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There is a lot more danger for women than men. Women are much more vulnerable, and more likely to be raped + murdered in general - but especially in these situations. Men walk home at night or ride the subway at night and don't really worry - where for women it can be deadly. Men and male providers do not have as much to worry about in that sense, both in and out of the industry.

Some do, some don't. Some charge slightly more, some charge a per person rate. Even when you charge more for couples, it usually still works out to a discounted per-person rate. For example, a standard rate of $400 pre hour or $500 for couples comes to $250 each, rather than $400 each - hence why I said it's "effectively half the rate". Some providers don't charge extra at all but in my experience, very few actually price two clients session at double the standard rate. When I did the big group session, I was paid my regular overnight fee, and could go once the play stopped. Just reach out to a provider who you think would be down for it and see what magic happens!

Rentmen messenger is notoriously fickle and even when you do these steps - there is no way of knowing if the issue is not effecting the person you are trying to message. That is why providers so often ask you to text them instead.

this is fantastic advice - for anyone, no matter their size.

You already answered your question here. Of course they will say yes. My advice - reach out to provider you like, be honest about your size (i promise they have seen bigger) and go and enjoy yourself. You will have better luck if you chose someone who is already well reviewed both on rentmen and on here. Maybe even reach out to the escort that moved to Germany and ask him if he has any friends you think you'd click with. Good Luck and Enjoy.

I 100% have had clients specifically request NO DEODORANT. If you have a fetish for this kind of smell, it is so simple- you just ASK FOR IT. I didn't, and Brandin didn't either. CORRECT. 👏 why is this controversial? CORRECT 👏 again. say it louder for the people up the back. (important word here is CLEAN) I have a regular client that plans our schedules around when I go to the gym so that I can see him straight afterwards- still wearing my sweaty gym gear and underpants. I see him weekly, he knows my regular gym class schedule. I message him if my gym plans change so we can work around it. Sometimes I wear the same underpants from the day before for him when I work out so when I see him to give it gives it an extra PANG. Guess what @Luv2play- I STILL SHOWER AND + GET FRESH AND CLEAN MY ASS BEFORE I WORK OUT SO MY ASS DOESN'T SMELL LIKE SHIT. This is a VERY DIFFERENT scenario than what we were discussing with the OP. If you are wanting SWEATY MAN SMELL - no problem just request that. @Luv2playI am telling you, as a PROVIDER, we are NOT requesting or excited by a client who is not clean and smelling fresh. While some clients, such as yourself, request no deodorant or cologne, please understand that unless this is specifically requested, it is generally assumed that we use these products at a basic level. Not doing so would be outside the norm. (not that there is anything wrong with natural scent - JUST ASK FOR IT) We can be smelly and dirty if you ask, but unless you ask for it - it would be rude of us to arrive smelly and dirty -RIGHT? same applies both ways. Unless we ask for you to arrive smelly - please don't. Don't know why this is so hard for y'all to accept but I am getting to my wits end here. Is this the twilight zone? Have a shower and brush your teeth daily + always assume your partner (and ESPECIALLY YOUR PROVIDER) wants you CLEAN. PLEASE. Have a nice day!

You can't win them all! My loss I am sure.

You have no manners. Good bye and good luck.

Some people have accused me of having disdain for my clients, which couldn't be further from the truth - but this is a fantastic example the kind of nonsense we have to navigate. @OvrwghtQT what a strange hill to die on. Soap and water is not militant. It's good manners, no matter where you are or from. JFC @OvrwghtQT Here is a some helpful info for you - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0Ah-T96wW0

read again. I think you are missing the vital word of "AND" in my sentence. The word AND is added to show that I was describing a THE MIXTURE OF ALL THREE SMELLS. My bad if that was not clear. 🤮 Next time you are sucking someone off who hasn't wiped their ass properly and been sweating all day, get back to me and let me know how much you enjoyed it. It is very different from sucking a nice fresh clean one, I assure you. I'm sorry someone has had to explain how to wash yourself properly as a way of good manners before you are going to be intimate with them. Like I said, it is difficult to do without offending. My apologues you are offended by this. But I can answer your question about what I hope my clients do before a full escort session = showering as described above, with the additional step of douching. I certainly do, but I also wear deodorant, cologne, moisturize, put product in my hair, shave, add fresh bed sheets and towels, and tidy the apartment/hotel if I am hosting. You sound like someone who doesn't wipe their ass properly - god knows why else you would be defending this behavior. Madness. I hope you brush your teeth daily. I am actually shocked that it seems controversial to arrive properly cleaned to a session where you are going to be intimate with someone. The push back here is baffling. But once again - some guys are oblivious. Please shower throughly beforehand people, your provider will thank you and you will have a better experience as a result. What a crazy thing to have to explain to people. Sigh.

