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No, not hostile toward me at all. I just felt it was a big, big push to hire. 

Aggressive as in insistently trying to coax you to make an appointment, or aggressive as in hostile and belligerent toward you? I ask because the former may suggest he’s desperate for business, while the latter may suggest that he’s unsafe to be around.

Bumping because I couldn’t find a thread on this already. I saw isolated mentions of body contact scattered across threads on particular masseurs, but I couldn’t find a single thread that compiled the names of providers conveniently in one place.
Any recommendations of masseurs, especially in the NYC area, who incorporate body contact (i.e. using their entire body to massage yours) will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. 🙂 
Alternatively, if anyone finds an existing thread on this, hopefully you can post a link to it here. Again, thanks.
And for starters, I had this experience a while ago with Jorge_M, but he’s no longer based in NYC.
Jorge_M - Male Massage & Bodywork in Philadelphia, PA | RentMasseur
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Bumping because I couldn’t find a thread on this already. I saw isolated mentions of body contact scattered across threads on particular masseurs, but I couldn’t find a single thread that compiled the names of providers conveniently in one place.
Any recommendations of masseurs, especially in the NYC area, who incorporate body contact (i.e. using their entire body to massage yours) will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. 🙂 
Alternatively, if anyone finds an existing thread on this, hopefully you can post a link to it here. Again, thanks.
And for starters, I had this experience a while ago with Jorge_M, but he’s no longer based in NYC.
Jorge_M - Male Massage & Bodywork in Philadelphia, PA | RentMasseur
RENTMASSEUR.COM Gay Masseur Jorge_M in Philadelphia, PA offering a wide range of massages ⭐ experienced in therapeutic, sensual, swedish, hotStone, deepTissue.  

It took a little while to organize but suddenly everything clicked - I experienced a combo massage with MindfulMasseur and his partner RomeoAntonio today!
I had hired MM for more than 20 times prior.  RA was a first time encounter, but I have been admiring his work on OnlyFans.  In other words, his anatomy was not a total surprise.
The venue was at the couple's comfortable apartment on the UWS.  After a brief chat, I was naked on their heated massage table while the guys stripped down to skimpy underwear that left nothing to the imagination.  I was familiar with MM's body, front and back.  I did marvel at the physique and the personal charisma of RA - the curled black hair, the smile, the perfect chest, the muscular legs.  Starting out as a solid therapeutic experience, RA took off his briefs and made sure I knew it.  He has extremely strong hands that went deep into my glutes as the massage evolved into a fully erotic experience.  While the details need not be disclosed on a public forum, let me say that I felt surrounded by masculine beauty and skill.  The couple, at some point, became very interactive between the two of them which was a sight that will be hard to forget.
I have no hesitation to recommend MindfulMasseur and RomeoAntonio separately but if you are so inclined, the duo combo will blow you away. 
 

I saw him last summer - pix are dated, he definitely does not have that body anymore.   Body hair is on another level.
It wasn't the worst experience but it wasn't good.  The volume of messaging following our one session was nuts and I had to block him.

When you’re young, school and college make it easy to meet people and build friendships. As adults, though, life looks different. Work isn’t always the best place to form close bonds, and free time is limited with careers, family, and responsibilities pulling us in different directions. On top of that, most of us get pickier with age, we’d rather have a few solid friendships than a crowd of so-so ones. The catch is that real friendships take effort and consistency, which isn’t always easy to give. And let’s be honest, putting yourself out there feels riskier as you get older, rejection stings more, and it’s harder to trust people’s intentions.

I recently saw him. Like others, I found him friendly and easy on the eyes. The massage, however, was underwhelming. Lots of slow strokes in awkward directions, seemingly with little awareness of how the body responds to touch. I wanted to end it after 20 minutes but told myself, “Maybe the next part will get better.” Sadly, it did not. Oh well…. nice guy though.

Actually he’s had his starting rate listed on his profile for a couple years now! And is always super transparent, so not sure where the confusion comes in. He’s always super clear and easy to talk to as well. It honestly seems like there’s missing sides (and context) to both of these stories shared here. So hopefully most of you, don’t hold back from trying him out. ESPECIALLY at this new place he’s got set up, it is sweeeeet 🥵

Other threads about him echo my experience with him. There are three things to note:
He has changed his screen name a few times over the years, which is often done by providers who rack up lots of negative reviews under a prior screen name. His pictures are old. I saw him over 10 years ago and he’s still using some of the same pics from back then.  He offers no sensuality, despite advertising sensual massages.  Again, my experience is echoed in other threads about him. I’d suggest avoiding.

