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Give yourself some more time @xax As others have posted, we’ve all gone through this. My suggestion is to treat yourself to something you enjoy doing - it doesn’t matter whether it’s lunch and a movie with a friend, a serious massage or working out with a personal trainer. And when you’re feeling more frisky, set up an appointment for a great date with a good guy.

You’re not alone @Scott Virginian I too find the young clean-shaven Stu very attractive, but the older (beefy or steroidal? bearded and inked) Stu leaves me cold.

Maybe @tassojunior. Where is he supposed to be working? The first 2 pics you show from his profile are definitely of an English model and trainer, James Yates.

Weather should be good then @sydneyboy. It will be less crowded but I very much doubt that it’ll be less expensive. For me, Mykonos lost its allure when it morphed from a resort with Greek families that welcomed gay visitors to a global party-hotspot. Prices now often far exceed those in the South of France. Sorry I can’t help with any info about ‘Bill and Coos’

Absolutely agree with @FrankR and I always did this on a first date. I did this whether it was a working guy, an amateur or an ordinary date. I can recall meeting 3 guys (in 20 years of dating) who did not look like their online photos and I said I’m not going ahead because you’re not what you said online. 2 of the guys protested, and just 1 said Yeah, I use another guy’s photos for privacy(!)

It’s very creditable that you are seeking to help him @7829V I’ve done this with models, but not an escort. I have 2 good friends, Brazilian, who worked in Europe as models and each stayed with me - like you, I have a guest bedroom & bathroom. Over the years, they introduced me to their friends as a ‘nice guy’ with whom visitors could stay. The result is that I had quite a few attractive young men as short-term guests, so I do have some observations to offer. 1. Set the house rules in advance. Consider how you feel about smoking, drinking, overnight guests, playing loud music etc (including anything that really matters to you) and put them in writing - it helps to avoid conflict later. 2. Discuss sex. You find this guy attractive so speak your mind. I didn’t know about some guys who came to stay so I just said ‘I’m gay and I like young men, so I hope that’s not a problem for you?’. The usual response was Cool - often said with a smile. The guys were early 20s, fit and horny. Some were gay but the majority were str8, yet I ended up in bed with most of them. I prided myself at not initiating sex but they were generally very appreciative of all I did for them, so… 3. Charge the guy rent. You must have some idea what he’ll have to pay in rent when he moves to his own place. Treat the guy as an adult; he gets his own bedroom and bathroom. Soften the blow by saying you’ll pay all the bills and provide all the food etc. And if he proves to be a great house-guest, present him with the lump sum of rent as your house-warming gift - it will be a visible sign for him that watching his spending and saving money is worthwhile.

Why would you want him to talk @kaboom35 ? Won’t your cock be in his mouth? And I sincerely doubt that @tallandark will want to be “tag teamed and spit roasted” while engaged in conversation 😀

I admire your good taste @JoeMendoza. I don’t know why it is, but for a small country the Slovak gene pool is remarkable. A few years ago, London had a regular influx of Slovak working guys. All were lean, muscled and had great abs. Better yet, they were all good kissers, dedicated cocksuckers and devoted bottoms. Happy memories! 😎

At that rate, why @BaronArtz and @dutchal are you hesitating? If you don’t want to have him “at home”, there are plenty of clean and inexpensive hotel rooms…

It’s sad when anyone gets very sick but @Becket I have no idea who Brandon Steele is. Google was not too informative. It did reveal that one Brandon Steele had been arrested along with Nick Gruber (famous for being Calvin Klein’s ex) for assaulting a man in his (Steele’s) apartment in Manhattan in 2019. The injuries inflicted were serious; the victim was bludgeoned with a frying pan. Another Brandon Steele is mentioned as having COVID. He’s a Republican in Raleigh, West Virginia who had refused vaccination.

Thanks @keroscenefire for letting us know you’re going ahead with your plans. I’m sure I speak for many in saying I’d enjoy reading your detailed report afterwards on who did what to whom. That is, if you can bear to relive the experience 😎

My understanding @cany10011 is that foreign nationals can obtain a digital EU vaccine passport only if they are legally registered as resident in the EU (and of course have received one of the 4 vaccines authorised by the EU regulatory agency). Where are you resident?

Interesting survey but I’ve not found very good hotels (4* and 5*) offering much lower rates. In LA and NYC, I have found they offer some more amenities or an extra night free.

I recommend Vans sneakers (the favourite of skateboarders) @Doe Be Doe I’ve worn black Vans to dinners and events. They’re especially comfortable if you have to do a lot of walking or standing. Buy the all-black shoes in the ‘Ultracush’ range. Strangely the only people to comment on my shoes have been young men. I’ve had some interesting conversations as a result…

I’m quite confused @nycboi as to why you’ve started a second thread after your first on the same topic

Voyeurism and vicarious pleasure for me. What a great mix @Coolwave35

It’s never nice to be rejected but given the limited information, it’s hard to comment on the young man. He may be making plenty of money from OnlyFans. He may simply not want to meet older men in real life. I’m sure you were polite @Smurof but what made you feel he’d welcome your interest in him, expressed by email? When I hired, I too was an older man attracted to fit young men. I have catholic tastes but I was very particular, even fussy, about the physical appearance of the young men. If they didn’t advertise but had an online profile, I’d politely ask if they’d like to meet up and then I sent a current, clear photo. I could handle rejection too and just move on with a “Thanks anyway”. But if I had to reject the young man because he wasn’t interested in doing what I enjoyed, I’d say “Sorry but we’re not compatible. I’m sure you’ll find a much better match”.