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so how much washing is required? fully soaped up ALL areas of body, including under arms, under balls, inside ass crack, around or even a little inside your hole, fully cover your cock and pull back foreskin if you have one, rinse all water off. Repeat if you can. then fully dry off. ideally brush teeth or at least gargle some mouthwash to freshen up if you are wanting kissing. You should wash yourself with vigor and be overly thorough. Treat it as if someone is about to inspect every inch of your body - which is generally what happens in a massage! Not just a quick rinse of water over your back or some water splashed on your face. Just because the client showered, does not mean he has done so properly. Not everyone has the awareness of hygiene, and it is really awkward and difficult to tell someone without offending. True Story - I offered a gentleman to have a shower when he arrived dripping with sweat and B.O and he said "i showered this morning." I said, "well I had one 10 minutes before you arrived, why don't you have another one now and freshen up - don't worry about the time it takes to be all clean, the session will not start until you are out of the bathroom." A normal person would read between the lines and go and throughly clean themselves, but this guy was in and out in probably under a minute. During the session he wanted me to suck him off and when I went down there I had to cut the session and say 'look we need a break, I need you to go back and really take your time cleaning up and washing everything down there, ok?' he replied "but why?" like I said earlier - OBLIVIOUS. I don't know if he wasn't wiping his ass properly or not, but the smell of shit, ball sweat and pre-cum is not a pleasant aroma for the best of us. The second time he went in the shower for maybe 2 minutes. Clearly not clean. I said, 'no no, let me come in with you' and had to wash him down myself.

I always offer my guests a chance to wash off in the shower and have the mouthwash ready by the sink. I also only buy fragrance free body soap so the men who have partners need not worry about having a different scent when they return home. @viewing ownly It might be helpful to simply ask your provider "hey do you have an mouthwash i can use?"

Unwashed and unclean.

This is very accurate. Many people contact via rentmen asking for massage only, sometimes they may only want a sensual massage, or they are scared about writing down what they REALLY want, which is completely understandable (although frustrating at times) A lot of clients are nervous full stop. Then there is a particular type of client that deliberately asks for massage only prices, but then try to receive full service upon meeting. (I always make it clear of the price structure before hand to avoid this) I fear the OP was offended when full service was not on the menu for the massage rate. Often rentmen are happy to upscale the session to full service rate when the client is comfortable (dick is rock hard) and asks for the next level. But by asking for massage only - it does also leave room for the provider to say "no this is massage only." And in cases where hygiene is an issue, well often the clients that have these issues are oblivious to it. The OP has left 6 contributions to the forums so far, 3 of which have ranged between completely negative to somewhat negative- and all mention MASSAGE ("great massage but not consistent" "i was 15 min late so we went straight to bed no massage and no offer to extend time" "airbnb was small") To me these comments indicate a client who is overly critical and extremely fussy, Like someone who posts bad yelp reviews when a restaurant makes them wait 5min for a table or doesn't refill the water quick enough. The only way we will know the truth is if the provider or client chooses to post a screenshot of MASSAGE ONLY discussion which i encourage either to do - [whilst redacting identifying numbers/screen names of course and staying within forum rules]

I have had a few different types of experiences and it either goes really well, or really bad. Bad first - Two friends (I think they actually met via craiglists or a forum like this) and the decided to go halves and hire a guy to share as they both enjoyed being dom. The problem arose when they realized they both had completely differing ideas of what "being dominant" meant for each of them and had no chemistry together. It ended up being very difficult for me, trying to please them simultaneously. I ended up having to treat them separately. Like - you first, then you second. The result was they both got a half hour session for about half the rate of a full hour (since they effectively split the bill) but they had to tolerate each other during it. It as clear they never knew each other and had only met that day, right then. It was a disaster. Good next - a group of guys that had played together before were having a party (more like a get together) and had me over to service them. It was a lot more relaxed despite there being many more guys. They were able to mingle and chill with each other when my hands were full. They all knew they were getting a turn, so there was no rush, no jealousy, no competition. The nights always ended up fantastic, and I always stayed way longer than planned or paid. The key for these things being successful is having all participants on the same page (prior relationships ideal) - not 'lets save money and all share one guy'.

