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I recommend Vans sneakers (the favourite of skateboarders) @Doe Be Doe I’ve worn black Vans to dinners and events. They’re especially comfortable if you have to do a lot of walking or standing. Buy the all-black shoes in the ‘Ultracush’ range. Strangely the only people to comment on my shoes have been young men. I’ve had some interesting conversations as a result…

I’m quite confused @nycboi as to why you’ve started a second thread after your first on the same topic

Voyeurism and vicarious pleasure for me. What a great mix @Coolwave35

It’s never nice to be rejected but given the limited information, it’s hard to comment on the young man. He may be making plenty of money from OnlyFans. He may simply not want to meet older men in real life. I’m sure you were polite @Smurof but what made you feel he’d welcome your interest in him, expressed by email? When I hired, I too was an older man attracted to fit young men. I have catholic tastes but I was very particular, even fussy, about the physical appearance of the young men. If they didn’t advertise but had an online profile, I’d politely ask if they’d like to meet up and then I sent a current, clear photo. I could handle rejection too and just move on with a “Thanks anyway”. But if I had to reject the young man because he wasn’t interested in doing what I enjoyed, I’d say “Sorry but we’re not compatible. I’m sure you’ll find a much better match”.

And don’t forget San Francisco has Fleet Week. This year it’s October 3-11

Good for you @Sfojohn I took adult swimming lessons years ago, and I wore speedos (as did most of the other men). It was good fun overall. At first I had a poor teacher (who talked about “feeling the Zen of the water”) so I complained to the course-organiser and I asked to be taught by a hot guy I’d noticed. He was a nice guy, 23 who turned out to be on the Olympic swimming squad What I did was successful but I feel the key was I took it slowly. As the course was limited to 6 lessons, I asked the hot guy if he had time to teach me privately. I explained I wanted to improve and I needed close tuition in the pool 2x a week. I told him I was happy to pay cash and asked him for a rate; his request was modest. We went regularly for an hour’s training in the University pool. We’d meet beforehand, strip off together, swim and then shower together before getting dressed. My instinct was that he was str8 (that proved correct) but very fit with lots of testosterone and no girlfriend; he was also a student with little money. After 2 training sessions, I suggested coffee after our swim. He was chatty and good company, and he asked me questions. One day he introduced me at the pool to a friend who was also on the Olympic squad; the friend was equally attractive. Later I suggested we 3 go for a drink but he declined because of his intense training schedule. So I noted what evenings he trained with the squad and I suggested I take him out for dinner afterwards. He was sweet, saying he’d be exhausted but ravenous and he gladly accepted. What surprised me was that I did NOT have to make the first move. At our next session, in the showers afterward, he suggested we use the sauna. In there, he chatted about how it was OK as we were naked and alone, but on a Saturday evening the sauna would be full of fit, horny guys. He asked me if I was bothered by that. I smiled and said No, it’s fine. I told him “there’s nothing wrong with a man helping a friend out if he’s horny and needs a handjob or a blowjob”. I noticed he was getting aroused and so I asked “we’re not talking about guys fucking in public, are we?” He said No but he had seen some guys pair off as they got dressed after the sauna. So I leaned into him and lightly stroked his cock, then I kissed him on the neck while I tweaked one of his nipples. He gasped and reciprocated….That led to us having an enjoyable 6 month fling. When he moved to another city, he even wrote me a very nice letter thanking me for everything and wishing me well.

