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John Justin (1917-2002), born John Justinian de Ledesma in London, England, the son of a well-to-do Argentine rancher, was a British stage and film actor. Interested in acting from a young age, by 16 he had joined the Plymouth Repertory. At 20, he briefly trained with the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art, didn't care for it, and soon became part of the repertory company of John Gielgud. In 1938, he auditioned for and won the role for which he is best remembered, Ahmad in the 1940 version of The Thief of Bagdad.
 
Preferring the stage to film acting, John Justin joined the Old Vic in 1959, and made his Broadway debut in 1960.
 
Here, at age 22 (1939) he is seen with June Duprez on the set of The Thief of Bagdad:

 
And here, as test pilot Philip Peel in David Lean's The Sound Barrier, he is 35 (1952):
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I just found this other video by him. He was in the seminary.

we'll excuse Hollywood for the fact that the 1906 earthquake occurred at 5:12am......that was a late show for Jeanette!
 
here's a well-known favorite video.....though it wasn't filmed at the time of the earthquake (5:12am, you know), it's a fantastic very early film of Market St and the ferry building a few days before the quake.....sound effects added, of course....watch to the end - the last 90 seconds are haunting
 

In my mind, it was the thunderous applause that Jeanette MacDonald received that caused the earthquake.

25 oldies (some before your time) that are certainly NOT masterpieces, but you can't erase the melodies from your mind no matter how hard you try.
 
"The Lion Sleeps Tonight" - The Tokens (1961)
"Born Free" - Matt Monroe (1965)
"Moon River" - Henry Mancini & Orchestra (1960)
"The Way We Were" - Barbra Streisand (1973)
"Theme from Mahogany" - Diana Ross (1975)
"When You Wish Upon a Star" - Cliff Edwards (1939)
"Moonlight Serenade" - Glenn Miller & Orchestra (1939)
"The Bridge Over Troubled Water" - Simon & Garfunkel (1969)
"Can You Feel the Love Tonight" - Elton John (1994)
"Night and Day" - Leo Reisman & Orchestra with Fred Astaire (1932)
"Singin' In The Rain" - Cliff Edwards (1929) and Gene Kelly (1951), take your pick
"I Will Always Love You" - Dolly Parton (1973) and Whitney Houston (1992), but likely the later version
"The One I Love" - REM (1987)
"You've Lost that Lovin' Feeling" - The Righteous Brothers (1964)
"Cruisin"- Smokey Robinson (1979)
"The Long and Winding Road" - The Beatles (1970)
"Drift Away" - Dobie Gray (1972)
"Sentimental Journey" - Les Brown & Orchestra with Doris Day (1944)
"All or Nothing at All" - Harry James & Orchestra with Frank Sinatra (1939)
"Stranger in Paradise" - Tony Bennett (1953)
"Crazy" - Gnarls Barkley (2005)
"Stand By Me" - Ben E. King (1960)
"Smoke Gets in Your Eyes" - Ruth Etting (1934), but likely The Platters (1958)
"Memories" - Elvis Presley (1968)
"Here and Now" - Luther Vandross (1989)
 
Oh... and this ditty from 1933 (with bouncy Ginger Rogers) that was included in every Loony Tune and Merry Melody you grew up watching
 

 
Sometimes a very obscure song grabs you and you can't erase it either. Classic example is this "chart-miss" from 1966 by a girl group Reparta & the Delrons, who remind me of Phil Spector's Ronettes with all of that "wall of sound" slushy-ness
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBSUz0XFLEo
 
Under no circumstances start humming these two...
 
"White Christmas" - Bing Crosby (1942)
"It's a Small World After All"... Walt Disney will never be forgiven for plopping this one on the New York World's Fair of 1964

Yeah... that line in the original post you responded to, "Not that many gays here care", did have too strong of a sting. The wording curiously and humorously made me think that the poster is "not" and others "are" as if it is somehow bad to be "gay". Obviously that was not the intention, but the choice of words was odd.
 
Bottom line: many, many do care. They just aren't rich and only rich people are running Washington D.C. right now. On the plus side, the one you mentioned is certainly not one who will simply say "well... there's nothing I can do about it".

Welcome to a thread on the thread on SESTA (started by StevenKesslar). It's nice to see some prolific posters finally have an interest but it passed Congress yesterday and now we're sort of waiting for the lights to go out. Hopefully we can get a test case on the constitutionality quickly but I doubt it will be in time to stop the chilling effect on internet service providers that is it's real intent: Get them to filter out any sites having anything to do with escorting.
 
