about it is to find a mutually convenient time. Even if that does have to be 2 or 24 hours from now. The type of work we do is very personalized. I’ve done the same-day appointments for years. Don’t forget I been in the industry awhile. I’ve done same day, right now, hell I’ve done: walk right past me and let’s fuck right now. But as a matured escort, I’ve come to realize not everything is about money. Money comes and go, but the same way they can plan other things in their lives with other people: I want that same courtesy.

#1 don’t compare me to “many escorts” who I have no relation to or cannot verify even exist. First of all. 2nd, it means nothing to me. Those other escorts could be doing more than just “viagra and some water” and to assume that’s all it takes, shows you may not understand the facts of what’s really involved. It has nothing to do with getting hard. Even when I have offered and been available “right now” to clients, it’s not always as convenient and easy as it seems. Keep in mind, most don’t know where they are going “in 30 minutes”. It’s often very rushed and even if it is a good experience, I may have flaked or pushed back on plans I had. And you won’t believe it but, the same day “right now” calls tend to come at the precise moment I’m getting ready to walk out the door to do something else. And if the tables were turned and I tried to get them to meet right away, guarantee you they would say, “oh I’m busy”.

As far as I know, they don’t exist outside of major metros. At least here in the U.S. I can see it in New York or San Fran but, most hotels don’t want to rent a room out for an hour and then not have it clean for a full night stay. So I probably wouldn’t save any money doing that anyway because they would likely charge the same as a good rate from Priceline or something. However I am familiar with DayUse hotels. The problem is, sometimes when I’m visiting a city, I need a place to stay anyway. And even if I’m staying with friends, sometimes I need the WHOLE day/night to myself before and after client lol. I’ve done dayuse a couple of times, but they aren’t offered in all cities and in order to do so, I need to be able to have a main place to stay at. The problem comes when, I’m not set up to host but some guys are just like, “can I come over NOW”. Like ummm, no. There was no expectation of an appointment. Just because my ad says “available now” does not mean “I’m hosting and you can come over now”. It’s just simply saying: I can be available to meet today, if we can agree on a time, rate and place. Doesn’t mean they can come over right now. Perfect points, my dude 🫱🏾‍🫲🏻 I’m surprised you never need to spend on hotels lol. I’ve been platinum or diamond tier with at-least 1 or 2 brands every year. However, my hotel nights have dropped a lot, because I try to stay with friends as much as I can when I travel. But the caveat to that, non of them allow me to host (nor would I really feel right about that) so I still have to plan hosting accordingly. However, that’s also why I require deposits. Most clients don’t want to host, or don’t want to book a room. So the best compromise is doing a deposit. That’s why it disgusts me when guys on here, parade such stupid and ignorant rhetoric about never sending deposits. It’s like HELLO 🔔, all of us are having to also spend money upfront as well. From the very get go, we have to spend money to post on RentMen, with no assurance or timeline of when a client will book. I also assume by “streets”, you mean gay bars/events or hotel bars possibly. I wouldn’t feel right doing actual streets lol.

I just hope everyone encouraging no deposits, is also willing to be on call with money to give in the event a provider travels to a city with no deposits…and everyone flakes out on their booking. It can and does happen. And with the price of things now, anticipating going up even more: I don’t think a sweeping advice about not providing deposits is exactly conducive to encouraging providers to shoulder the risks and costs of travel and accommodations.

That’s unfortunate, however I do feel the “gay society” has often sought masseurs over escorts in some cities. And it seems like the portrait of a well to do escort, who does it like the porn movies, doesn’t exist in many areas. It’s why I still keep up a RentMasseur profile along with my RM, although sometimes clients see me on both. However I do have 2 separate masseur/entertainer prices. I do cringe when I hear someone every so often, talk about so and so who does such and such for $80 including a massage. That’s just not sustainable for everyone, and the guys who do that usually doing this as a bonus on the side…and usually don’t travel outside of their neighborhood. If they did, they’d quickly see how exhausting it is to play and massage for $80, 5 different guys a day…when they could just do $300/400 and make the same 😆

Huh? First of all, I wasn’t talking about what he was talking about. I was saying, based on the ORIGINAL thread posted…LA does NOT sound like he’s referencing Louisiana (LA is the abbreviated state name of it but that doesn’t seem like that’s what we’re discussing) or New Orleans. Common sense would say, L.A. the city is one of the more expensive places between there and Louisiana. So critical thinking would say he’s talking about Los Angeles. Don’t be petty and find an argument where there wasn’t one ✋🏾

