Pulgasari1991

What a happy ending (no pun intended). It's always good to have a client who's willing to front us during the hard times.
 
This is my personal opinion, and I know there's clients who never send deposits or cancel fees, but may tip double the price. So it doesn't mean they aren't generous. But at the same time, I think sometimes people see us tit for tat with other lines of work. Like aka, "i don't pay my dentist upfront". Well yeah but you're not fucking your dentist and seeing naked pictures of him though, are you? And that's the thing: escorts are working technically, even when we're not meeting in person. In some ways, an escort can be like a family or good friend you'd send money to if they needed it. Not just a "Business".
 
Other day I had a client I've never met before drop $500 in my account. Far more than I expected. But, the drive was 3 hours and considering my other client before him royally stood me up, I wasn't complaining.
 
I also have "sponsors" who are willing to front me for future sessions. I felt bad that one in particular was unable to meet me last month. But I was there in his state for nearly 2 months, and he just wasn't able to meet timing wise. Hopefully in the near future.
 
At the same time, I don't want to be in a position where I'm accepting funds months and years in advance, because by then...too much time will have gone by and an escort may feel technically out of pocket.

To 'attempt' to protect themselves legally.

The appointment went South, yet you still paid his rent and bought him gifts.
 
At any point in all of this, didn't a little voice in your head say
 

 
You cannot bribe your way into a great session from an escort: Learn this with future hires. Also, do your homework, find a guy with a string of good reviews and attempt to get a better feel for who you're going to see.
 
I'm sorry this ended up badly, but consider it a learning experience and not the final nail in the coffin.

The appointment went South, yet you still paid his rent and bought him gifts.
 
At any point in all of this, didn't a little voice in your head say
 

 
You cannot bribe your way into a great session from an escort: Learn this with future hires. Also, do your homework, find a guy with a string of good reviews and attempt to get a better feel for who you're going to see.
 
I'm sorry this ended up badly, but consider it a learning experience and not the final nail in the coffin.

Also you do realize the rates are totally different from the US and vary between countries a lot. Germany is traditionally the lowest at @ $100, Zurich, the richest city in Europe, is $150, Bel Ami and other top porn stars in Czech are @ $150 (what they get in Zurich) to $200. My experiences in Barcelona were both $100, although some may be more.
 
Be sure to say you are American for many reasons. And, if you don't have it, get WhatsApp and learn to use it. What everyone in Europe and S. America uses. (Texting there often costs).

However you want to spin it, the person you hire someone to be and the person they are outside the confines of your arrangement do not correlate. It may seem "silly," but it really is necessary for some escorts to mentally check in and out by using something as simple as a fake name. Blurring the lines of professional and personal in this industry isn't healthy for everyone.

I find it creepy when clients wanna know my “real name”. I use a chosen name for a reason. You’re hiring Zachary. Not the real me. The real me isn’t anywhere near as professional and selfless when it comes to sex. Zachary is a real fireball of a character. Calling me by any other name or expressing a desire to would take me out of the headspace that I’m always in when I’m “on the clock”. Not to mention trigger privacy concerns. And make me feel like the client is being invasive unnecessarily. I know a lot of you think you want the “real person” behind the escort, but you don’t. If that’s what you really wanted then you’d be on grindr or cruising in bars instead of hiring. If you want a professional experience then call Zachary for a good time. If you want my “real name” then go find me in a bar or at the gym and ask me for my name. You’ll get my name but you won’t get the experience that Zachary can give you, that’s for sure...

In the english translation, you omitted to be strictly bottom.

Meaning, without him/her you'd have to read even more messages? Or, how does that work?

Lol, too late...already sent via FB messenger. BUT, I included both because I didn’t want to seem like I was ganging up on either, and I know whatever I tell my friend, he’s going to tell his partner. I know how relationships go especially if they live together lol.
 
They ended up responding well. Couple of days later, My friend’s partner said: “You do you! I’m sorry I said things that were demeaning, unmotivating, and unhelpful”. My friend said he wished we’d of had that conversation earlier while I was there.
 
...but I pretty much went over why in a previous post.
 

 
That’s true. But that’s why I don’t mix with a lot of people in the community. There’s still a lot of judgmental ness in the scene. They may say they don’t mind or they don’t judge off the bat, but they inevitably end up passing on some “ideas” about things that tend to rub me the wrong way.
 
But these 2 friends in particular I know they come from a good place. After this, I’m sure they know now that it’s not a subject to bring up with me.