I'm not listing what all I've been doing the past month to fight SESTA but I do live and work in DC am gay and once every week or two put on my lawyer drag and venture to Capitol Hill to find buttonholes. Unfortunately most of my contacts are Democrats and they weren't budging on SESTA. 11 Democrats in the House and 1 in the Senate opposed SESTA. Leadership (or maybe the DNC) probably put out a party-line directive.
 
Trump is not the only master showman in DC who knows how to control what people are interested in at any time. The static and noise are diversionary flak to keep people's attention away from the horrible stuff being done quietly at the same time. SESTA is serious for us and a potential disaster for the internet.

He was my neighbor when I was growing up. Contrary to his popular persona of Mr. Cheapskate, on Holloween he passed out silver dollars!

Jack Benny continued working until the end of his life. He did classical music concerts with local orchestras. I saw him at Wolf Trap in Virginia a few months before Mr.. Benny passed.
away. There were not many hotels then near Wolf Trap. He stayed at the local hotel. I remember seeing Jack talk to his manager in the hotel lobby. I was there to see Ella Fitzgerald; Jack Benny was a nice bonus.

I've been watching some of the old Jack Benny tv shows on YouTube. I know he is straight but his mannerisms are just so fey. He can do so much with just one word or with a pause or a look.
 
I remember once reading he and the cast were traveling and the hotel they were booked for refused to allow Rochester to stay there so Jack refused to stay there and they went elsewhere.

It always amazed me how this show managed so many jokes in a mere five minutes of time, something that hadn't been achieved since the Jack Benny Program went off the air... on the radio!
 

Bedrich Grunzweig

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Bedrich Grunzweig (1910-2009) was born in Prague. In 1939, he escaped Nazi-occupied Czechoslovakia. (His parents and brother Hans were all murdered by the Nazis; Grunzweig's first photograph, made in 1926, was a portrait of Hans.) Arriving in the U.S., he settled permanently in New York City, whose architectural forms, visual excitement and relentless pace would inform and inspire his photography throughout his life. He joined the newly formed United Nations and worked there -- in communications, media and public relations -- until his retirement in 1974.
 
One of his best known images is "Between Heaven and Earth,” a terrific shot of a window cleaner at the United Nations building that won U.S. Camera magazine’s first prize in 1951. In 1964, he won the Saturday Review first prize for his photograph of architect Eero Saarinen’s TWA Terminal at Kennedy Airport.
 
Grunzweig returned to Prague three times between 1969 and 1983 and again in 1991 and in 1998. His last visit was for the opening of a retrospective show of his work, the first exhibit of his photography in the city of his birth. He died just short of his 99th birthday.
 
Images by Bedrich Grunzweig ...


Between Heaven and Earth, United Nations Secretariat, New York, 1951
 


April Showers, New York, 1951


 

TWA Terminal, Idlewild Airport (later Kennedy Airport), 1962
 


TWA Terminal, 1964


 

Geometric Floor, TWA Terminal Lounge, 1963
 

Home From Work, 1950

Thanks everyone. I’ll just book it and bring up the subject directly and then move forward

If I have a great massage "therapist" and after some years pass and something sexual happened... I would have to talk about "it" before I hire again, for so many reasons.
 
I am not a fan of flirting, playing games or any kind of cat & mouse BS. So for me, clear and direct communication is has always worked best in my life... then I make the best decisions for myself. This also keeps you from going down any rabbit holes or such.
 
But for me personally, a massage is about Me relaxing- healing & my over all health. Being naked creates an intimate setting, but it is still a massage and nothing more. (I am one who uses this forum to weed out the massuers who are offering rub & tugs)
 
Being a gay male, I get it that something could easily happen with one or more naked people are in a room.... but then that is sex and not a massage. So if lines have been crossed only you know what it is that you want from him and clearly you have choices. (i dated my massage therapist once - woof). Meaning... if you want him as a masseur - have the talk. If you want him as a relationship.... have the talk. Just remember that "shoe makers kids, go without shoes".... meaning you don't get both.
 
On the other hand, If you want him as a masseur and a hook-up.... then have that talk. He will thank you for it... and he might even that talk once you reach out to him. There is a chance that if you are struggling with this, So is he.
 