Montreal +1
I stopped going to NYC Adonis parties  after such a disappointment line up. And most of them  were pushy and asked for more money than they initially offered. In the other i find the Montreal dancers such hot sweethearts , specially Campus  
 

Just got back from Montreal. Wad there from Wed to Sun.
Wed, don't bother with Stock Bar. Campus was fire.
Taboo is lame. Mostly malnourished twinks.
Stock Bar generally seems gayer. Dancers are more effeminate. Didn't bother to do any privates. Had reserved tables for hen's nights on Fri and Sat, and the only straight hunks will gyrate towards them. Dances on stage were mostly covered up except for quick peeks and the one shower show I saw.
Campus on the other hand. FIRE!!!! So so so much fun and full on erected cocks on stage. Go after 11pm and all the dancers will be full on horny. Like pretty much anything goes. Fabio from Stock Bar works there now Thur to Sun.
Have fun, and people in Montreal are really nice and friendly too.

This forum is a community of people, and obviously, every community has some members that get on other members' nerves.  Most people here have never met one another, and it can be hard to judge tone and meaning when reading what someone has written.  At least that's what I try to remind myself.  There have been members who've made comments on my posts that could be considered 'mean', perhaps.  But that's ultimately on them.  If that's how they engage people, so be it, and it isn't any skin off my nose.  There are some people on the forum who just won't let it go if you happen to disagree with them, and that can get tiresome.  We don't always have to be 'right'.  And sometimes various viewpoints can all be valid at the same time.  It does seem at times that kindness is becoming a lost art.  As are forgiveness and empathy.

I get your point. Like to make it short, stop being rude in this forum.
Some responses here are even validating the mean girl dynamics that’s happening in what’s supposedly a safe space for us just looking out for fun or connection. It cost nothing to be kind to others.

About a year ago, I responded to a thread here on the forum. It was a 'general topic' (not about a provider or a review) and I had shared my experience concerning the subject matter. Nothing controversial, just my experience. (I believe the thread was about a chain retailer).
Anyhow, someone I never engaged with before decided to quote me, and rip me up one side and tear me down the other because my experience was opposite his. So be it. I didn't respond or defend myself, I just continued on here, enjoying the forum.
Within days, I got PMs from other members here (again, members I had not engaged with previously) giving me the heads up on this guy, letting me know he was 'trouble' and not to be bothered by him. Apparently, these other guys had dealings with him in the past. I thanked each one for their message of concern, and let them all know I wasn't bothered by him at all. But with the info they all shared as a community, I made the decision to skip over all his posts on this thread every time I see his distinctive avatar - no interest in him or his thoughts.
 
What's funny is he's PMd me on a couple of things in the past year, and I could tell he was itching for an argument. But again, I had no interest in what he said, and never replied. 

It’s good to see this raised. I do appreciate the moderators and know it often feels like a thankless job. In my experience, which is primarily in the Daddy’s Den sections, there are a few guys (and I’ll refrain from naming them) who are consistently mean and nasty about members and providers alike. Their participation here seems to be limited to saying members and providers are ugly, fat, unattractive, etc. Worse, they rarely offer any actual reviews or insight from their experiences. 
As I tend to call these guys out, I get lots of DMs from more conflict averse members who thank me. Personally, I think any negative commentary about a member or provider’s appearance- not including if someone is older, heavier, using fake pics - should be removed. If a provider is being honest about his appearance, there’s no need to comment on it. Rather we should stick to the quality of service, connection, personal experience, etc. As this Board is anonymous, it’s particularly galling to have members ripping into providers’ appearance. If members were subjected to the treatment they give to providers, I suspect many would crumble. 
And allowing these members to constantly make derogatory comments about providers appearance reinforces the terrible “beauty” standards that are common in the gay male community. I see guys my age or a few years older express that they feel ugly and undesirable. At a time when our community is under attack, can’t we be kinder to each other? 

it's NOTHING like it was before - i only joined after the politics board was gotten rid of, but a close friend of mine was bullied non-stop back then - enjoy this forum for what it offers, and just develop the capability to quickly monitor what you read and edit out the silly stuff!
While the negative posts seem to come from members who post too often and are insecure ego-driven types, there are really good people here

I agree that there are too many negative posters here which lessons my interest in returning to read the forums and post.