You still can have an enema properly, "take a dump" is intended for you to unload naturally as much as you can before proceeding.

It wouldn’t be any more run with scammers than it is now. I’ve heard of clients being robbed and walked out on, money in hand...right in front of their face. How hard is it to collect money upfront, and then say, “I’ll be right back, I’ve got to run down to my car”?
 
If you see that a provider is a professional porn star, has a website, has good reviews, a number that is connected to his profiles across various sites and is known in the business...how can you compare that to a Nigerian Scammer who is using completely falsified information, and is generally more sending you a check for a cash value, versus just asking for a deposit via Venmo, PayPal or cash app, which will generally include the provider’s photo and/or working name. Even on PayPal...I have a picture of myself but I don’t use my working name there.
 
Let’s just all stop for a minute, and come back to earth. It’s one thing to not want to pay upfront to a complete stranger, but it’s not necessarily the same when you have an escort with credentials and receipts.

It is. Because it differentiates one from others who make cancel, forget or change plans at the time of booking. For providers like myself who receive many booking requests per day, it often helps to have a deposit arrangement set up, so serious clients aren’t getting their time held up by those who may not show.
 
I usually only ask for them for incalls (where the client comes to me) because I’m often booking or extending hotel stays to host. But if when I’m traveling, I may ask regardless of if I host or travel.
 
It’s pretty common. I have PayPal, cash app and Venmo for client’s convenience.

No.

There’s nothing worse than an escort who is clearly not into it. Every time
that happens, I want to slap him upside the head and say, “dude, let me
teach you how to make money...big M-O-N-E-Y”.
 
I don’t care if you’re faking it....just be good enough at it so I can’t tell.
 
And yeah just like real life, you gotta kiss a lot of frogs.
But when the chemistry is right....it’s amazing.
 
Just keep looking. You’ll find the right dude. And when you do, treat him like a prince.

One has to cope with that somehow.

I agree, and over the past couple of weeks...I’ve really had to go out of my way to make up some appointments I had to cancel with clients, and it ended up working out.
 
However, if we set aside the fact the escort wasn’t real, and assume this was someone else...I’m just still wondering why the OP didn’t just initially offer what his budget is when the escort told him his rate? Why did he wait for the escort to counter offer, and then add “but not trying to haggle”.
 
See...when people do that, I feel like that opens the door to ping pong ? Now you’re trying to see who’s going to give in first, is he going to give in to my price, or am I going to offer a little bit more.
 
I think if someone is really interested in seeing someone, the conversation shouldn’t dead at price. That conversation was literally over in 2 exchanges...and tenderloin deaded the conversation before it even started, “that’s too much, but thanks anyway”. That’s a slap in the face. And I’ve had it before. And don’t be fooled into thinking $400 is too much. Sometimes people say $250 is too much, $150 is too much, anything more than FREE is too much for some. So forget about the amount.
 
That’s the problem I have with this situation. I don’t feel the escort should be looked down on, considering the initial approach was a bit condescending to begin with.

Anyone think this escort may have had the intention doing this from the start after the budget was stated?
"Clients" do this periodically...after I state my rate or availability they chime in that they have someone hotter coming immediately and for a lesser rate. What is the probability that all that lined up within 5 minutes?? It's mostly just to rub in my face that I am not getting their money...perhaps the escort was doing the same and running in your face that you were not getting to meet them.
 
Cynical I know, but the things humans are capable of...

Much prefer hearing “no thanks” than someone just falling off and not replying like you mention, just my 0.02 - text convo gets trashed and a loose end is tied up in my mind
 
Also, definitely don’t mind hearing why someone chooses not to hire me - it is often the budget in some smaller markets, and I would rather have more information than less to help keep me current on trends in the biz
 

What the fuck were you doing looking in his nightstand?
 
Seriously, you’re there to get laid.... not play detective.
 
What exactly would you have done if he walked in while you were going through his stuff?
 
You owe the man an apology for invading his privacy.
 
The fact that a few guns made you “feel weird” is meaningless to me....you’re a creeper.

@Mocha It wasn't the complaints about all the hassles about the clients that drove us apart (from the longtime escort I had). It didn't bother me. It was politics. We are on opposite sides of the political spectrum and I didn't care about his political beliefs but he tried like hell to prove that he was right. I told him lets not talk about politics but he couldn't control himself. A couple of times he got seriously nasty so I ended it. He was shocked. Thought I couldn't live without him I guess, but I did care about him. Life is strange.