Remember, if it is a massage with a hook-up, as long as you do not pay extra for the hook-up part of the session- you are doing nothing illegal and it is just becomes a win-win for both of you. There is obviously some attraction there and if it works, let it, but talk about "it" or be prepared to talk about "it".

I am so sorry, but I can't help but comment here.
 
Talk to him about "it".
 
Do not ignore "it". To ignore "it" is to suggest "it" didn't mean anything to you and you didn't care about "it".
 
Just tell him how much you enjoyed "it" during your last session, but hope he doesn't feel obligated to repeat "it" if he is not in the mood and that you fully understand that "it" is not experienced by just any other client of his. You will be happy with any time you spend with him even if it doesn't involve "it". Nonetheless you still want to thank him for "it" because "it" gave you this wonderful after glow and provided you the strength to endure the next few weeks of mundane life. He made "it" very special to you.

In my home, every year is the year of the dog.
This year is Year of the Dog. More specifically the year of the Earth Dog. Eleventh in the Twelve year animal cycle and third in the 5 element cycles ( earth, fire, wood, metal and water.)
 
For earth dogs out there, here are the general characteristics of earth dogs:
 
Personality and Horoscope for the Earth Dog
Earth dogs generally cannot inherit much wealth from their forefathers, so most of them rely on their own efforts; they have the ordinary luck in youth and it's hard for them to accumulate wealth; their luck becomes better in middle age and they have sound luck in old age.
 
Earth dogs are broad-minded, faithful, considerate, well-disciplined and they stick to principles. Also, they are grateful, chivalrous, brave and have the courage to take the blame for what they do, thus it's easy for them to offend somebody. Earth dogs always have clear goals and they are self-poised towards success and failure, never compromising their conscience to do things. They are persistent and never give up. They believe in the life philosophy of taking their own road in a down-to-earth manner. Although earth dogs are very capricious sometimes, they never hurt others arbitrarily and they respect the other's position and attitude rather than forcing the other to accept their opinions. Earth dogs don't like to interfere in the life of others, vice versa.
 
Earth dogs have the artistic spirit, so it's not suitable for them to work in industry and commerce circles with fierce competition and internal strife. It doesn't mean that their physical strength or fighting spirit is inferior to others, but their practice and personality cannot cater to others in this complicated society.
 
In work, earth dogs are always meticulous and responsible and they are committed to their work and try their best to finish the work. Due to their serious and responsible attitude, they are more likely to succeed.
 
In terms of love, earth dogs are tongue-tied in the face of their loved ones. The most headache thing for them is the romantic love because they don't know how to create the romantic atmosphere, or how to answer back when the partner takes the initiative. However, they will give all they have for their loved ones and they are very faithful.
 
Generally, earth dogs have favorable luck in making money but they need to avoid the money matters between friends and sign the agreement in advance to avoid the unnecessary loss in cooperation.

I am so sorry, but I can't help but comment here.
 
Talk to him about "it".
 
Do not ignore "it". To ignore "it" is to suggest "it" didn't mean anything to you and you didn't care about "it".
 
Just tell him how much you enjoyed "it" during your last session, but hope he doesn't feel obligated to repeat "it" if he is not in the mood and that you fully understand that "it" is not experienced by just any other client of his. You will be happy with any time you spend with him even if it doesn't involve "it". Nonetheless you still want to thank him for "it" because "it" gave you this wonderful after glow and provided you the strength to endure the next few weeks of mundane life. He made "it" very special to you.

I don't know why exactly... unless they don't want to draw too much unwanted attention to the place.
 
I think both of you, @nynakedtop and @jjkrkwood, probably favor the nudie beaches and all-male nudie campgrounds (and Florida has at least three of them) over both bath houses and "clubs". Granted, the extracurricular activities tend to be more discrete at the beaches. If for nothing else, there is a great deal of fashion on display... in C-rings, that is. I never realized how many guys wore them until I visited a "clothing optional" sea shore, not to mention how many different kinds. Often they get so glittery in the sunlight, that guys walking many yards away are giving you unintentional Morse code.

Bill Cable (1946-1998), born William Cumpanas, known as "Stoner," "Cable," and "Bigg John," was a model, actor and film stuntman. He appeared in adult films (gay and straight)--his first being Wakefield Poole's Bijou (1972)--and in mainstream movies--including Basic Instinct (1992), as Johnny Boz, the retired rock star found tied to his bed with a silk scarf, fatally stabbed with an ice pick.
 

