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Just set up something fairly easily.  Nothing elaborate.  But the basics took 20 texts.  And that didn't include any pics or clarifications or language issues.  Plus we have a reconfirm  set of texts that will happen the day before.  Quick and easy, but ... 10?  Sorry. 
If I know them, then there is relationship building chit-chat to make.  If I don't know them, then there is trust and repour building chit-chat.
As long as the conversation moves on to the next proper step, and we knock down potential obstacles, then sure...text me.

Just set up something fairly easily.  Nothing elaborate.  But the basics took 20 texts.  And that didn't include any pics or clarifications or language issues.  Plus we have a reconfirm  set of texts that will happen the day before.  Quick and easy, but ... 10?  Sorry. 
If I know them, then there is relationship building chit-chat to make.  If I don't know them, then there is trust and repour building chit-chat.
As long as the conversation moves on to the next proper step, and we knock down potential obstacles, then sure...text me.

Respect for offer the money.  And respect to them for refusing.
It would be about whether I wanted to make it work next time, or write it off.
I would have felt appropriate to either (a) leave some portion for his recognition of the issue, and make an attempt re-schedule, or (b) accept that you won't see him and respect his wishes with a "Thank You."
 

I see it from both angles.
Since you had successful meetings with the client, that is a positive note.  But this no show no communicate is a real negative note.
I guess it comes down to client-value.  If you feel this client still has value and you're okay dealing with occasional missed appointments, then factor that into your price.  You could say, the next meeting would be 150% of norm, or ask him for the missed appointment cost.  If he baulks, then you know his value better.
Or if you think the behavior is unacceptable, call him out on it.  You could say, while we had good meeting before, a no-show no-communication is not acceptable.
But the overall double booking is going to continue in the marketplace.  When setting things up via apps and texts, there is a time gap.  Since the working out of scheduling is never an easy item, you should expect clients to attempt double booking or tentative booking.  Just as I used to do as a service provider.  I used a reconfirm process to adjust things and make sure it never caused client issues.

I’m one of the few who offer 1/2 hr service. However, it’s just for massage, and not a full body massage, at that. And I charge a slight premium for it. It’s usually just my leg and lower body routine (most popular), or neck and shoulders, or specifics per client request.
I’m with you guys on the overnight situation. I don’t do very well sharing a bed with anyone, not even my partner. Cuddling is fine, but when it’s time to sleep, I prefer having plenty of my own space, ideally in a separate room. This is why I discourage clients hiring me for overnights, but I will do it for the right fee if they absolutely must have that experience…of me snoring, and being grouchy in my sleep, tossing and turning, hogging the blanket, being too hot, and morning breath and seeing me in a sleep mask, etc. Ugh. My value is in my waking hours. Unless you want to keep me up all night. Then I will really have a peachy and lively attitude for you to enjoy by 5am! I’ve thought about calling these a BDSM session because it’s basically torture for the client 😂 

Exactly.  It is good business to make it about the total-value of the customer, instead of the transactional-value.

In my experience as soon as you start discounting (whether that’s offering reduced rates for regulars or students or whatever) the discounted rate becomes the new ‘floor’ for your standard hour rate. It bleeds to other clients and then becomes the expectation. So I have a simple rule: no discounts ever.  The rate is the rate, that’s it and it’s not a matter for discussion. The sooner the conversation moves from ‘how much’ to ‘this is what I like / want’ the better. I like to minimise the transactional nature of the meeting because it doesn’t help with creating the right atmosphere. 

Coming at this from a masseur perspective. I offer discounts or run temporary specials for massage and spa services. Things like:
Day of the week discount
Referral discounts
Active duty military, student/youth, airline workers, first responders, etc 
%off for couples massages for a limited time, etc
Book 4 spa services, get one of them free, or similar
….among many others
Masseur Finder encourages these kinds of specials and discounts and rewards listing rank when you list them, so I keep it as consistent as possible across platforms, or when people ask for deals.
Rarely do clients take advantage of my standing referral discount. That’s my best one for them and the most costly to me. It’s 50% off the referring client’s next massage, and 50% off the referral client’s first massage. That’s essentially giving away a whole massage. BUT it’s valuable to me in the long term because the referrals often become regular clients, and they tend to be better clients in general. In the short term, both the referral and referring clients both tend to tip generously anyways because they’re so happy to get such a deep discount, so it offsets the initial loss quite a bit. Win-win-win!
Added benefit: buzz. The referral client and referring client speak positively about my work with one another, which reinforces both of their loyalty, and encourages them to refer others or speak positively about me to others. They feel invested in my success and also in the benefit of other people enjoying my work. They feel they have given something valuable to their friends, acquaintances, and loved ones, and feel good about it. I love referrals. Too bad so few take advantage, but when they do, it pays off.
For traditional provider services (not massage or spa), I don’t discount. Not at all. Clients ask and pressure me. Or worse, they want the world for a massage price. Not happening. I say no and move on. I don’t want those clients. You can’t commodify this type of work. For it to be worth my time and effort, I set my fees accordingly. Also, most of my business is massage anyway. I don’t rely exclusively on the other work for my livelihood, it’s just another service I do for clients that want to hire me under equitable rates for it.
Currently I’m at $300/hr and $500/ two hours. $1000 for up to five hours (not overnight). Don’t quote me two years later. That’s what it is now. Longer periods are negotiable, but I rarely do them. The $1k rate is more of a traditional escort service that usually includes event attendance, meals, drinks, or entertainment, etc. in addition to whatever happens privately.

try calling a provider & not paying - then see what happens 
it’s always about money no matter how much folks may want to obscure it with all kinds of sideways happy talk 
sure - it can be lovely experience and it can seem romantic, natural & bfe.  you can discretely pay in an envelope or Zelle if that makes you feel better, but you’re paying for a service any way you slice it 
there’s no shame around any part of this - I think it’s way healthier to normalize the provider/client financial transaction without any need to make it something else or obscure it. The need to justify it in some other way means there is shame or other stigma attached by one of the participants.
 

