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I once explained compound arithmetic to a smart muscleboy. He was astounded.

What a silly boy. He doesn’t yet realise that, even if interested in a young man, any rich older man is not going to tolerate his drama and gamesmanship.

Yes, lying about an affair is “horrendous” as @TruthBTold noted. I have an ex-boyfriend, a glorious-looking muscleboy, who used to humiliate himself by having anonymous sex with strangers. For him, it had to be kinky, depraved sex that was secret and involved them using and abusing him. This was while we were supposedly a couple. When I found out, I confronted him and he denied it…until he confessed and started crying. I forgave him…and it happened again later, and I forgave him again…the next time I kicked him out.

I agree @WilliamM but nonetheless I shall be glued to the television for the French Open final tomorrow

I totally agree @Wolfer. I woke up this morning and read this…and thanks to @orville I’ve been transported back in time to the 19th Century and a romantic melodrama. Why be so nervous and retiring @orville? Do you think your “straight RMT” will have a fit of the vapours if he glimpses your burgeoning interest in him? I’m a massage addict and I’ve had hundreds over the years. Mostly male masseurs but I have always been naked…even when massaged in the open air at the beach. I say Enjoy the flirting for what it is - simple fun. Given that you strangely kept your pants on last time, just tell him I thought I’d get naked so you can really work on me; I hope that’s OK. He won’t object. Don’t be crass but when he leans into you and touches you or he uses his hands in ways you like, tell him so: say That feels good or Oh, that’s so nice. If you want more pressure in certain areas, just say so: I like that but you can go firmer/deeper if you like. And if his cock brushes against you, just sigh with pleasure. If he positions his cock near your hand, just brush against it lightly. Let him set the pace and the boundaries. I’ve had straight masseurs do more than usual, even tho or because they know I’m gay. One just brushed my cock lightly and I twitched responsively so he stroked me more and brought me off. Another guy worked on my thighs and stroked my perineum before bringing me to climax without touching my cock. A cute Israeli guy asked me if I wanted him to ”relieve my tension” and he kindly used a warm washcloth to clean me up afterwards. The oddest guy commented that I have a pretty cock and asked me if he could suck me off; afterwards he reassured me he wasn’t gay but he”loved the taste of cum”!

So true @friendofsheila. Where has the go-go boy work ethic gone? Nowadays they’re not professional. Only a few years back, go-go boys took pride in their appearance and presented the goods well. For many, there was a career path from go-go boy to occasional escort to professional companion, and finally to toyboy for an older man. Now there‘s so little career planning.

Well put @TruthBTold - “mannishly boyish top bottom”- To me, the guy resembles a young version of a French model, Charles-Laurent Marchand. It’s no secret that with age, he’s lost some hair and come out as an eager bottom.

I don’t know where you looked @zboss but I just used the Search function on Twitter and found him within seconds: jphadley96 Given that his recent Twitter feed shows him sucking cock, having his chest sprayed with cum and on his back getting fucked, I’d say your surmise is accurate @BaronArtz

He‘s young as you say @BaronArtz. My guess is that he’s also very new to this and still finding out how to handle prospective clients. Have you considered that he may simply have panicked? I mean he sent you nude pics (at your request?) and then you queried his age further. Had you reassured him that you were very serious about hiring and dating him?

It’s the only fetish worth having IMO @sf westcoaster. I too wear 2xist briefs occasionally, but I feel the sexy low-cut briefs from Team8 look best on a ripped muscleboy with a bubble-butt.

They’re both nice-looking, gay puppies

I just found it. “The Octopus in My House” was a documentary from BBC 2019/2020. The newly divorced biologist bought a female octopus and she bonded readily and played with his daughter. The tank for the octopus was positioned so she could see the TV. She proved a quick learner.

You make a fair point @former lurker but I guess many people may not have much in the way of excess income (or uninvested capital) to spend on this hobby.

Where are you based @builder boy ? If what you wrote earlier was to have him with you for 3 days (+ his travel time), I’d say his fee was in line with his hourly rate. I know for many it’s a lot of $ but just think of what intense pleasure you’d have…and the memories will keep you warm this coming Winter.

Thanks for posting this @Otto, I wasn’t aware of this. I’ll watch any movie about an octopus - such a fascinating and intelligent creature. I watched 2x an excellent documentary about a marine biologist in Alaska who had an octopus as a pet.

Me too. My guess is that he was so busy working in the US that he neglected to pay the IRS their share…

Hey @Imathrill, I sent you a Private Message. I hope you’ll continue to participate here. Don’t let one experience put you off this forum; most people are helpful and civil and there’s a lot of good information here.

Me: white briefs, usually Emporio Armani (softest cotton) or C-in2 (sexier style) Him: white or coloured briefs, usually Pump or C-in2, or a jockstrap for sex

I agree with @urbanfetish that safety is paramount. I’ve only been threatened once in years of dating. Strangely it was a guy I’d dated 3x before he asked me if he could stay overnight on our next date. Unbeknown to me, after dinner he took some drugs in the bathroom and he became aggressive. I handed over just enough cash to induce him to leave. Getting back to the OP’s question, it’s clear that there are a range of answers. It’s worth remembering that the OP @Imathrill is a newbie here. Generally speaking, most working guys are decent, pleasant and aim to please…but of course there are scammers and poor performers around too. As long as the OP was clear about what he wanted and expected, I feel the guy should perform as agreed; if he wanted to be topped, the guy going limp is a severe setback. I wonder what the guy offered by way of explanation: too many late nights, too many clients earlier? A fit, young working guy should be able to get and maintain an erection (or if need be, plan to use Cialis etc)…or he’s in the wrong line of work. As @marylander1940 wrote, I’m only a top and I always enjoyed dating enthusiastic bottoms. Perhaps I was lucky but when we were in bed, they all sported erections. And I really enjoyed seeing my guys cum; it enhanced my pleasure. I can only think of one muscleboy I dated regularly who couldn’t cum as I topped him (he explained he had this inability with everyone) - it didn’t bother me as he was so beautiful and eager to please me in other ways. (As for “shit happens”: luckily never in my bed. This may be TMI but once there was a small stain on a condom I’d used with a handsome young Italian. He was so mortified that he hadn’t douched sufficiently that I had to reassure him considerably)

There could be a number of reasons for him going limp on you. Unless he was a super-skilled oralist, I’d say it would have been reasonable to terminate immediately at the midpoint and pay half what was agreed.

The OF business is aimed at separating you from your cash, so I wouldn’t be surprised if OF wanted you to pay for the acknowledgment.

I don’t think anyone was being malicious @Rudynate. I confess I find it rather distasteful when avowedly str8 guys on OF tease and show parts of their bodies just to excite gay guys and get money from them. I imagine the craze for OF will decline but I also suspect some other craze will arise.

If it is really him, a Brazilian I know of tangentially and a sweet-natured boy with a beautiful physique, I’d say he’s worth $400. FWIW I know the Brazilian guy pictured was in Manhattan earlier this week. Funny how rates don’t change that much over the years. I recall that a similarly beautiful muscleboy in LA charged $350 (and $1500 overnight) some 12 years ago; he did it to limit the tremendous demand for his services.

Somehow I don’t think it’ll take 10years. There are more handsome guys and new muscleboys coming along constantly. I agree. I wonder what will replace OF in a couple of years, and whether even IG will last. Certainly the marketplace always demands “fresh meat”

Thanks @marylander1940. Charlie is a nice guy, very American. I‘d seen those pics (but I didn’t realise they were online); they sparked my interest in him a few years back. I guess everything comes out eventually.