Photographed by Bob Mizer for the Athletic Model Guild, Jim French for COLT Studio Group, Kenn Duncan, Jeff Dunas and many others, he appeared in Playgirl, Playboy, OUI, the Ah Men Clothing Catalog, After Dark, Honcho, Drummer, Mandate and numerous other publications.
 
In October 1996, he was involved in a motorcycle accident in Laurel Canyon that left him paralyzed from the chest down. He died of injuries from that crash in March 1998 at age 51.
 
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When They Were Young ... and wore loincloths ...
 
Patrick Stewart (born 1940, now 77) at age 37 as Oberon in a 1977 production of A Midsummer Night's Dream.

 
Mike Henry, (born 1936, now 81) a former linebacker for the Steelers, made three Tarzan films ('66, '67, '68) when he was in his early 30s.
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Gordon Scott (1926-2007), spotted by a talent agent while working as a hotel lifeguard in Las Vegas, starred in Tarzan's Hidden Jungle (1955) at 29.
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Christopher Plummer (born 1929 , now 88) at age 40 as an Incan god-chief in 1969's The Royal Hunt of the Sun.
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Reb Brown (born 1948, now 69) at age 35 in the 1983 B-movie cult classic Yor, the Hunter from the Future.
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JohnTravolta (born 1954, now 63) at age 30 in Staying Alive (1983).
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Johnny Weissmuller (1904-1984) starred in a dozen Tarzan movies in the 1930s and '40s. His costume early in the series was skimpy, with just a string across the waistline (as below) until the Production Code was established. Here, in about 1932, Weissmuller is in his late 20s.
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Miles O'Keeffe (born 1954, now 63) got his big acting break at age 27 in 1981’s Tarzan, the Ape Man co-starring Bo Derek.
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The End
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I didn't like that line either. It would have made more sense if he just said "I love my wife more than I have loved any man I have met", but he makes it seem like other men who happen to love men in the same way that he does his wife are inferior. Then he brings up religion, which is always determined by how individuals interpret ancient texts according to their own standards. When somebody says they are not judgmental of others, usually they are. (Believe it or not, some religious people are or were against all forms of sex, gay and heterosexual even though they generally fail to last as a group due to no kiddies being born a.k.a. the Harmony Society of the 19th century.)
 
These guys look like they are in their 20s and 30s. Usually when you are around 30, you are at your most disciplined. Later in life you tend to get more restless and eager to broaden your horizons. Will they remain as disciplined by their 50s and the kiddies are all out of the nest? I guess the donuts analogy can be adapted two decades from now with the logic of "well, I can occasionally have one and not become diabetic. Maybe my wife won't mind if we both exercise on our attractions by having a third partner to share..."
 
This is only an hour special. At first I thought it was a multi-episode series. This show would have been a big hit back in, say, 1980s post-AIDS and Jerry Falwell.

I always notice the moment in this scene when the girl with the bad accent turns away to avoid showing she's laughing after Sophia says "good luck with the lean, mean Swedish machine." It happens at the 1:00 mark of this clip.

Now that Hallmark Channel's inane, annoying, endless, horrible, suicide-inspiring, (seemingly) year-round Xmas extravaganza has ended, the girls are back. Yay!
 
One of my favorite Dorothy being sarcastic scenes:

I just noticed that he uses the pronoun "we" a few too many times. Even though he doesn't discuss other people, he is constantly thinking about what others think. It is human nature to need to be accepted into a group. Humans are like ants in this way.
 
Also it is human nature to categorize. Like Carl Linnaeus, we want a Latin name for everything so that we can maintain a sense of control in our immediate environment. We are deathly afraid of the unknown.
 
There is so much fuss about "what I am supposed to do". Yes, if a semi truck is headed your way, you are "supposed to" get off the road or else you will get hit. However, if you want to label yourself gay instead of bisexual, you have to consider female anatomy and affection for females somehow wrong. What about accepting the fact that 75% of the world's population is likely bisexual with an attraction towards both genders? There is a natural curiosity towards one's own body that will prompt curiosity towards other bodies with either similar and radically different body parts. It may not stay consistent your entire life as certain curiosities come and go with both age and experience.
 
