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You may well be right @jjkrkwood. You like legs and I like a muscleboy-torso. I guess that if he is truly so gorgeous, his rate will not deter plenty of takers in NYC. Incidentally, I can recall a couple of drop-dead gorgeous muscleboys from LA, who were eager to please in and out of bed. Each charged $350 an hour some 8-10 years ago. Their policy was to have fewer clients but multihour bookings; when I asked about overnight dates, each guy’s rate was reasonable.

Why worry about his legs? When they’re resting on your shoulders, you’ll be looking at his face and torso. In my view, he’s a looker. If I were in the market, I’d hire him.

I met him a couple of times when he was younger. It was socially and in company. He certainly does not define as gay. I found him attractive when he was young, but he’s bulked up to an absurd degree, in my opinion, as he’s got older. There was certainly a lot of talk then of him being very discreet and G4P.

Good for you @Rick M. Many young people are unfairly characterized. Playing with a younger man is not only pleasurable but it’s also quite an ego-boost.

That ass is crying out to be topped vigorously

A slight curve in towards the stomach is often prized by bottoms. Yes, my dick has that and I’ve heard the comment from 2 different bottoms. But @tassojunior true Peyronie’s is rather rare. I certainly don’t believe the 10% figure quoted. I’ve only seen it once in my life. It was the only flaw in the physique of a handsome muscleboy: the top part of his dick was bent outwards at what seemed like 90 degrees. It didn’t bother me as I topped him, but he said it often frightened bottoms when he wanted to top. As he put it, “when I fuck, you know you’ve been fucked”

Short answer: it varies...and it varied a lot. Long answer: it’s a long game, more of a courtship in some ways, and typically you’ll exchange lots of messages and phone calls before you meet. If the model replied (ie was interested enough), I’d suggest drinks and dinner wherever they wanted. Models always know where they want to go and eat, and be seen or perhaps not be seen. If that first date was great, I’d invite them home for breakfast. Some needed a couple of dates before they came home with me. Some proved uninteresting. No matter how the first date went, I always offered some compensation for their time. It demonstrated that I was serious and generous. No-one ever refused. If the first date was a disaster, I offered cab fare home (ie $40-50). If the guy was very keen but had other plans that night, I’d schedule a second date and discreetly give him $100 ”for being such good company” - I was never stood up on a second date. Once the model and I had proved compatible in bed, I’d simply ask what continuing support they needed. The requests by models were over a wide range: a new iPhone, help with their monthly rent, paying a specific bill, spending money etc. Overall, I’ve had great experiences. And just as with working guys, ’price’ had little relation to quality and satisfaction. I’d go so far as to say that those delivering the most in (and out of) bed often asked for comparatively little.

My view is that - if you want to be taken seriously - your message must be professional and somewhat discreet. Do not assume that they escort; even if they have an OnlyFans page, it’s quite a leap to meeting another man for mutual play. I had some success. I used to enquire if they were open to having private meetings with an older man. I stated that I enjoy having fun with an athletic, good looking guy and that I always play safe. I added that I‘m happy to support a nice young man . I think it’s important not to be crass. Do not include a request for more photos nor for more revealing pics. Some of these guys get lots of messages, and they ignore most. I met some gay guys and some str8 models who were happy to do all that I enjoy.

Fascinating exchange of views. I know that US culture is very different from European culture, but I thought that here the OP was the host and his companion was the guest. The emphasis should have been on looking after the guest. I feel that displaying and insisting on using the coupon was simply tacky. Alas the real world is messy. And in my opinion @Smurof, you did not handle this well. You did not say that you first asked your companion if you might sort this out before the meal. I agree with both @MikeBiDude and @spider If you must use a coupon, do so discreetly when paying. Exactly @IndyGuy ! I entertain friends to dinner in restaurants often. Towards the end of the meal, I check that nothing further is wanted, and then I excuse myself from the table to get the check/bill and discreetly pay at the service desk. The only times I pay at a restaurant table are when I’m having dinner with my longstanding boyfriend, but then he even knows the security code for my credit card.

If this is your ‘fantasy man’ @Skip, why not keep your fantasy intact? Your dreams are bound to be more alluring than the reality. People often tell me I look fit and younger than my age, but I would never sleep with a man of my age!

Fascinating. Thanks for posting @WilliamM As an aside, I’ve read various good reviews of Cairo’s volumes on LBJ. But I wonder whether they truly are worth reading by a non-American? I’m a voracious reader and I buy books regularly, but I find I have so many books to read already...

Very true @WilliamM It is the same in general terms. Obviously if like the OP you aim to make friends with a view to “benefits”, you have to be sure the other man Is gay and not just gay-friendly. That’s why I found the gym fruitful. I was known to be gay and a nice guy, so I had a mix of gym-friends - some str8, some gay and some just relaxed about being friends with a gay man. I guess the OP will have to invest some time and energy in making friends. I didn’t really understand his reference to the “Rentafriend site” as I certainly don’t imagine the OP thinks it’s a way to meet an escort on the cheap, but I guess that if you befriend another gay man, you may find it develops and you have a friend-with-benefits.