Tl/dr: it depends on the type of service sought if 10 messages is sufficient to setup a satisfactory meetup
 
For some meetups 10 messages is sufficient. For others, it’s not. Depending on what you’re looking for, if a provider thinks they know everything he needs to know in less than 10 messages in order to deliver a quality experience, he well might not be the right provider. No provider is entitled to a booking from any client. Some escorts will take the time to understand specific requests while others aren’t looking to fulfill specific requests. It’s also unlikely a provider who thinks 10 messages or less to understand special requests is going to take the time or appreciate reading lengthy explanatory texts, so as to cut down on the number of messages.
 

I'm not sure how I feel about this.  I understand that the provider's time is worth consideration.  And, many a provider has been scammed or had their time wasted.
But, at the same time, the client is dealing with an unknown factor.  When booking an experience, a client doesn't want to end up feeling disappointed.  Many a client has been scammed.  They need to work through to make sure the provider is a good choice.
10 texts... hmmmm...  
I'm not sure how to quantify "serious" in this context.  Does it mean "if the client is booking" or "if the client is considering booking" or "if the client could be persuaded to book"?
I guess everyone has their own opinions.

Thank you.
It is a pleasure to hear that I'm not the only one who reads the un-intended messaging.
I've been a service provider and a client.  I find that my expectations, as a client, need to be managed.  If you set an appointment up, then my expectations are that we'll meet.   The excuse of not meeting is nice, but it does not fulfill the service expectation.

It's a way to avoid timewasters even though they usually don't even bother reading it stats, dates of travel, etc.
Let's remember that now in the era of texting an "inquiry" could take half an hour of texting instead of talking for just a couple of minutes and actually getting a feeling. 

I’m always serious when I inquire. This statement actually means “don’t contact me unless you will book me regardless.” 

I think most aren’t good at the business/marketing end of the business.  just like artists who struggle with the business side when they are essentially creative people 
there are exceptions and those guys are easily identified by their longevity & good reputations.  
my sense is lots of people come & go - and some may go in only as a short term thing  

So far, he seems like a nice guy.  He's polite in our chat back and forth.  Strongly considering, but if anyone has more info, please...

His special for half hour and quickies/GH action where he doesn't have to travel, type of scene.

@youngboldone I am not vilifying you.
 
CDC site has been put up before and the topic has been well discussed.


https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/prep.html
https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/prevention.html
 
Here are additional sites:


https://www.poz.com/article/condom-PrEP-efficacy-26766-8889
https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/hiv-prevention/using-hiv-medication-to-reduce-risk/pre-exposure-prophylaxis
https://aidsinfo.nih.gov/understanding-hiv-aids/fact-sheets/20/48/the-basics-of-hiv-prevention
http://www.catie.ca/en/fact-sheets/prevention/condoms
https://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/3100.aspx?CategoryID=118
http://www.who.int/hiv/topics/condoms/en/
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp068111#t=article
https://www.aidschicago.org/resources/legacy/condoms/ltoyw_fact.pdf
http://www.unaids.org/en/resources/presscentre/featurestories/2015/july/20150702_condoms_prevention
Within each are reference material down to the studies and published works that support each of the articles.

You're talking about multiple issues and attempting to justify your actions after the fact. Two wrongs don't make it right. The ends shouldn't justify the means.
 
The provider used false advertising. Not just sales puffery, but false advertising. Stretching the truth, using slightly outdated pics, using camera angles to hide things, that's sales puffery. Using someone else's information or pics, that false advertising and fraud. That's on him.
 
You found out about it and allowed yourself to be played the victim. That's on you. (You got lucky that he gave a good massage.)
 
Does the massage trump the fraud? Not in my books.
Where is this 'confidence game' heading?
How can you trust this person to not bait and switch you in the future?
Instead of a good massage, how about a robbery instead?
 
I'd say you should go play the lottery while you're still lucky.

Like @BaronArtz says☝️

As a client, I don't like negotiating. When I see a provider asking an exorbitant price, I just move on.
 
I like it better when a provider competes on looks and service, not price.

http://Http://www.Rentmen.eu/Justineros
 
Any info?

Thank you. From my perspective, this is so true. To make a relationship work, both people have to be open and honest with themselves and each other. There needs to be good communication.
 
In the rented relationship, both people become aware of the expectations, and the fear of rejection is limited by the cash. Knowing that, clients are willing to open up more to their inner needs/feelings and a receptive escort can make the choice to share or not. The structure of the 'date' is about discovery of the client, and satisfying their needs. If they are open, and you are satisfying their needs, over time, it becomes reciprocal.
 
In the app world, it is very easy to be rejected and the structure of the 'date' is selfish. Each person want to be the one satisfied. There is no need to open up and be vulnerable. You have no reason to work on communication or learn more about the other person. So, it is more difficult.
 
Just my tuppence.

I always try to follow up after someone has viewed my ad thanking them for viewing it. Even if they don't respond at least I reached out.
 
Keenan

Totally agree. If I were on the fence and you reached out to me, that might just be the spark needed to get things started. At the very least, you would seem more approachable to me. I also feel that it signifies you are interested in me as a potential client.
 
I acknowledge you might have a few people out there that would get offended by it, but why the fuck would they leave profile visibility on if that were the case? They could simply turn it off and never have to worry about it.