I have an active thread on same day appointments, but my last response explains why it is not always productive: but it doesn’t mean I’m “upset” about it. However, some people ALWAYS expect a same day booking. Sometimes it’s the same ones as well. You’re coming from a place that is viewing the industry “like a Grindr profile”. It isn’t nor was it ever. Even when I first started around 2008, most all my best bookings were requested a day or 2 or longer ahead. I used to often run out for same day appointments, because I didn’t know better. I also used to accept guys asking for discounts, for same day appointments at that. Nowadays, I would never. It’s extra, not less. But having an attitude like, “sometimes I am, sometimes I’m not” isn’t going to put any value on it. As for for deposits for incalls: being that I have to spend extra money to host sessions, typically in a hotel set up (I stopped offering bookings from home couple years ago) I do need a deposit for that. If they don’t show, I’m out of the money for it. Many people outside the industry think, “just do outcalls”. But they don’t understand that a large percentage of clients aren’t going to book a room solely for the purpose of a session. I just spent some time up north, and I had to host 4 clients, reserving accommodations each time. Many of them would rather send me a deposit (one even dropped the deposit off to me in cash…) than to book a hotel room for our time. It’s not over complicating by any means, it’s just years of experience has showed me what works, and what is stupid and foolish as all fuck. And couple years ago I booked a Sheraton Hotel for 2 different clients, SAME DAY NOTICE without a deposit: THEY BOTH flaked out on the same day. One even mocked me, saying: “I didn’t tell you to book a hotel room”. He tried to rebook for an outcall later on and flaked again, I was like…you can send the cancellation fee or I’ll come and get it personally myself 😆 Way too many idiots and time-wasters ESPECIALLY in the Midwest, but they’re everywhere. I won’t go back to working without a deposit whether it’s host/travel or a combination of the 2.

LA = Los Angeles? I’d think anyone talking Louisiana would be saying Nola or Orleans.

Like I said, every year it needs a reboot and to be discussed again, to touch on new points 🤣 It’s not that I don’t want to hear thoughts and advice, it’s just that I rather not have to always decide whether to keep plans with friends/family (or even myself) or flake on them to take a client last minute. But as a low volume provider (aka someone who doesn’t have dudes coming and going all hours of the day -or- running out for every “u available now” request) I get: I also don’t missing out on money because I don’t always have the choice to cancel such plans. Last year was one example of why I don’t like same day bookings: I accepted a date IN ADVANCE from someone I liked who wasn’t a client, but as it always happens a client hit me up earlier in the day, but he was MIA all afternoon and waited hours to finally say, “I can send the Venmo deposit now”. By that point I had already told the other guy I was on my way. I ended up turning down $450, but the price of integrity is even more. That’s true and I know it’s a dilemma. However, I also feel sometimes these guys get “flaked on” by another escort for whatever reason, and then try to make a last minute move (like the one guy recently who talked about deposits). Thats why I feel the game can really use a reinvention. I can’t think of it right now but, something better than just being on the fringes never knowing when a same day appointment may come thru. Or: like some do…

No idea who you are referring to but, not sure that has anything to do with same day/available now appointments. If and when you do have something relevant to say about that, you can continue.

Read the context: “People are willing to hook up for free and with no phone number, it’s become super trashy🚮, and it’s unsafe.” Exactly. And when I said trashy, I was referring to it in the way that people on these trashy apps normalize trading NUDE pics, but yet can’t trust someone with an exchanging a phone number. It’s not simply about free sex, it’s moreso the expectations some have. Not to mention, people on apps act so anti-escort but yet, they’re doing the same thing but with no screening and for free.

If it’s not on one of the HLN shows, it’s too soon…

I think it’s probably more to it than that: recession sounds convenient but it’s also due to different factors: no rates posted, “scammers”, contacts who only contact asking to unlock private pics not book anything, and of course the over populated amount of profiles with selfie phone pics…making it look like just another hookup app, versus a site for attracting paying clients. Non of that suggestion RentMen isn’t effective, but if a person is expecting high volume like the Hookup apps: it’s not going to happen. Most guys probably get bored with the bullshit, if they aren’t really in it full time. Or they do it briefly for a quick “fix” but aren’t generally relying on it long term.

I’ll occasionally receive the members gift from someone. You can do it for 1 or I believe 3 months. For guys that often travel, the Gold membership is usually needed but can always upgrade during that time.

