Kris_Canada

There're liars on both sides and it sucks that a minority of swindlers (on the escort side) and time-wasters (on the potential-client-but-let's-face-it-that-prankster-was-never-actually-gonna-become-a-client side) cause us to be less trustful of each other.
 
The first half of 2019 was the Year of Fakes, Flakes, Scammers and Pranksters, oddly, for me. Thankfully it tapered off.
 
But yeah, if I'm driving any further than 45 minutes anywhere for a client, I ask for a $40 USD pre-payment via e-transfer or PayPal (and now I realize I can use Western Union as well and started to a few weeks ago) to cover me for gas, travel time, and wear & tear on my vehicle, and it increases the further they are from me. If the person chickens out last minute, or if they were a fake to begin with and never intended to meet (but oddly still decided to pay the upfront in order to get their rocks off over scamming me), this at least covers me for the hour there and the hour back from a what-I'd-make-at-the-lowest-paying-of-my-day-jobs-in-the-film-industry perspective.
 
It's more if the client wants me to travel further specifically for them. The drive from Toronto to Rochester isn't a short one, for example (dang lake's in the way, heh). A guy asked recently and I quoted him a $100 pre-payment, otherwise he'd need to wait until the next time I'm in Buffalo or passing through. If someone in another province or country wants to see me but doesn't wanna pay anything in advance, I politely decline and tell them that hopefully we can meet when/if I happen to be staying in their city some day.
 
If it's for an overnight and I already know them well (I have a few regular clients in my province who I drive 2 to 4 hours for), no travel fee is implemented.
 
There were a few posts here that seemed to be mixing the meaning of what constitutes an advance payment.
 
I can understand avoiding pre-payment in full (or ANY, if your escort is local to you) before you've even seen the guy, but some of you don't believe in paying the escort when they arrive at your door or hotel room ? Don't tons of other escorts (the majority?) refuse to do business if they're not paid upon entering ? Or at least SHOWN that the cash is on hand and have had it set down on the night stand or elsewhere and they simply don't touch it until the session is over ?
 
Sorry, but I've been ripped off twice -- once by my original/longest [at the time] client, randomly/weirdly (we got to the end of the session and he said abruptly/with his head down, "I don't have it, I don't have it!"), and he's requested my services since then, without agreeing with me that he first needs to make up for the free session he tricked me into...and another time by a new guy I spent 15 minutes with before remembering to ask for payment (that guy got some kissing and a bit of a shoulder massage outta me before I wised up). I asked to at least SEE that he had the money, even if he put it back in his wallet and locked his wallet in a safe after or something, and he STILL refused. And he started saying, "Yyyep! That's right, you can leave," as I was putting my shoes back on, "You just missed out on $240 buddy!" (talking Canadian rates, in that case)
 
Twice-bitten, doubly shy.
 
I'm not gonna get naked with a client and then potentially NOT get paid.
 
Re: "don't you want a tip?" Fair point, but that's kinda disingenuous. You CAN tip after the session is over, if you feel like doing so/if you think things went so well that he deserves one, even if you paid him his hourly or overnight at the outset. There's no rule saying it needs to be all in one stack, in the same handover.
 
I never expect a tip. They're bonuses. My day's already awesome by getting paid to keep you company, massage you, and/or be your companion, travel-and/or-cuddle-buddy for the hour/the day/the weekend...a tip is gravy. You know what's just as valuable to me as a $20 to $100 tip ? A nice review. If you're not in the habit of tipping cash or if money's tight, you providing a review for me is huge.

That's inspiring as fuck, wow. ??

That got me hard, thanks for sharing it. Strokin' to it now at 2:40am...

I always admired his videos and I agree it was a great way to screen
potential hires. You could tell which guys were going through the
motions, and which guys were actually into it.
 
The ones who were “into it” moved to the top of my list, and I was
never disappointed.
 
I remember being blasted years ago on Muscle Service for having
the gall to say I found his videos “hot”. Why the fuck would
anyone else care what turns me on? LOL.

I mean hey, I'll come to NYC for ya once every month or two (or however often) if that's all the criteria you need met. ? (ya didn't say whether ya want him jacked or not)
 
Just got my passport...
 