PS @keroscenefire also asked about cost and place… Yes, I think $5000 should cover it if you’re having 4 guys join you. It depends on the action: is it for a few hours or overnight? Do you want to be the centre of the action? Or do you want each guy to be working non-stop with each other and you watching, directing and interacting? I always preferred a big anonymous hotel (such as Hilton, Loew’s ie not 5* but decent) and I’d book a large suite. It’s good to have the space, and a large bathroom. I used to see if I really hit it off with one of the guys, and then I’d invite him to stay overnight (to give me a morning blowjob before breakfast)

You’ve been given good advice @keroscenefire. FWIW in my more frisky past, I often organised small groups for fun. Here’s what I wrote 5 years ago in response to someone asking about how to setup a group. I feel my advice applies to groups of 4 or 5 but not to a huge orgy…but then I’m greedy and always wanted to play with each guy. “I've had many, very successful threesomes. They fall into two groups: a good friend and I have played with 1 escort or a non-working guy; and I have played with 2 escorts. I've always been very open and direct about what I expect to happen in each threesome (my friend is rather shy and enjoys me being dominant and taking the lead). I like to host and I set a relaxed tone by first opening a bottle of wine and having us all talk to get acquainted and discuss what we are going to do. When the threesome has comprised 2 escorts, I discuss beforehand what I enjoy, what I expect to do and what I like to have done to me. On the evening, again I like to set a relaxed tone with wine and chat first. I do this for no more than 15 minutes before leaning in to kiss whichever escort seems more keen to start. I find that setting an example and being confident always help. You are of course right to say that communication is key. I would add, however, that it is essential to have a very large bed with good sheets and pillows. And it helps to have on hand bottles of cold water in the bedroom along with plenty of condoms, lube and towels.”

In my dream: Ryan Phillippe (when aged 24-26), Ryan Reynolds (now) and Ryan Gosling (now) combined with a freshly shaved John Krasinski And in my dream, all four would be greedy bottoms and versatile.

That’s a tough ask @Italiano I understand your viewpoint but my income is higher than a few years back, my stock portfolio is valued more highly and my inflation-proofed bonds are more valuable too. Would it be reasonable for me to expect the price of personal services to be unchanged? I hired regularly several years ago and rates quoted to me were sometimes higher, sometimes much lower than 300. I didn’t fixate on the rate but rather on my lust for the person and whether my desires would be met. I often played with ‘amateurs’ such as guys from the gym and guys I met online who needed some help. I still have fond memories of a young muscleboy 21 who asked to come over to me. We played for a long afternoon; afterwards he told me how he loved being submissive to an older top, and he only asked me for $50. In my direct experience, the rate bears little correlation to the quality of the encounter.

I’m with @liubit as I always found young men aged 23-28 to be perfect for me. At that age, they were passionate and eager to please, while having experience and being ready to explore their sexuality. My preferred age-group was tested by dating a very fit, muscled guy of 40, a bottom who was sexually voracious and very compliant.

To answer the OP: 1. Cape Town, South Africa has wonderful seafood and there are several specialist restaurants. 2. Melbourne, Australia with a couple of excellent fish restaurants IDK any that offer “all you can eat”. Strict hygiene is maintained by the fish and crustaceans being behind glass; you select what you want to eat, and your choice is weighed and priced before cooking.

There’s certainly intense pressure from the airlines @tassojunior but I’ve searched a lot and cannot find anything to support your assertion. What is the source? The official line in the UK is that all remaining restrictions here will be lifted on 19 July provided the virus is under control. As they put it, policy is guided by the data, not the date. There is a stated desire to reopen an air corridor to the US when it’s safe to do so, but of course President Biden will have to agree to this.

Now I understand your point better @tassojunior. Yes, transit is permitted at LHR. Indeed, landslide transit is also permitted (as in going on to another country from a different airport). There are complicated rules, of course, which are spelt out online at the gov.uk website. And you are right to be cautious as the regulations change - at present, the UK changes the list of travel destinations every 3 weeks, and the change is driven by the local levels of infection etc. I do know of a couple of Americans who came through LHR and are going onto France. They had to go directly into quarantine in London for a couple of days before their flight to France, and will have to quarantine again on arrival there. So this is possible. Forgive me if you know this already but I’d caution that it may be best to put all your flights on one ticket/booking, not buy the cheapest ticket but ensure it’s fully refundable, and have all your vaccination documentation ready.