Alas... a structured society built on breeding humans to compensate losses through wars and plagues (and many of the most conservative religions that pick and choose what kinds of intimacy is "moral" got rooted in rural rather than urban societies where it was important to have as many children as possible to help tend the goat herds) has forced a huge chunk of the population to think heterosexuality is the only proper way for intimacy. Many aspects of this has also filtered into the craniums of "out" gay men as well. You know you must be part of a group. Either you are with "them" or you are with "us". You even have a national rainbow flag!
 
I am always tickled reading threads about clients falling in "love" with escorts and masseurs because everybody chimes in with the same opinions. "Oh NO, you can't do that!" Well... it depends on how you define "love". Also it depends on whether "falling in love" means you want to move into the same dwellings as this hard working guy, discover that he may not always be as hunky and sexy during non-working hours and decide if you can handle him being "intimate" with strangers you don't know, regardless if it just involves slapping lotion on a bare body in a more intimate fashion than a family doctor. Also, speaking of doctors, you can just as easily "fall in love" with them just as you would lawyers, psychiatrists and anybody else who is giving your service work. Who says "deli" and "spa" must be any different?
 
Some subjects are just hard to measure with a yardstick or in accordance to all of the human experts who tell you "how it is". This includes anything involving the emotions.
 
I guess... to get to the point (if I really have one), everybody analyzes and over analyzes. That is a good thing except that too much of the analysis is influenced by other peoples' opinions rather than objective reasoning.
 
At least this author is aware of himself and is questioning "why" he has these feelings. He also questions "why" his relationships with men are not measuring up with this one woman. Perhaps his approach with men is different than his approach with women, whom he has told himself he is less attracted sexually to? Perhaps what he is trying to learn for himself is how to get beyond just physical attraction and find an emotional connection? That is clearly what he had with her.

I just noticed that he uses the pronoun "we" a few too many times. Even though he doesn't discuss other people, he is constantly thinking about what others think. It is human nature to need to be accepted into a group. Humans are like ants in this way.
 
Also it is human nature to categorize. Like Carl Linnaeus, we want a Latin name for everything so that we can maintain a sense of control in our immediate environment. We are deathly afraid of the unknown.
 
There is so much fuss about "what I am supposed to do". Yes, if a semi truck is headed your way, you are "supposed to" get off the road or else you will get hit. However, if you want to label yourself gay instead of bisexual, you have to consider female anatomy and affection for females somehow wrong. What about accepting the fact that 75% of the world's population is likely bisexual with an attraction towards both genders? There is a natural curiosity towards one's own body that will prompt curiosity towards other bodies with either similar and radically different body parts. It may not stay consistent your entire life as certain curiosities come and go with both age and experience.
 
Alas... a structured society built on breeding humans to compensate losses through wars and plagues (and many of the most conservative religions that pick and choose what kinds of intimacy is "moral" got rooted in rural rather than urban societies where it was important to have as many children as possible to help tend the goat herds) has forced a huge chunk of the population to think heterosexuality is the only proper way for intimacy. Many aspects of this has also filtered into the craniums of "out" gay men as well. You know you must be part of a group. Either you are with "them" or you are with "us". You even have a national rainbow flag!
 
I am always tickled reading threads about clients falling in "love" with escorts and masseurs because everybody chimes in with the same opinions. "Oh NO, you can't do that!" Well... it depends on how you define "love". Also it depends on whether "falling in love" means you want to move into the same dwellings as this hard working guy, discover that he may not always be as hunky and sexy during non-working hours and decide if you can handle him being "intimate" with strangers you don't know, regardless if it just involves slapping lotion on a bare body in a more intimate fashion than a family doctor. Also, speaking of doctors, you can just as easily "fall in love" with them just as you would lawyers, psychiatrists and anybody else who is giving your service work. Who says "deli" and "spa" must be any different?
 
Some subjects are just hard to measure with a yardstick or in accordance to all of the human experts who tell you "how it is". This includes anything involving the emotions.
 
I guess... to get to the point (if I really have one), everybody analyzes and over analyzes. That is a good thing except that too much of the analysis is influenced by other peoples' opinions rather than objective reasoning.
 
At least this author is aware of himself and is questioning "why" he has these feelings. He also questions "why" his relationships with men are not measuring up with this one woman. Perhaps his approach with men is different than his approach with women, whom he has told himself he is less attracted sexually to? Perhaps what he is trying to learn for himself is how to get beyond just physical attraction and find an emotional connection? That is clearly what he had with her.