It seems that the topic has reached its useby date and we've run out of things to say that address whether we have a mean-girl dynamic, and we're resorting to motives and accusations about who here is mean and in what way. This was never about attacking or defending our own, or any others' motives, and certainly not about an assessment of everyone, or anyone who falls under the LGBTIA+ banner.
The two warnings could not have been clearer. I appreciate the comments I've received about the need to address some of the exclusion and attacks that some of the posts appear to contain, but not everyone seems to have taken them on board.

Gentlemen, a reminder, a warning to stay on topic was posted less than 24 hours ago. While mentioning the sort of things that people have said, or even weaponised (in general, not by naming individuals) is marginally on topic as being an example or illustration, debating the substance of them is not part of this discussion. This discussion is about what the OP saw as part of the nature of what this on-line community has become or is in danger of becoming. The few posts above this warning are an example of a discussion of the substance of an issue rather than simply naming it as one where the dynamic has manifested.
If you think everything that can be said about whether we have a 'mean girl dynamic' has been said, stop commenting. If you want to discuss other topics, find a thread about them, or start one. Just don't bring that discussion to this thread.

We’ve all seen it happen: A benign thread on this site that gets derailed by haughty and venomous users who seemingly delight in belittling and bullying others. Sometimes their comments reflect an inability, or maybe an unwillingness, to accept that others simply disagree with them. Perhaps more disturbing are the times when their spite and snark emerge with no clear provocation, leaving the rest of us to wonder whether participating on this site is worth the hassle. Either way, this mean girl dynamic — the bullying of fellow users into submission and silence — is difficult to avoid on Company of Men, and it undermines this site as a space where all of us can convene and connect.
 
Outside of reporting such behavior to site administrators — an imperfect response that raises its own set of challenges — I see no clear path toward curbing this dynamic on CoM. (If others have suggestions, feel free to share.) I am naming it here for the benefit of others who, like me, are troubled by the mean-spiritedness of some of our fellow site members. You are not crazy; some of our peers on CoM are terribly unkind, and their petty and spiteful communication styles can make it difficult to spend time here.
 
And sure, this is not unique to CoM. Aggressive and malicious comments from others pervade practically every online domain imaginable. But I find the mean girl dynamic on CoM particularly disheartening because of the purpose of this site. As a gay man of a certain age who is often invisible in bars and clubs catering to the gym-bodied under-40 crowd, and who engages in the type of encounters discussed on this site, I don’t have many people that I can talk to about my specific “extracurricular activities.” (I imagine this is the case for some — not all, but some — of you as well.) I was so relieved when I finally discovered this site after years of wasting time and money on unskilled providers just looking to make a quick buck. I was also incredibly grateful for the outlet (and on some days, the lifeline) this site provided during the COVID lockdown. CoM has the potential to nurture a spirit-lifting camaraderie for those of us who struggle to find it elsewhere. I wish some of us weren’t so seemingly hellbent on tearing others down.
 
Note: I have not named any specific users in this post, as the issue at hand extends beyond any single user. I implore anyone who chooses to comment on this thread to follow suit.

We’ve all seen it happen: A benign thread on this site that gets derailed by haughty and venomous users who seemingly delight in belittling and bullying others. Sometimes their comments reflect an inability, or maybe an unwillingness, to accept that others simply disagree with them. Perhaps more disturbing are the times when their spite and snark emerge with no clear provocation, leaving the rest of us to wonder whether participating on this site is worth the hassle. Either way, this mean girl dynamic — the bullying of fellow users into submission and silence — is difficult to avoid on Company of Men, and it undermines this site as a space where all of us can convene and connect.
 
Outside of reporting such behavior to site administrators — an imperfect response that raises its own set of challenges — I see no clear path toward curbing this dynamic on CoM. (If others have suggestions, feel free to share.) I am naming it here for the benefit of others who, like me, are troubled by the mean-spiritedness of some of our fellow site members. You are not crazy; some of our peers on CoM are terribly unkind, and their petty and spiteful communication styles can make it difficult to spend time here.
 
And sure, this is not unique to CoM. Aggressive and malicious comments from others pervade practically every online domain imaginable. But I find the mean girl dynamic on CoM particularly disheartening because of the purpose of this site. As a gay man of a certain age who is often invisible in bars and clubs catering to the gym-bodied under-40 crowd, and who engages in the type of encounters discussed on this site, I don’t have many people that I can talk to about my specific “extracurricular activities.” (I imagine this is the case for some — not all, but some — of you as well.) I was so relieved when I finally discovered this site after years of wasting time and money on unskilled providers just looking to make a quick buck. I was also incredibly grateful for the outlet (and on some days, the lifeline) this site provided during the COVID lockdown. CoM has the potential to nurture a spirit-lifting camaraderie for those of us who struggle to find it elsewhere. I wish some of us weren’t so seemingly hellbent on tearing others down.
 