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Hot. But I'd only hire if he bottomed.
 
Sure would love to WORK with him and tag team a bottom or vers guy, though, wow.

Just talk to the guy you're interested in. Ask questions in the most direct manner possible, in a way that makes it less easy for him to simply tell you what you wanna hear. People can always lie, but on the safe sex and HIV status front, I find the vast majority of people are honest (ie, those I've gotten to know don't later reveal that they lied to get in my pants).

I completely agree. Whenever I hire an escort for the first time for more than just a wham-bam, I almost always spend at least half of that initial meeting just talking because I need that to relax and get comfortable for an intimate session. Sometimes that level of full comfort and ease doesn't happen until the 2nd or 3rd time we meet, assuming I felt that there was some kind of spark or potential during the 1st session.
 
 
So, depending on what you want, don't put too much stock into how well you click at that 1st meeting. Rather, look for signs or indications of the deeper qualities that you seek, and which can develop over time. And as long as you're upfront with the escort about what you want (and that it's your first time, of course), assuming he's a consummate professional, he should be able to guide you through it and minimize the discomfort and awkwardness.

I mean hey, I'll come to NYC for ya once every month or two (or however often) if that's all the criteria you need met. ? (ya didn't say whether ya want him jacked or not)
 
Just got my passport...
 
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There're liars on both sides and it sucks that a minority of swindlers (on the escort side) and time-wasters (on the potential-client-but-let's-face-it-that-prankster-was-never-actually-gonna-become-a-client side) cause us to be less trustful of each other.
 
The first half of 2019 was the Year of Fakes, Flakes, Scammers and Pranksters, oddly, for me. Thankfully it tapered off.
 
But yeah, if I'm driving any further than 45 minutes anywhere for a client, I ask for a $40 USD pre-payment via e-transfer or PayPal (and now I realize I can use Western Union as well and started to a few weeks ago) to cover me for gas, travel time, and wear & tear on my vehicle, and it increases the further they are from me. If the person chickens out last minute, or if they were a fake to begin with and never intended to meet (but oddly still decided to pay the upfront in order to get their rocks off over scamming me), this at least covers me for the hour there and the hour back from a what-I'd-make-at-the-lowest-paying-of-my-day-jobs-in-the-film-industry perspective.
 
It's more if the client wants me to travel further specifically for them. The drive from Toronto to Rochester isn't a short one, for example (dang lake's in the way, heh). A guy asked recently and I quoted him a $100 pre-payment, otherwise he'd need to wait until the next time I'm in Buffalo or passing through. If someone in another province or country wants to see me but doesn't wanna pay anything in advance, I politely decline and tell them that hopefully we can meet when/if I happen to be staying in their city some day.
 
If it's for an overnight and I already know them well (I have a few regular clients in my province who I drive 2 to 4 hours for), no travel fee is implemented.
 
There were a few posts here that seemed to be mixing the meaning of what constitutes an advance payment.
 
I can understand avoiding pre-payment in full (or ANY, if your escort is local to you) before you've even seen the guy, but some of you don't believe in paying the escort when they arrive at your door or hotel room ? Don't tons of other escorts (the majority?) refuse to do business if they're not paid upon entering ? Or at least SHOWN that the cash is on hand and have had it set down on the night stand or elsewhere and they simply don't touch it until the session is over ?
 
Sorry, but I've been ripped off twice -- once by my original/longest [at the time] client, randomly/weirdly (we got to the end of the session and he said abruptly/with his head down, "I don't have it, I don't have it!"), and he's requested my services since then, without agreeing with me that he first needs to make up for the free session he tricked me into...and another time by a new guy I spent 15 minutes with before remembering to ask for payment (that guy got some kissing and a bit of a shoulder massage outta me before I wised up). I asked to at least SEE that he had the money, even if he put it back in his wallet and locked his wallet in a safe after or something, and he STILL refused. And he started saying, "Yyyep! That's right, you can leave," as I was putting my shoes back on, "You just missed out on $240 buddy!" (talking Canadian rates, in that case)
 
Twice-bitten, doubly shy.
 
