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Of course. The question was directed at @KensingtonHomo He is claiming to be much more able to fuck a hottie in his mature years...so I thought maybe he had some ugly duckling years as a young man and learned to pay for sex early because he had to. Yes we are aware not everyone has to pay for sex. If you're ugly, you may lower your standards to fuck a dog...but the conversations here on C.o.M. will prove that instead, people would rather reach for their wallet and pay for company who meets their standards of physical beauty. So conversely, the question on this thread is whether that desire for physical beauty will get you a discount from your provider. If you ARE attractive and just hiring for convenience do escorts consider you more desirable and easier to get off ? My first ever hire was unplanned and I was in my 20s. I did offer to pay but afterwards the provider told me he had so much fun, I didn't need to pay him. He enjoyed himself as much as I did . (I did however pay him, as I was aware that this was his JOB.) We hooked up a few times after that. Off the clock. So yeah...in this case he not only discounted but didn't feel the need to charge at all because of my looks.

It's interesting how some of these men are so brainwashed by Lesbian Equality Theory. "Looks don't matter"...."we are all beautiful"..."personality is everything you need". The.topic of the discussion is about clients who stand out, not a place to try and pretend we are all the same. Looks are very much important to men. It's how they are wired.

Did you have to pay for sex in your 20s too ?

Once again @KensingtonHomois playing gatekeeper...and now he's sending me out to pasture. I'm only 53. I think I have a few more good years before I'm to be put-down 😄

I meant as a general rule. But I suppose this could be a cultural norm for certain people and not others. I was merely defending @marylander1940 's opinion. Nothing more.

Joyus Oestre

Sorry @mike carey I disagree. It's a common courtesy to not talk behind people's back. And @marylander1940 wasn't demanding

That was the interesting thing about our houseboy. In Vietnam his parents had a staff of FOUR and yet with their money they couldn't afford to house their son while he was in college. The difference in economies is significant.

We had a Vietnamese houseboy for a few years when the kids were little.. He always commented how shocking American food prices were (and how terrible the food tasted) He was a great cook...so we ate Vietnamese a few days per week. I don't know about living there but I'd love to eat my way through the country. Amazing food culture. (And yes @marylander1940...this guy's kinda fuckable.)

Yeah. He's a real disappointment . Nice looking but mediocre in every other aspect.

That and the 5 cent cherry coke at the counter in Woolworth's

Absolutely. I have made this point many times. For now the law is used to "take down" important people (Governor of New York). But in the era of meta-data being stored for that moment you become inconvenient, it's wise to avoid the risk of having broken a Federal Law.

Two sides to every story. I would be curious to hear the client's side of your story.

I see he's a "masseuse" . Is he a recent Trans person ?

Correct. They are attracted to the money 🤑...not you .

As I stated before...it's all theatre. For example if an escort can't get a hard-on...then neither can I. So you'd better tank up on Viagra if you can't actually get into the session. I'm not SO old and I'm still in pretty good shape for my age...but I'm aware none of these super hot guys would hit me up in Grindr for a freebie. I suppose the more a provider is an actor the more likely a Lonely-Lenny will hire him just to hang out after he gets off.

This is very simple. If you're PAYING someone for sex, they're not actually into you. *boom*

People have mentioned they hire him for escorting too ...but the over all opinion is that YES..he's burnt out and unable to pretend he's enjoying your company My memory of hiring him was that he was bored beyond belief. Although I didn't take it personally...it was an unpleasant environment to be in and hardly something I would recommend to anyone.

Thanks for this. I have traveled a great deal for many years...but I am sure to learn a few things with this.

Well... Clearly that's not true. You're a very attractive man so I'm sure you get many responses from tourists visiting New York. I'm sure you rarely keep a regular clientele. 80% sounds like a gross exaggeration when you consider the mediocrity of your work. Sorry. I've been around for a while and although I can compliment you on your looks / polite manner and lovely apartment.... your massage skills are lacking and your sensual abilities are incredibly unenthusiastic. I'm sure jerking off old men for a living gets boring but you make it REALLY obvious.

They're not. It's theatre. You're paying for the illusion.

Yes. Thank you @marylander1940. I PAY people because i accept they are better looking than me. I acknowledge that at my age Super amazingy hot guys aren't going to let me fuck them for free. I have no need to pretend they actually like me and I just happen to be handing them cash because I had some extra in my wallet. 🤣

I do if I have to PAY them. Of course, they're not attracted to me, or I wouldn't be PAYING ! Escorts are paid to pretend they like you...so you'd never know if the connection was genuine or not. If I want really superior looking fit young guys, then I need to match the attraction or match the price. Otherwise I'd have enough luck on Grindr to keep me satisfied. I'm well past the days where people might clamor to get in my drawers. I'd much rather pick what I like and schedule a meet instead of spending hours digging through Grindr for the occasional hottie who likes daddies.

I agree and agree. Always nice when there's more offered. If it does somehow ends up being an escort session at the completion, then it's due more than just a "tip". I pay what a normal escort fee would include. Sometimes this is negotiated and sometimes it's left up to me to be a gentleman. But unless I'm traveling or visiting someone from out of town. I tend to keep a regular relationship with a good masseur who is sexually compatible too. So I would naturally be generous to keep my provider happy to return.

As everyone has stated there is NO exact definition. But I would say that an "erotic"massage SHOULD at minimum involve a sexually titillating experience, where the masseur arouses the client. But At that point what varies drastically is what happens after you're aroused. Some will include a completion and others will negotiate for an additional fee. And sadly some will leave you with blue balls. Yes. It's good to discuss up front...but I actually prefer to leave it to fate and if I am impressed I will return. If not...I pay the fee requested, include nothing more and move on.