Very true @WilliamM It is the same in general terms. Obviously if like the OP you aim to make friends with a view to “benefits”, you have to be sure the other man Is gay and not just gay-friendly. That’s why I found the gym fruitful. I was known to be gay and a nice guy, so I had a mix of gym-friends - some str8, some gay and some just relaxed about being friends with a gay man. I guess the OP will have to invest some time and energy in making friends. I didn’t really understand his reference to the “Rentafriend site” as I certainly don’t imagine the OP thinks it’s a way to meet an escort on the cheap, but I guess that if you befriend another gay man, you may find it develops and you have a friend-with-benefits.

I don’t think so @jimmyLA but I feel it’s key to find the right person and become friends (as you put it, “guy friends”) first. Look for someone who enjoys the same activities as you or shares the same interests, and you can build a relationship from there. Over the years I’ve had 2 such relationships. The first is someone with whom I had exactly the type of friendship you describe: we had the gym in common (met there, worked out together, I invited him for a meal). We had sex occasionally after the gym. I invited him on (non-sexual) dates and we had a couple of vacations together. The second was someone who was my physical ideal and sexually we were utterly compatible, so lust was what we had in common. Tho we tried sharing various other activities, sexual dates were far and away the best for both of us. I’ve stayed friends with both men. I’ve been very clear that when I have an exclusive boyfriend, I don’t cheat on him. Both men seem fine with this and when I’m single, I have 2 nice guys to meet and if they want, we play together.

I don’t think so @jimmyLA but I feel it’s key to find the right person and become friends (as you put it, “guy friends”) first. Look for someone who enjoys the same activities as you or shares the same interests, and you can build a relationship from there. Over the years I’ve had 2 such relationships. The first is someone with whom I had exactly the type of friendship you describe: we had the gym in common (met there, worked out together, I invited him for a meal). We had sex occasionally after the gym. I invited him on (non-sexual) dates and we had a couple of vacations together. The second was someone who was my physical ideal and sexually we were utterly compatible, so lust was what we had in common. Tho we tried sharing various other activities, sexual dates were far and away the best for both of us. I’ve stayed friends with both men. I’ve been very clear that when I have an exclusive boyfriend, I don’t cheat on him. Both men seem fine with this and when I’m single, I have 2 nice guys to meet and if they want, we play together.

Very cute...Jakub when he was young. Chunky now he’s older. And @Oliver you have him in your “Soaked” selection right now too!

I don’t think it’s common. I wonder if it came about because you were on your back, legs up and as you say he was pounding away hard...so your abs would have been tensed for a long time.

Yes, I have shared my experiences in hiring with several close friends. There’s no reason to be ashamed. And it can be helpful to discuss private concerns with good friends. i was not being “negative” and I was polite to you. I felt your post was ‘making a mountain out of a molehill‘. This is your post in essence: You are in LA to look at houses to buy; You tried to arrange a date; You told the guy you wanted a couple of specific things; He wanted to charge extra to do so; You declined to pay extra, so there was no date. I bet this has happened at least once, and perhaps several times, to everyone on this forum. Or indeed to everyone who has ever tried to arrange a date with a working guy.

Woof!

Very interesting thread @WilliamM. Thanks for posting the review. i saw the opera a few years ago at the Teatro Colon in Buenos Aires. The orchestral playing was superb but the production itself was bizarre, with some very racist overtones injected (and I wasn’t sure if this was a reference to the anti-Semitism of the time).

I mean this politely @Unicorn but why do you feel the need to broadcast every little aspect of your life? Don’t you have a friend you could call and meet for a coffee, then laugh about this? I think it might be more helpful for you.

He’s a beauty. It‘s a pity his cock is small

I’m not an escort but I’m sure @Keenan is right about communication. What may help you have a great first date in real life is if you convey clearly what you find attractive, romantic and sexy. I’m guessing that you must have seen some gay porn at least... For instance, I have a passion for handsome men and good underwear. I will be undressing a good looking man and I find it sexy if he’s in tight white briefs. I still recall fondly a blond muscleboy-bottom who noticed my passion and told me he shared it. Before each further date, he used to call me and ask what I wanted him to wear: jockstrap or briefs, coloured or white. He said it excited him on the way to me that I’d be horny at the prospect of stripping him. Similarly, I enjoy lots of things but I really like foreplay with lots of kissing, using tongue, and I really enjoy being sucked off. The same goes for sexual positions; I like to top but I don’t like a guy sitting on top of me. There must be some activities that you find more arousing than others, and some sexual activities that you definitely want to explore so mention them specifically beforehand. I don’t want you to miss out on something you’d enjoy simply because you’re too diffident to mention it to the guy you’ve chosen. I hope you have a wonderful time with him.

I’m not concerned about security staff and the screening process at airports. I take the same view of them as I do of staff in an hotel - whatever you worry about, they’ve seen it all before.

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