I'm not gonna get naked with a client and then potentially NOT get paid.
 
Re: "don't you want a tip?" Fair point, but that's kinda disingenuous. You CAN tip after the session is over, if you feel like doing so/if you think things went so well that he deserves one, even if you paid him his hourly or overnight at the outset. There's no rule saying it needs to be all in one stack, in the same handover.
 
I never expect a tip. They're bonuses. My day's already awesome by getting paid to keep you company, massage you, and/or be your companion, travel-and/or-cuddle-buddy for the hour/the day/the weekend...a tip is gravy. You know what's just as valuable to me as a $20 to $100 tip ? A nice review. If you're not in the habit of tipping cash or if money's tight, you providing a review for me is huge.

There're liars on both sides and it sucks that a minority of swindlers (on the escort side) and time-wasters (on the potential-client-but-let's-face-it-that-prankster-was-never-actually-gonna-become-a-client side) cause us to be less trustful of each other.
 
The first half of 2019 was the Year of Fakes, Flakes, Scammers and Pranksters, oddly, for me. Thankfully it tapered off.
 
But yeah, if I'm driving any further than 45 minutes anywhere for a client, I ask for a $40 USD pre-payment via e-transfer or PayPal (and now I realize I can use Western Union as well and started to a few weeks ago) to cover me for gas, travel time, and wear & tear on my vehicle, and it increases the further they are from me. If the person chickens out last minute, or if they were a fake to begin with and never intended to meet (but oddly still decided to pay the upfront in order to get their rocks off over scamming me), this at least covers me for the hour there and the hour back from a what-I'd-make-at-the-lowest-paying-of-my-day-jobs-in-the-film-industry perspective.
 
It's more if the client wants me to travel further specifically for them. The drive from Toronto to Rochester isn't a short one, for example (dang lake's in the way, heh). A guy asked recently and I quoted him a $100 pre-payment, otherwise he'd need to wait until the next time I'm in Buffalo or passing through. If someone in another province or country wants to see me but doesn't wanna pay anything in advance, I politely decline and tell them that hopefully we can meet when/if I happen to be staying in their city some day.
 
If it's for an overnight and I already know them well (I have a few regular clients in my province who I drive 2 to 4 hours for), no travel fee is implemented.
 
There were a few posts here that seemed to be mixing the meaning of what constitutes an advance payment.
 
I can understand avoiding pre-payment in full (or ANY, if your escort is local to you) before you've even seen the guy, but some of you don't believe in paying the escort when they arrive at your door or hotel room ? Don't tons of other escorts (the majority?) refuse to do business if they're not paid upon entering ? Or at least SHOWN that the cash is on hand and have had it set down on the night stand or elsewhere and they simply don't touch it until the session is over ?
 
Sorry, but I've been ripped off twice -- once by my original/longest [at the time] client, randomly/weirdly (we got to the end of the session and he said abruptly/with his head down, "I don't have it, I don't have it!"), and he's requested my services since then, without agreeing with me that he first needs to make up for the free session he tricked me into...and another time by a new guy I spent 15 minutes with before remembering to ask for payment (that guy got some kissing and a bit of a shoulder massage outta me before I wised up). I asked to at least SEE that he had the money, even if he put it back in his wallet and locked his wallet in a safe after or something, and he STILL refused. And he started saying, "Yyyep! That's right, you can leave," as I was putting my shoes back on, "You just missed out on $240 buddy!" (talking Canadian rates, in that case)
 
Twice-bitten, doubly shy.
 
I'm not gonna get naked with a client and then potentially NOT get paid.
 
Re: "don't you want a tip?" Fair point, but that's kinda disingenuous. You CAN tip after the session is over, if you feel like doing so/if you think things went so well that he deserves one, even if you paid him his hourly or overnight at the outset. There's no rule saying it needs to be all in one stack, in the same handover.
 
I never expect a tip. They're bonuses. My day's already awesome by getting paid to keep you company, massage you, and/or be your companion, travel-and/or-cuddle-buddy for the hour/the day/the weekend...a tip is gravy. You know what's just as valuable to me as a $20 to $100 tip ? A nice review. If you're not in the habit of tipping cash or if money's tight, you providing a review for me is huge.

