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Just my thoughts, not law: I think that for as long as we are men, especially the gay kind, we are always going to like the thrill of the unknown. I also think that in a massage setting, the masseur has the upper hand and can decide to give hints, as well as how far he's willing to go.
Here in Spain where I'm vacationing, I scheduled a massage at the hotel where I'm staying, not a gay hotel, just a mainstream hotel that has a spa and offer massages and spa-related services. When I scheduled mine, I was asked "Chica or chico?" (girl or boy?) for the masseur. I said "Chico" because, why not? Not expecting anything other than a nice relaxing massage, as the facilities are for all kinds of hotel guests, I went to my appointment not expecting and not even having anything in my mind, other than a relaxing time at the pool, the sauna and the thermal baths. The massage time came in, they gave me this paper/disposable g-string to wear, so I wasn't "naked". A minute or two into the massage, the nice gentleman masseur pulled the paper/disposable g-string down. Half an hour into it, the masseur and I almost break the massage table having sex. The fact that it was unexpected did add to the excitement and thrill of the whole thing. However, I am 100% sure that none of that happened if it wasn't for the initiative that the masseur took. Personally I don't give hints if I don't get one first, so to me, it's up to him.

I’ve recently made the switch from hiring off of MF/RM and started to scope out local establishments and independent providers instead. Talent started to dry up on the main websites and I was getting tired of overpriced and unskilled guys.
I’ve had a decent amount of luck just going with the flow and it leading to more with about a 60% - 70% success rate and learned a few things along the way.
1. A Google/Yelp search for male massage therapists was helpful in first finding independent therapists. Social media searches can be helpful too.
2. When possible I cross referenced online to see if I could find any social media that led me to see if they were on the same team as me and surprisingly that was usually pretty easy to confirm - I found this to obviously increase chances of something going further. It’s obviously much less likely from a “straight” provider but I can’t say it’s never happened before.
3. I never directly ask beforehand or during but instead just let it progress - there are ways to give subtle clues without being obvious and I’ve found this to actually be more stimulating for me and to limit the risk of crossing the line and being turned down.
4. Soothe/Zeel is much more hit or miss and again I’ve never flat out asked because I understand the risk - I’ve just let it progress and if it goes there it does. My success rate via these apps is much lower, probably in the 30% range but I’ve found this to increase with repeat visits.
I find this whole thing much more enjoyable than using the sites as there’s the unknown of what will happen which makes it more enticing.
My last hire was in Phoenix on a work trip and it worked out really well. I’m also decently hung which has been helpful here too 😂.

Any of you doing more of this and less of the main websites?
(Also, to be clear I’m not discussing any of the places and/or names here. This post is more about understanding people’s views on this topic and the approach rather than anything else.)

Edit his description down to "Send pics.  If I like how you look, you can fuck me."

His private pics indicate that.

Yeah sure - it felt perfunctory and it didn’t feel like he was into it.  He didn’t do anything to establish that connection that makes it good. 

That mullet is unfortunate, but everything else is perfection.

That makes me glad he read my message on RM, but never responded back. Saved me some $$$. 

I saw MuscleJer. He lives up to his name. Super hot muscle boy. But massagewise not so great. He asked if I really want him to bring the table, which sjould have been my first clue that this would not go as well as I hoped. He brought cheap hand lotion so I gave him something better to use. It was 95 degrees out but his face cradle had fur, so I swapped it out for a sheet. His technique was lacking and since the table was so high I couldn’t actually access his cock, I led us to the bed and sucked him while I made him flex for me. When he jacked me off and I started to doze he woke me immediately, oddly concerned that I would fall asleep. 

Thanks for the recs, but I think the post was for our Never Again list....unless I misread that.

I had a 90 min 4-hand from them about 6 months ago. It was my first 4-hand massage. They were in a different location than where they are now. They said they were moving to WeHo at the time. One is white tall and all American, the other is shorter and darker (had an Israeli name). Both are very handsome and smooth. When I arrived they were wearing matching briefs and that's it. By the end of the massage, they were wearing matching birthday suits. I really enjoyed it and would repeat, but I have had another 4-hand since then that I preferred. The difference is that TwoBoysFourHands work different parts of the body (one does upper body, the other does lower body) virtually the whole time. The other 4-hand I had felt like a four-handed person, often all four hands were massaging my back at the same time. It was difficult to distinguish between the two. I will say that TwoBoysFourHands were very accommodating with certain requests and the HE was very erotic as they really worked together to make my ending happy.

The pics look a bit AI.  Currently not on my list but thank you ChadLA for relaying your experience with this initial contact you’ve had.  

Was just at Silverado last week.  Area is a little sketchy but if you walk with confidence it cleans up only a couple blocks away.   The bigger issue is the dancers.  I checked it out several nights and the entire time 75% of the dancers never got totally naked.  The ones that did were not the best looking of the bunch.  IMO not worth a special trip but if in the area check it out but don't expect the hottest guys to get naked.  You will see the same if not more at Mickey's in Weho! 

I don’t recommend Troy either. Cody is great in terms of skill but the menu of options and pricing is a deal breaker for me. I can’t stand when guys list six different prices with all specifics listed out. Top, bottom, oral, etc. it no longer is a massage at that point and he’s likely excluding a large customer base because of it - he belongs on RentMen.

Just offer a good massage and end it with a HE. That’s how you build a successful business here.

I met him about 6-7 years ago when he lived in Miami (but he is from NYC).  He was supposedly 23 at the time so he has to be close to 30 by now.  He is the only escort I've met who set a timer on his phone.  At 50 minutes, it went off and he told me to hurry up and get off or he will start charging me for an additional hour after 60 minutes.  Totally killed the mood.  He has a hot body and a nice cock but I wouldn't give him another penny.  

Self-taught. 
 
Therapeutish, then. 

highly recommend, not as cut as his pictures but nice guy good massage and fun extras

I have made it a practice to screen shot a providers phone number and their ad in the event they freeze their ad or it expires etc and majority of them will still meet esp with regulars etc, i do the same with rentmen ads as some guys are only on for a month or so then expired etc  but the ads still show up just as deactivate or frozen   and no way to contact them

So I saw him this afternoon and would definitely recommend. The pic, as the above poster pointed out, does not do him justice. He’s a fit dude with more muscle on him then that picture implies.
The massage was great. I believe the 12 years of experience. It was a very confident touch and an obviously familiar technique. He did draped acupressure, removed the drape for a great Swedish and deep tissue combo, that was it. Completely therapeutic but that was fine by me.
Can’t beat the price. Definitely worth it.
 

Hung beefy dude, little interest in the massage but was pretty into trying to go further with me. Nice guy, older than pics, unsure I’d repeat.

Thank you 

How was he? 

I flew him to me

Despite being in a sexual service profession, escorts personal lives are not much different than anyone else.  Some have rich and varied friends.  Some are married.  Some are lonely and enjoy having someone with whom to interact, off the clock.  Directness probably would have been best.  When I have been in this situation, I have informed the escort that while I enjoy spending time with him, he is welcome to stay for a bit, but I have early plans for the morning, and he will need to be out by a specific time.  I have also invited an escort to join me at dinner but suggest we take separate cars to the restaurant.  

Yeah, I feel like my experience with him was okay but not great. Felt a bit mechanical. 

Yeah, I feel like my experience with him was okay but not great. Felt a bit mechanical.