No @tassojunior, not as such. There are still various restrictions however; the final easing is supposed to be on 19 July. Overall, 82% of adults have been vaccinated (as of today). To complicate matters even more, the different constituent parts of the UK have different protocols. So travel plans have to be carefully worked out depending on where you hope to travel to and from. The good news in London is that restaurants & cafes have outdoor and indoor dining with social distancing, bars and pubs have only table service and cinemas & theatres have reopened with capacity limits.

Thank you for your many posts @Unicorn expressing your opinions and for so bravely posting a photo of yourself. I shall continue to follow the advice and information from the CDC as I know they deal expertly with the many scientific aspects related to this virus.

You’re entitled to your opinion @Unicorn. But you are wrong to state the above. In the article (and shown above), the CDC said “an infected person — even onewithout symptoms — could pass the virus to someone whois unvaccinated, including children under the age of 12 orpeople who cannot get a vaccine because of immune-related or other health issues.”

In the UK, the blood-clotting risk as a side-effect of the AZ vaccine was IMO elegantly described as "being smaller than the risk of being killed in a road accident on the way to your appointment at the vaccination centre". As an aside to earlier comments, I heard a talk by the Oxford haematologist who first spotted this risk (in 2 young men aged under 25 who had been newly vaccinated). She became alert to this as it was an "extraordinarily rare side-effect" that she had previously encountered in a patient being treated with warfarin. The UK vaccination roll-out continues apace: those aged under 40 are given the option to take the AZ vaccine or several others; about 62% of people have now been vaccinated (32 million have had both shots, while 11 million have had their first shot). While older people were given appointments, the emphasis now is on vaccinating young people so dozens of centres are open through the weekends so that people may simply walk up to be vaccinated. And for those who believe that if vaccinated, they cannot get the virus or transmit it, there was a good article in the NY Times today. (I copied it in full for any non-subscribers) You’re Vaccinated for Covid-19, and You Just Tested Positive. Now What? Although the risk of vaccinated people becoming infected with the coronavirus is low, it can still happen, the C.D.C. says. Here’s what you need to know. A vaccination site in El Paso, Texas, in May. Although the risk of vaccinated people becoming infected with the coronavirus is low, it can still happen, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and doctors.Credit...Jose Luis Gonzalez/Reuters By Johnny Diaz June 23, 2021 Leer en español Like millions of Americans, Kevin was vaccinated against Covid-19 in March to protect himself. But the Tuesday after visiting bars with friends over a rainy Memorial Day weekend in Provincetown, Mass., he had a running nose and some congestion. “I thought it was typical springtime allergies in New England,” said Kevin, 42, who spoke on the condition that his last name not be used. The symptoms worsened to headaches, body aches and sleepless nights. His doctor told him that it might be the flu but suggested a coronavirus test. The result was positive. The Delta Variant: What Scientists Know “You don’t think it will be you,” said Kevin, who isolated in his Provincetown townhome for 10 days. ADVERTISEMENT Continue reading the main story “At the end of the day, the vaccination still worked,” he said. “I didn’t get as sick as people who got Covid prior to the vaccination being available.” ‘Breakthrough’ cases are rare. If you’re one of the small number of fully vaccinated people who later test positive for Covid-19, what should you do? 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If you leave home to go to the doctor, wear a mask and practice social distancing. The Coronavirus Outbreak › Latest Updates Updated June 25, 2021, 9:06 a.m. ET2 hours ago 2 hours ago In India, concern mounts over a variant called Delta Plus. Some British Olympians say they don’t want shots, and other news from around the world. Across Africa, the Delta variant is driving a third wave of the virus, experts say. Is this helpful? “Fundamentally, though, someone should isolate and then retest, with the latter probably in consultation with a provider,” Dr. Galea said. ADVERTISEMENT Continue reading the main story But what about people in your home? The infected person should stay in a separate “sick room” or area and use a separate bathroom, if available. “If possible, maintain six feet between the person who is sick and other household members,” the C.D.C. said. This is important because an infected person — even one without symptoms — could pass the virus to someone who is unvaccinated, including children under the age of 12 or people who cannot get a vaccine because of immune-related or other health issues. The center noted that the coronavirus spreads between people who are in close contact through respiratory droplets that are produced when someone talks, coughs or sneezes. The virus also spreads through respiratory droplets among people who share the same indoor space. But, Dr. Cioe-Peña said, the level of virus in the nose and droplets are not as contagious in a vaccinated person. “You probably aren’t going to pass this on,” he said. Residents should frequently disinfect touched surfaces in the household if someone is sick or has tested positive for Covid-19. It might be helpful to turn on fans and open doors and windows for fresh ventilation in the residence. 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I may not even notice.” The most serious symptoms include nasal congestion and mild body aches, said Dr. Sunil Sood, a pediatric infectious disease specialist at South Shore University Hospital in Bay Shore in New York. “It would be the mildest of the end of the spectrum of Covid-19,” he said. “It may be just a mild common cold.” But this may be different in vaccinated individuals with weak immune systems like older adults and people with certain medical conditions or those who take certain medications. There have been some high profile cases. The TV host Bill Maher was fully vaccinated when he tested positive last month during weekly staff testing, prompting HBO to reschedule the taping of two of his shows. At the time, he said he felt “perfectly fine.” On June 10, two fully-vaccinated passengers aboard a Celebrity cruise ship tested positive and had to isolate, according to the Royal Caribbean Group. The passengers were asymptomatic. 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I’m not in the market so I don’t know what current rates would be. That said, I agree with @Epigonos on rates for a longer date. In the past, I’ve paid $500-600 for a 2 hour session before lunch, and $600-1000 for 2 hours before dinner. I’ve also paid $700-1200 for 2-3 hours with 2 or 3 men (3some/fourgy). For overnight dates, the most I ever paid was $1500 but the general range was $500-1000. If I were to hire again, I think those would still be the max I’d pay.