There're liars on both sides and it sucks that a minority of swindlers (on the escort side) and time-wasters (on the potential-client-but-let's-face-it-that-prankster-was-never-actually-gonna-become-a-client side) cause us to be less trustful of each other.
 
The first half of 2019 was the Year of Fakes, Flakes, Scammers and Pranksters, oddly, for me. Thankfully it tapered off.
 
But yeah, if I'm driving any further than 45 minutes anywhere for a client, I ask for a $40 USD pre-payment via e-transfer or PayPal (and now I realize I can use Western Union as well and started to a few weeks ago) to cover me for gas, travel time, and wear & tear on my vehicle, and it increases the further they are from me. If the person chickens out last minute, or if they were a fake to begin with and never intended to meet (but oddly still decided to pay the upfront in order to get their rocks off over scamming me), this at least covers me for the hour there and the hour back from a what-I'd-make-at-the-lowest-paying-of-my-day-jobs-in-the-film-industry perspective.
 
It's more if the client wants me to travel further specifically for them. The drive from Toronto to Rochester isn't a short one, for example (dang lake's in the way, heh). A guy asked recently and I quoted him a $100 pre-payment, otherwise he'd need to wait until the next time I'm in Buffalo or passing through. If someone in another province or country wants to see me but doesn't wanna pay anything in advance, I politely decline and tell them that hopefully we can meet when/if I happen to be staying in their city some day.
 
If it's for an overnight and I already know them well (I have a few regular clients in my province who I drive 2 to 4 hours for), no travel fee is implemented.
 
There were a few posts here that seemed to be mixing the meaning of what constitutes an advance payment.
 
I can understand avoiding pre-payment in full (or ANY, if your escort is local to you) before you've even seen the guy, but some of you don't believe in paying the escort when they arrive at your door or hotel room ? Don't tons of other escorts (the majority?) refuse to do business if they're not paid upon entering ? Or at least SHOWN that the cash is on hand and have had it set down on the night stand or elsewhere and they simply don't touch it until the session is over ?
 
Sorry, but I've been ripped off twice -- once by my original/longest [at the time] client, randomly/weirdly (we got to the end of the session and he said abruptly/with his head down, "I don't have it, I don't have it!"), and he's requested my services since then, without agreeing with me that he first needs to make up for the free session he tricked me into...and another time by a new guy I spent 15 minutes with before remembering to ask for payment (that guy got some kissing and a bit of a shoulder massage outta me before I wised up). I asked to at least SEE that he had the money, even if he put it back in his wallet and locked his wallet in a safe after or something, and he STILL refused. And he started saying, "Yyyep! That's right, you can leave," as I was putting my shoes back on, "You just missed out on $240 buddy!" (talking Canadian rates, in that case)
 
Twice-bitten, doubly shy.
 
I'm not gonna get naked with a client and then potentially NOT get paid.
 
Re: "don't you want a tip?" Fair point, but that's kinda disingenuous. You CAN tip after the session is over, if you feel like doing so/if you think things went so well that he deserves one, even if you paid him his hourly or overnight at the outset. There's no rule saying it needs to be all in one stack, in the same handover.
 
I never expect a tip. They're bonuses. My day's already awesome by getting paid to keep you company, massage you, and/or be your companion, travel-and/or-cuddle-buddy for the hour/the day/the weekend...a tip is gravy. You know what's just as valuable to me as a $20 to $100 tip ? A nice review. If you're not in the habit of tipping cash or if money's tight, you providing a review for me is huge.

I mean hey, I'll come to NYC for ya once every month or two (or however often) if that's all the criteria you need met. ? (ya didn't say whether ya want him jacked or not)
 
Just got my passport...
 
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There are some good guys who need a way to reassure themselves because for outcalls sometimes clients give fake addresses and they have to drive tens of miles to a no show. And then there are swindlers like JamesATL .
 
I think someone needs to start an escrow service so that both parties feel reassured.