@Mocha The problem isn't you. The problem is that most of these "potential clients" are just pathetic voyeuristic inconsiderate assholes. I had an escort who I had seen for over 4 years and at least 100 meets (I'm serious) and he mouthed off to me twice over politics that the fool kept bringing up and then it was over. He regrets its now but I'm done. He always complained about the same problems you are having. I don't know what to tell you, but I wouldn't allow the texts and emails to go on and on. Tell them the deal upfront. Most of these people are just getting their jollies with all this back and forth communication. I can imagine how freaking annoying it is.
 
I truly believe people need to get a life! The Deli threads are the most numerous on this website. Why? Not because most of the posters will even meet the guys they are talking about. They are just getting their jollies with this. If a person has decent reviews, then there shouldn't be so much drama with hiring someone for an hour. If you're worried about $250-$300 then you can't afford it in the first place.

I’ll assume you’re addressing me on that tip...I’ll address that:
 
It’s not so much a topic of leaving the business, it’s more of a topic of how much can a person deal with, before the work outweighs the reward. That I don’t mind putting into print, because it needs to be discussed regardless. I know there’s not so much can be done by just talking about it on here, and the real solution is going to have to come with either greater escort tolerance/screening or Rent guy platforms having a better filter on who contacts us.
 
I have an interesting experiment I’ve done: I have business cards. Occasionally I’ll pass them out to random people (usually in an already gay atmosphere). But usually I only give them to clients as a “souvenir” or if I need to prove to a client on Grindr or Adam that I’m not just out here trying to make a quick ?
 
Do you know that not 1 person who I’ve given my business card to, has contacted me to waste my time or bullshit me? Even people who may not want to use the service, and even the people who are interested in me. I could go around and pass out my business card to 10 guys, and most likely wouldn’t be concerned with them wasting my time or calling. I even used a separate number to track who called my biz card versus who called my online ads. Why is that?
 
I believe people carry on the way they do on Rentmen because they know we can’t see who’s on the other end. They can see us, but we can’t see them...so in their mind, there’s no need for accountability on their end. That’s not saying how all clients view things, but more of general perspective of from how it is.
 
So, it’s not about a lack of enthusiasm...it’s about the inconsideration on a daily basis, that can interfere with overall enthusiasm.

Yeah, the flakes and fakes and timewasters are getting worse, exponentially so. The landscape for certain escort demographics has never been great relative to others, and it's getting worse. I've decided it's time to prepare to move on from this industry, and I'm taking steps in that direction. I'll miss meeting people but otherwise not too sad about it, though I have regulars who will be. Not having to deal with stigma, not having to lie to people about what I do, being able to date "civilians"...I feel good about it.
 
Maybe that's a potential course of action for the OP.

Well that’s your opinion, but that’s not the facts. It’s not about someone not being “into me”. I’ll prove my case in point:
 
I had a client contact me in DC last week, whom previously contacted me from the same number in Phoenix like 2 years ago. The only conversation we had, was him asking me to come to where he was...me getting some info to come out, and then no response, and then the next day, “hey I’m sorry, I fell asleep”. All this within 20 minutes.
 
Now...I don’t know why I didn’t block him after that, but I musta brushed it off and didn’t even bother thinking twice about it. When he contacted me again 2 years later in DC, I was able to see the previous conversation. But this time, we actually ended up meeting up. Not only was he sexy as fuck, but he couldn’t stay off of me either...and afterwards he texted me again to say how hot I was and how fun we had. And I got my $300.
 
So...it wouldn’t make sense to say these people contacting me aren’t into me. They are into me, otherwise they wouldn’t be reaching out to me. And who are you to say this line of work isn’t for me? Are you the sex worker auditor or governor?
 
If you aren’t doing it, if people aren’t paying you money for what your body and sexual talents have to offer, you have no place to come and tell me that I’m not cut out for this business. It has nothing to do with not being cut out for the business. It has everything to do with getting people to be more proactive in their decisions to contact providers.
 
If someone is going to contact a sex worker, be prepared to make concessions in order to make that contact turn into an appointment. You don’t call Pizza Hut and talk about how much you love pizza, how good the pizza looks, how you would love to taste the pizza and have the sauce roll down your chin...only to say, “sorry, my wife is cooking dinner today. How long are you open?” That’s bullshit. It’s inappropriate. It’s childish. It’s ignorant. It’s rude. It’s inconsiderate. It’s wasteful. So why do I need to sit around and put up with it?
 
If someone has 100 excuses of how busy they are before they even meet, then perhaps THEY’RE not cut out to contact escorts. Ya think?