Maybe he figured the standard session for a client would be an hour, and he politely allowed an extra 10 minutes for the man to dress and leave?

Have you checked the shops of major museums in London, Paris and Athens online?

I’ve noticed prices for certain goods and services increasing more rapidly in the US and Europe. Inflation seems to be on the rise. If your guy provides great service @lonely_john I imagine you’ll want to continue seeing him. So why not be direct? Ask him what he proposes. Then you can decide whether you can afford to keep seeing him. I may be harsh but I don’t feel that you’re entitled to any explanation from him. He has his costs and needs a certain income. How would you feel if he asked you about your disposable income and your investment portfolio before discussing his rate? FWIW years ago when I hired, I had a similar experience. The guy was great in bed, we got along well and I saw him regularly. He had a low rate. He emailed me after one date that he had to increase his rate for our next date. No explanation. I asked if there was any flexibility as a “regular” but he countered that he’d kept my rate low for some months while everyone else was already paying his new rate!

I feel for the OP @asdsrfr. It’s never nice to have a regular service-provider ask for more for the same level of service. I wonder if the OP’s feelings have been hurt, thinking that the two of them had more of a connection? As others have remarked, it’s simply business and a matter of supply and demand. I think the young man could have handled this better and been more tactful and polite. Personally I value loyalty. I’ve been a loyal customer of the same high-quality food store for decades, and I’ve been a client of 2 wine merchants for 40 and 35 years respectively. I’ve also patronized 4 restaurants regularly since they first started. I know they all like and value me as a regular customer, but alas all their prices have risen steadily over the years. I enjoy eating and drinking well but I can’t in 2021 do so at prices that prevailed in 1990 or 2000 😀

Agreed. He would be painfully thin at that weight.

I can’t help you there @ffdave. I played with him in Florida.