Just talk to the guy you're interested in. Ask questions in the most direct manner possible, in a way that makes it less easy for him to simply tell you what you wanna hear. People can always lie, but on the safe sex and HIV status front, I find the vast majority of people are honest (ie, those I've gotten to know don't later reveal that they lied to get in my pants).

I agree. Not so much with the notion that an escort's sexual activities with others (in private or business) are necessarily any business of the prospective client. But this is an entirely different context. The whole point of an ad is to market the services one offers to clientele in order to convince them to hire that provider. It's confusing, to say the least, for an escort to post pics and/or videos of certain activities on his ad if those activities are never included in the services offered to the clients. One could even go so far as to say that it's deceptive and manipulative.
 
That being said, just cheking the "safe only" box isn't particularly helpful, nor is it all that definitive, because there's no such thing as "safe sex," but only "SAFER sex," and what constitutes the latter is open to multiple interpretations. That's why it's important to discuss safer sex practices with all sexual partners, not just escorts, to determine the level of risk with which one is comfortable.
 
We should also keep in mind that just because an escort advertises a particular activity, or is known to participate in it from porn or other media, doesn't mean that he will insist that his clients also partake in that. Several years ago I met with BB porn star Peto Coast, and not only was he perfectly fine with using condoms, but he supplied his own extra large preferred brand, checked on me several times throughout the session, and replaced with new condoms multiple times. It was an in-call session, so the fact that he kept such ample supplies on hand leads me to believe that accommodating safer sex practices was his standard operating practice. IMHO, he went above and beyond to respect my limits, and make me feel safe and comfortable.

In my early days on Gaydar, I remember one guy who said, 'I only top in hook-ups but I'm totally vers in a relationship'. I think that provides a clue. My take is that these guys' rule is that they are prepared to engage only in safer sex when they are being hired. They are not talking about what they may do in their private lives or what they may do or have done on film (so don't assume that they are). It's a pick list on a form, not a detailed discussion of what safer sex means and what they will agree to do in any circumstance. We read our own interpretation into their responses at our peril. In addition, there is always the possibility that what they put in their ad is a starting point rather than a final position.

Sometimes access to someone who doesn’t escort costs $1000. That’s what it takes to make that individual do it.

Shampoo. Rinse. Repeat. This thread is a tale as old as time.
 
I believe it's easier to let people spend their money how they wish and not make critical comments about doing so.
 
If a client wants to spend $1k an hour, so be it. If the escort can get his rate, thumbs up to him.

1) What you charge and what you get....are often two different things.
 
2) Any one with money can spend it foolishly. That’s their prerogative.
 
3) Fish Tales abound on both sides of this hobby.

I don’t hire $1k an hour guys. But me not hiring doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

I’ll bet the bedroom walls could be painted, if nothing.

Its always been easy for me because I like going to the gym and I enjoy training. I got my first gym membership when I was about 22 and I've been going ever since. Even though I like training a very large part of my romance with gyms and health clubs is that I love being around sweaty men. That low-level erotic charge is very energizing.

Totally agree. But in fact, the OP isn’t insisting on a PT who can both train and fuck him, but just wants a trainer open to discussing the sexual and psychological issues that bring the OP into the gym. That may be as difficult a pairing to find, and to maintain, as the PT/hooker combo. But I absolutely sympathize with the OP’s goals—for me, losing weight and getting fit, past a certain point, became rather less about health, and rather more about creating (or recreating) a body better suited to giving and receiving sexual pleasure. To paraphrase the late, great Anthony Bourdain, in late middle age I have come to realize that my body is not a temple, it’s an amusement park; and for me, the fitter I am, the more I enjoy the ride ...

Whan I first started hiring, I found a local escort who also did personal training. Each Tuesday afternoon, we would do an hour in the gym and an hour in the sack and usually a lunch afterwards. Since it was a regular weekly appointment, which lasted for more than a year, he gave me a great rate and we became good friends. so much so that when he broke up with his girlfriend and found himself without a place to stay, he moved in for a few weeks until he found an apartment.
Unfortunately, this story has a sad ending. RIP John still missing your infectious smile 12 years later.