Note: I have not named any specific users in this post, as the issue at hand extends beyond any single user. I implore anyone who chooses to comment on this thread to follow suit.

We’ve all seen it happen: A benign thread on this site that gets derailed by haughty and venomous users who seemingly delight in belittling and bullying others. Sometimes their comments reflect an inability, or maybe an unwillingness, to accept that others simply disagree with them. Perhaps more disturbing are the times when their spite and snark emerge with no clear provocation, leaving the rest of us to wonder whether participating on this site is worth the hassle. Either way, this mean girl dynamic — the bullying of fellow users into submission and silence — is difficult to avoid on Company of Men, and it undermines this site as a space where all of us can convene and connect.
 
Outside of reporting such behavior to site administrators — an imperfect response that raises its own set of challenges — I see no clear path toward curbing this dynamic on CoM. (If others have suggestions, feel free to share.) I am naming it here for the benefit of others who, like me, are troubled by the mean-spiritedness of some of our fellow site members. You are not crazy; some of our peers on CoM are terribly unkind, and their petty and spiteful communication styles can make it difficult to spend time here.
 
And sure, this is not unique to CoM. Aggressive and malicious comments from others pervade practically every online domain imaginable. But I find the mean girl dynamic on CoM particularly disheartening because of the purpose of this site. As a gay man of a certain age who is often invisible in bars and clubs catering to the gym-bodied under-40 crowd, and who engages in the type of encounters discussed on this site, I don’t have many people that I can talk to about my specific “extracurricular activities.” (I imagine this is the case for some — not all, but some — of you as well.) I was so relieved when I finally discovered this site after years of wasting time and money on unskilled providers just looking to make a quick buck. I was also incredibly grateful for the outlet (and on some days, the lifeline) this site provided during the COVID lockdown. CoM has the potential to nurture a spirit-lifting camaraderie for those of us who struggle to find it elsewhere. I wish some of us weren’t so seemingly hellbent on tearing others down.
 
Note: I have not named any specific users in this post, as the issue at hand extends beyond any single user. I implore anyone who chooses to comment on this thread to follow suit.

We’ve all seen it happen: A benign thread on this site that gets derailed by haughty and venomous users who seemingly delight in belittling and bullying others. Sometimes their comments reflect an inability, or maybe an unwillingness, to accept that others simply disagree with them. Perhaps more disturbing are the times when their spite and snark emerge with no clear provocation, leaving the rest of us to wonder whether participating on this site is worth the hassle. Either way, this mean girl dynamic — the bullying of fellow users into submission and silence — is difficult to avoid on Company of Men, and it undermines this site as a space where all of us can convene and connect.
 
Outside of reporting such behavior to site administrators — an imperfect response that raises its own set of challenges — I see no clear path toward curbing this dynamic on CoM. (If others have suggestions, feel free to share.) I am naming it here for the benefit of others who, like me, are troubled by the mean-spiritedness of some of our fellow site members. You are not crazy; some of our peers on CoM are terribly unkind, and their petty and spiteful communication styles can make it difficult to spend time here.
 
And sure, this is not unique to CoM. Aggressive and malicious comments from others pervade practically every online domain imaginable. But I find the mean girl dynamic on CoM particularly disheartening because of the purpose of this site. As a gay man of a certain age who is often invisible in bars and clubs catering to the gym-bodied under-40 crowd, and who engages in the type of encounters discussed on this site, I don’t have many people that I can talk to about my specific “extracurricular activities.” (I imagine this is the case for some — not all, but some — of you as well.) I was so relieved when I finally discovered this site after years of wasting time and money on unskilled providers just looking to make a quick buck. I was also incredibly grateful for the outlet (and on some days, the lifeline) this site provided during the COVID lockdown. CoM has the potential to nurture a spirit-lifting camaraderie for those of us who struggle to find it elsewhere. I wish some of us weren’t so seemingly hellbent on tearing others down.
 
Note: I have not named any specific users in this post, as the issue at hand extends beyond any single user. I implore anyone who chooses to comment on this thread to follow suit.

I never knew about how Hogan undermined Ventura’s unionization effort. A Google search produces more sources, including an interview clip with Ventura, that corroborate the story. SMH.