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That’s him. I wonder how he makes a living nowadays. No disrespect to P Fusco as I always wonder that about goodlooking young men, with no visible means of support, as they age into their 40s

Thank you @Xavitv. I hadn’t heard of that before, so I consulted urbandictionary.com

My view as a former client is that I don’t mind a little, polite negotiation. Especially as I enjoy a broad range of activities, I emphasise that my interests comprise a menu (not a checklist). If no rate was stated, I’d ask what’s a fair rate for you. The one pricing strategy I cannot stand, and always walked away from, is a stated rate but the escort tries to ‘up-sell’ me and charge for extras. I cannot abide being asked to pay more for kissing, or more for deep French-kissing, or being told Yes you can cum in my mouth but it’s extra to swallow…

I admire your taste @JoeMendoza. I understand ILF but what does Z represent? is Daniel a Zulu or a Zoologist by any chance?

I remember him from years ago. He used to escort for a while (IIRC using Levi as his name in Key West) and I think he moved to live in Spain.

I remember him from years ago. He used to escort for a while (IIRC using Levi as his name in Key West) and I think he moved to live in Spain.

Not a problem @Filesum. It’s always good to find out that a handsome young man is earning a decent commercial return on his muscled body.

What a Beautiful Boy! Why is there no emoji for “Woof!”?

Have you asked him if he can suggest a replacement @savantsav? My experience when I had similar needs for personal training and “extras” - some years ago, when visiting Sydney and London - was that trainers in a big gym always knew which of them was willing to do more. I met my regular trainer in Sydney at a muscleboy party and he was happy to oblige. Once when he was going to be away, he fixed me up with a nice young blond trainer as a replacement. Alternatively I suggest you be discreet and straightforward and have a quiet talk with a trainer who interests you. If you offer $50 as a tip for their advice, they won’t take offence and you may get some useful information

To me, he looks like an older and scruffier version of Ben Bowers. IIRC that was the male model who sued a male photographer and two male Abercrombie executives alleging that he’d been pressured/persuaded into sexual acts.

I can tell you @Becket that Stefan Edberg is a very friendly and pleasant person. I have had breakfast next to him several times in NYC (I always have the same table and he was seated next to me). We chatted amiably about tennis the first time and he continued to chat the following days. He was then the coach for Roger Federer to whom he introduced me.

Isn’t it amazing how teenagers look nowadays?

I wholeheartedly agree with the recommendation of @TruthBTold except for bingeing on ‘Pretend It’s A City’ I’ve rationed myself to one episode each evening, and we’ll watch the last one tonight. I think my favorite episode is where Fran talks about jazz and Charles Mingus.

It might be quite exciting to take him shopping for clothes such as classic white briefs. I’m a stickler for briefs fitting the body perfectly so I shall have to give him a very close and detailed inspection

Don’t jump to conclusions @Maximiliam. He may just be taking a break from work … Or he may be on a trip with a generous guy… Or he may have found an older man who wants exclusive access to that glorious body

I swear @jjkrkwood that I have seen so many pics of Nathan and his closet…yet he only ever appears in briefs or a jockstrap.

The news from Brazil of their suffering from Covid19 is terrible. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9150581/Brazilian-hospitals-run-oxygen-amid-new-coronavirus-strain-Amazon.html

Interesting thread @JamesMorris. At 50, I was just out of a dull LTR of 15 years. I happened to be lean and fit, and financially well-established. Before I settled into a LTR, I’d been a serial monogamist. So as a single man of 50, my sex life became turbo-charged. I explored the dating pool and as I travelled often, I hired several companions. As I like fit younger men, and discovered to my surprise that many like a fit older man, my sexual life became passionate and energetic. As I look back at 50 now (and review the photos I took), I can say that for me it was a golden time.

I’ve seen nothing in the UK and European media about either vaccine and transmissibility ( ie whether once vaccinated you may still transmit Covid19 to other people).

Not bad-ass nor cocky. Just a lovely young Brazilian who’s willing to share…

There’s no need for rudeness @samhexum. The answer to your question is obvious: I met him. This is, after all, a forum for gay men who enjoy meeting other men.

It is indeed Vince’s. I saw it in its full glory.

He might do more than keep you on a routine @samhexum. Vince is not too shy and he has an impressive cock. You may want to incorporate an incentive into your fitness regime…

While I can’t answer for @rustyrex, I can speak to having very similar arrangements. Years ago I came to LA for a date with a handsome muscleboy who was very much my type. He was very highly regarded (and well-reviewed) by others. I’m a top only and he was sexually versatile. His overnight rate was $1500. He’d apologized to me a month earlier when he “completely forgot” our overnight date in Santa Monica. He promised to make it up to me, and I figured everyone deserves a 2nd chance, so… The new date, as agreed with him, was to meet in an hotel in West Hollywood and play before dinner; then go out to eat locally; play again before sleeping and stay overnight. Despite my phoning him and confirming as soon as I’d checked into the hotel, it didn’t work out. He had memory problems again (to put it politely). But having been a Boy Scout I’d prepared: I’d made a back-up list of other guys to call. I made 3 phone calls and scheduled 3 good looking, muscleboys that night. One was an eager bottom before dinner, one was a very fun bodybuilder after dinner and the third was a skilled cocksucker who came over for a protein breakfast. The end result of having alternative plans was I saved about $600 and met 3 nice young men. Yes, the original muscleboy-flake did call me later and ask for a “second chance” - he couldn’t count either - and No, I wasn’t a fool.

To answer the OP: if I was single again and wanted to hire, there isn’t a rate I wouldn’t exceed. Based on my wide-ranging experiences in the past, I can say there is no correlation between price and pleasure on a superb date. I had very handsome men (enthusiastic amateurs) do everything but ask for little in return. One of the best physical specimens I dated had below-market rates for years because he didn’t advertise. Yet I also dated 2 men (separately, film actor and pornstar) who had high rates and statuesque physiques…both were as lively as statues in bed. The most beautiful men generally ask the highest rates. Certainly I can understand why guys pay extremely high rates for a man whom they lust over or who is their physical ideal. Sometimes you just have to “scratch that itch“ for a guy you want, no matter the price. I do wonder nowadays how anyone judges what a normal rate should be.