I’m sure this has been brought up before, but it always seems to be a new dimension to it each year. I been finding the same day meetups to be more common lately. I used to get emails asking about my travels in advance, now it seems mostly people texting the day of looking to meet. I have across all my ads that I prefer 24 hours notice. If I take on a same day meet, 2 hours notice is the minimum but: people don’t understand that if it takes an hour or 2 to confirm, that is then added to the amount of notice I need. For example: If someone texts me at 4 PM, but doesn’t complete confirming along with address and/or deposit until 5:30 p.m. (likely due to asking questions, breaks in texting, etc etc) I’m not going to meet them at 6 p.m. The amount of notice will start from the 5:30 that they confirm. Which could mean 7-7:30 IF I have nothing else going on at that moment. But what happens? The person may not be willing to meet after such and such time. So wait: you wanted to catch me off guard and be available, BUT you’re also limited on time that you can meet. How does that work 🤔 For example, some people ask for same day appointments but then attach conditions to it like, “but I have to meet before 3 p.m. or 4 p.m. or 9 p.m. Well, if timing was so important, why try and do it at the last minute to begin with? Why not ping me the day before or atleast EARLIER in the day (I had one recently text me at 6 pm on a Friday asking to meet tonight…how many people do y'all know, that can be available at the last minute on a Friday evening?). When I suggested it would be 2 hours at least before I could be available, the plan fell thru. In regards to “available now”: I sincerely wish all sites removed that label and changed it to “available today”. It’s not that same day appointments are so bad, it’s moreso people expecting NOW. It’s not possible to stay ready for an appointment 24/7, especially if like me: you’re only used to seeing clients 2-4 times a week max. So when someone pops up asking to meet right away, I don’t know to expect that. Part of me wants to do away with all same day appointments, but I can appreciate the unexpected earning (and a nice alternative to cumming 💦 , that doesn’t require going to a cruising bar or using a hookup app…which is tempting on days I don’t have clients) it can bring. They certainly come in handy, but I also don’t like cancelling what I have going on, to accommodate. Sometimes same day isn’t a problem at all really. The problem is I find, once I agree to a same day appointment one time, there’s an expectation that I can do it ALL the time. And usually I’ll allow it once but the 2nd time they ask I’ll usually have to say no. It’s like: I’ve mentioned during our last visit the amount of effort it takes to do an appointment same day. My Solution: I wish all same day/same night appointments would CONFIRM by 12 p.m. Why 12 p.m.? Well if I’m in a hotel, it gives me time to extend a day. Even if I’m not in a hotel, confirming by noon ensures I can make plans early enough that won’t interfere with friends or family. I just don’t want it to be confused with “all same day appointments must MEET by 12 pm”. No, it’s like a cutoff time for a utility/credit card bill: But instead have it to book by noon, for your appointment to be had that day. And to the ones who “don’t know my schedule/just had time pop up”…you know you like to look at escort/masseurs. Even if you have to wing it and put down a retainer of $50/100 to someone you’re familiar with, in the event you may be free but aren’t sure.

Sums it up fairly accurately. But in case anyone wonders: it’s not just that way in the industry either. I met 4 new guys outside of clients while visiting a university town. Out of the 4, only 1 showed to really be communicative about their intentions and followed up with meeting again. The other 3 ghosted after our meet. Played all the cards right at first though. Meanwhile all my clients sent thankyou messages after the session. That’s why I’m tired of hooking up. When I allow myself to give it up them for free, they don’t appreciate it 😝

Right because, one can’t use an example of 1 person to tar the entire industry’s need for deposits. And as I’ve said before, on our side: things aren’t any different. We can spend $500 on hotels/travel multiple times throughout our “career” and not make it back. I just spent over $250 in a city I went where there was nothing but freebie seekers hitting me up. I could have hooked up with 3-4 guys but, non of them wanted to pay. Non of my regular clients were anywhere to be found, and only 1 new client ended up booking during the 2 days I stayed. Normally I would never do that, but because I was traveling long distance between areas, and knew people: I didn’t mind taking the risk. But normally I would never go on any trips without deposits. And now for “the popular opinion”: followed by: I think the above ⬆️ ⬆️ could find its way here one day. But maybe on Saturn 🪐

…I posted this the other day, in reference to the post about the doctor and the “thug”. I think the deeper context of this should be posted, otherwise it sounds too cliché. But I don’t think it’s a good way to describe Adam 4 Adam. Not everybody on Adam is a dog. I met a client couple months ago from Adam, who gave me 2 hour’s worth of “time” and paid for me a separate hotel room where he was staying, on top of it. Like I said…just takes a bit of weeding and filtering

JarrodBrandonXXX I know the OP lives in San Francisco, so that in itself can make things a bit more complex. A dense city with labyrinth like buildings, sometimes 3 layers of security (gate to park, key to enter, key for hotel probably too). I definitely find those things can be annoying, but it’s also why I try to pick simple places to host. Since I have always driven into San Francisco, that’s been important. If I have to do a million things before I can get up to my room, that’s just doing too much…and I’m sure a client would be flustered also

I don’t think hardly any hotels rent hourly anymore. Between inflation, immigration woes, and an overall increase in hotel crime/anti-sex work politics: An hourly hotel seems unlikely. You will probably save more in any city, just going a few miles outside of town or using either 3rd party apps, or budget brand chains.