And don’t forget San Francisco has Fleet Week. This year it’s October 3-11

Good for you @Sfojohn I took adult swimming lessons years ago, and I wore speedos (as did most of the other men). It was good fun overall. At first I had a poor teacher (who talked about “feeling the Zen of the water”) so I complained to the course-organiser and I asked to be taught by a hot guy I’d noticed. He was a nice guy, 23 who turned out to be on the Olympic swimming squad What I did was successful but I feel the key was I took it slowly. As the course was limited to 6 lessons, I asked the hot guy if he had time to teach me privately. I explained I wanted to improve and I needed close tuition in the pool 2x a week. I told him I was happy to pay cash and asked him for a rate; his request was modest. We went regularly for an hour’s training in the University pool. We’d meet beforehand, strip off together, swim and then shower together before getting dressed. My instinct was that he was str8 (that proved correct) but very fit with lots of testosterone and no girlfriend; he was also a student with little money. After 2 training sessions, I suggested coffee after our swim. He was chatty and good company, and he asked me questions. One day he introduced me at the pool to a friend who was also on the Olympic squad; the friend was equally attractive. Later I suggested we 3 go for a drink but he declined because of his intense training schedule. So I noted what evenings he trained with the squad and I suggested I take him out for dinner afterwards. He was sweet, saying he’d be exhausted but ravenous and he gladly accepted. What surprised me was that I did NOT have to make the first move. At our next session, in the showers afterward, he suggested we use the sauna. In there, he chatted about how it was OK as we were naked and alone, but on a Saturday evening the sauna would be full of fit, horny guys. He asked me if I was bothered by that. I smiled and said No, it’s fine. I told him “there’s nothing wrong with a man helping a friend out if he’s horny and needs a handjob or a blowjob”. I noticed he was getting aroused and so I asked “we’re not talking about guys fucking in public, are we?” He said No but he had seen some guys pair off as they got dressed after the sauna. So I leaned into him and lightly stroked his cock, then I kissed him on the neck while I tweaked one of his nipples. He gasped and reciprocated….That led to us having an enjoyable 6 month fling. When he moved to another city, he even wrote me a very nice letter thanking me for everything and wishing me well.

PS @keroscenefire also asked about cost and place… Yes, I think $5000 should cover it if you’re having 4 guys join you. It depends on the action: is it for a few hours or overnight? Do you want to be the centre of the action? Or do you want each guy to be working non-stop with each other and you watching, directing and interacting? I always preferred a big anonymous hotel (such as Hilton, Loew’s ie not 5* but decent) and I’d book a large suite. It’s good to have the space, and a large bathroom. I used to see if I really hit it off with one of the guys, and then I’d invite him to stay overnight (to give me a morning blowjob before breakfast)

You’ve been given good advice @keroscenefire. FWIW in my more frisky past, I often organised small groups for fun. Here’s what I wrote 5 years ago in response to someone asking about how to setup a group. I feel my advice applies to groups of 4 or 5 but not to a huge orgy…but then I’m greedy and always wanted to play with each guy. “I've had many, very successful threesomes. They fall into two groups: a good friend and I have played with 1 escort or a non-working guy; and I have played with 2 escorts. I've always been very open and direct about what I expect to happen in each threesome (my friend is rather shy and enjoys me being dominant and taking the lead). I like to host and I set a relaxed tone by first opening a bottle of wine and having us all talk to get acquainted and discuss what we are going to do. When the threesome has comprised 2 escorts, I discuss beforehand what I enjoy, what I expect to do and what I like to have done to me. On the evening, again I like to set a relaxed tone with wine and chat first. I do this for no more than 15 minutes before leaning in to kiss whichever escort seems more keen to start. I find that setting an example and being confident always help. You are of course right to say that communication is key. I would add, however, that it is essential to have a very large bed with good sheets and pillows. And it helps to have on hand bottles of cold water in the bedroom along with plenty of condoms, lube and towels.”

In my dream: Ryan Phillippe (when aged 24-26), Ryan Reynolds (now) and Ryan Gosling (now) combined with a freshly shaved John Krasinski And in my dream, all four would be greedy bottoms and versatile.

That’s a tough ask @Italiano I understand your viewpoint but my income is higher than a few years back, my stock portfolio is valued more highly and my inflation-proofed bonds are more valuable too. Would it be reasonable for me to expect the price of personal services to be unchanged? I hired regularly several years ago and rates quoted to me were sometimes higher, sometimes much lower than 300. I didn’t fixate on the rate but rather on my lust for the person and whether my desires would be met. I often played with ‘amateurs’ such as guys from the gym and guys I met online who needed some help. I still have fond memories of a young muscleboy 21 who asked to come over to me. We played for a long afternoon; afterwards he told me how he loved being submissive to an older top, and he only asked me for $50. In my direct experience, the rate bears little correlation to the quality of the encounter.

I’m with @liubit as I always found young men aged 23-28 to be perfect for me. At that age, they were passionate and eager to please, while having experience and being ready to explore their sexuality. My preferred age-group was tested by dating a very fit, muscled guy of 40, a bottom who was sexually voracious and very compliant.

To answer the OP: 1. Cape Town, South Africa has wonderful seafood and there are several specialist restaurants. 2. Melbourne, Australia with a couple of excellent fish restaurants IDK any that offer “all you can eat”. Strict hygiene is maintained by the fish and crustaceans being behind glass; you select what you want to eat, and your choice is weighed and priced before cooking.