Although it’s not the best site, I still meet clients from there from time to time (the ones who contact me 1st, I don’t contact them first) It’s not as tedious to find them as it used to be, it’s just now it is quieter and not as many people reaching out…but in a way it’s good because it’s less Timewasters than places like the hookup apps are. ADAM 4 ADAM is very city dependent. Some cities are okay for it, others suck. I used to find it okay in San Francisco, but as the hookup “apps” (adam4adam also has an app) have come on the scene, its popularity has dropped. Some of the smaller cities, aren’t broken down into enough neighborhoods. But it’s about the same as RentMen. But at $30 a month, it’s stayed affordable. I would like clients to use it more, because it can be useful if you are willing to filter. It used to attract a lot of shady types, but many of those have now moved on to the other apps lol. In my case, hosting requires me to rent a suite most of the time. That’s added expenses. Also, I have to drive usually outside of where I stay, to get to that hotel in the first place. So hosting is usually more expenses for me, versus $10-$50 gas going to the next town/state over.

I definitely think social media and politics are main ones. Lots of articles on how narcissism and social media go hand in hand. And so many in the “community” gravitate towards the social media platforms. However most of the industry’s audience are older, so I would think it wouldn’t be as much a factor. But idk if I can say that either.

The problem is, RentMen and others aren’t doing enough to prevent it. I’ve made suggestions on how they can mitigate it, but nothing has been taken into action. The only options currently, are taking down our number or only allowing the registered clients to view. More should be done though. I think the scammer thing is a by product of so many content creators trying to get into the game, and also just the general state of scammers infiltrating everything from toll notices to dating profiles. However some aren’t always scammers, they’re just Timewasters or childish dudes who think playing on an escort’s line and being disrespectful is empowering.

Reminiscent of price is right, I wanted to make a similar question posed by @Rudynate But I feel this way about the industry at times. Namely the few things that really get to me are: 1) Same day appointments: I understand being horny and sometimes it can be helpful. But majority of the time, same day appointments do not work. How can 2 men who don’t know nothing about each others schedule, location or availability get in the same room? I understand if it’s a regular who is accustomed to each other’s time schedule, but so many new clients try to book a same day visits. I usually have to wrap up plans to attend. Ironically, those same clients are rarely ever available same day themselves…when I initiate it. So it’s usually better to not do them at all. 2) Hotels: I just spent over $200 in the last couple days on a hotel…and although the money was set aside for it already, I haven’t quite earned it back. People often ask me to host, but the days I set aside to host, people don’t always show up. 3) Dismissive/annoying men: similar to the same day request brigade, it almost seems every other day/week…there’s some prick waiting to push a button. If you’re strong willed and use templates/auto reply on rentmen messenger etc, it’s a bit easier. But overall, I hate how some random can find their way onto my phone and act like a total ass: and kill my vibe. And it’s not always Timewasters either. Sometimes it’s clients too. Check yourself and make sure your tone isn’t cock, condescending or belittling towards escorts. 4) Dead Cities/States: I’ve seen many cities that used to be good 10-15 years ago, now aren’t hitting much. Having RentMen as a main male escort site is not conducive. And it’s so many guys per city advertising. Some cities, I’m hardly even getting hits from RentMen at all. Even the cities with less ads aren’t always guaranteed to be busy, and like I said in #2: a DECENT non-motel 6 hotel in many areas are $100 a night minimum. I can’t wait around for 3-4 days paying that amount with nothing confirmed. And that’s why I ask for… 5) Deposits: I rarely book without them. Some clients expect us to magically pull money out of thin air (aka our own accounts/pockets) for lodging, hotels, commute, and all that’s involved: with no money upfront. That’s unfair and just not sensible in my view. It’s one thing if a guy is just like “come over to my studio/home”, but even when I used to offer that 24/7, a good portion still wouldn’t show up as anticipated. 6) Hookup apps: I feel they continue to ruin the industry. I don’t feel they compete with clients, but it’s created a culture where people are expecting bare minimum. People are willing to hook up for free and with no phone number, it’s become super trashy 🚮, and it’s unsafe. If someone harms you on a hookup app and you have no phone number, good luck being found. The fact people are doing this, is reckless at best. All that said, is it worth it? I’d say it can be…but some days it doesn’t always feel like it.