Fascinating that a provider is effectively being told to 'shut up' in discussions about creating an environment that would foster and encourage more providers to participate. Bozo replies to my comment confirming that I agree with the assessment of his posts by questioning my truth as provider and saying that my value is worthless and yet me saying that I agree with (what appears to be) a consensus here on his regular posts......and yet I am the bad guy who should just be quiet/ say nothing/ don't defend myself. Lots of people here have mentioned Bozo, directly AND indirectly. He has been silent on every other reference to clowns in this thread but you both choose ME responding to him to berate and minimize. Says a lot.

And you will never know because I have tattoos, thank the lord. And if I didn't have them, nothing would encourage me to get them more so than reading your comments and knowing it would mean I am protected from you. (this comment from the CLOWN is one of the 'you don't even go here' comments I mentioned earlier. Exhibit A) Ok so by your own standard we can take your comments for exactly the same worth CLOWN. It is hysterical to me that you don't see the hypocrisy in this, but we never said you were a brain surgeon/rocket scientist. My comment wasn't nasty, it simply stating fact - @KensingtonHomo is fact 100% correct to point you out as the main offender. If this comment offends you, but don't want to take my 'zero worth' word for it? Simply read the many references to you on this very thread from everyone else, and then take a look in a (wall sized) mirror. If one person says something, its easy to brush off. But when multiple people, all completely unconnected are all saying the same thing - it is worth taking the time to sit with it and think 'maybe they are onto something'. ELSEWHERE: The loss of @BenjaminNicholas @Simon Suraci is a big one to this community . Now y'all are stuck with me instead. We reap what we sow I guess! For now, I'm going to stick to my rule of only being rude in return.

@KensingtonHomois 1000% correct and you @BOZO T CLOWN are one of, if not THE worst offenders in these forums as far as contributing to the toxicity that keeps not only providers but I am sure other contributors away.

I ask clients to tell me about themselves, but that is more for ice breaking and so I am aware of what I am getting into. While a photo is appreciated, for me it's never required. That said, it irritates me when I arrive and I am greeted with someone who is 500lbs or has a Santa Claus type beard. Once I arrived and the client was in a wheelchair. Not that I wouldn't see them , but I need to mentally prepare. Those that require pics are new to the game, and/or concerned they will not be able to perform. Doesn't mean they are bad providers, it does take time to cultivate the skill and it can initially be quite jarring to be intimate with someone you are not physically attracted to. snapchat/whatsapp/instagram are good for being able to send disappearing messages but a good quality provider will not ask for pics. A good confident client will send them anyway.

I find providers do this if they are planning a trip a few weeks in advance. Do you mind letting us know where you are? If it is a smaller city it can be that they are testing the waters and when not enough people apply they choose to go somewhere more lucrative.

I agree with everything the providers have said here, with the exception that we don't advertise here - every post here is an advertisement and a work of PR. Intentionally or not. I started this moniker after long time reading posts and thinking - what if I contribute and said out loud what we are thinking without the restrictions of worrying how it will affect my brand? And so many questions on threads are asked, where to me the answer seems so obvious. I wanted to participate and not be burdened by having to PR manage myself. For eg. One thread asked 'Would providers would prefer a nice time with a booking, or a tip'. Well, we like both, but if we had to pick one, I replied we would prefer a tip. What followed was someone admonishing me 'instead of wanting a tip why don't you just raise your price' I replied - "well, because that wasn't an option in the question that was posed." He replied "you didn't answer my question and you are not a moderator so BUZZ OFF'. How lovely. So this ignited another curiosity - what would be the result if I spit the same venom back at the people who post it here so regularly? Would it make people sit back and think 'oh this is how i sound?' Would I get pleasure ticking them off? (how many times, in ANY industry, have we wished we could tell a customer or collegue how silly we think they are. There is not one person in the world who hasn't wished they could tell their boss to go suck it.) The experiment was doomed to fail because we are all our own hero in our own story and it often went straight over their heads. I never posted a mean comment unless it was in reply, yet the vitriol comes at me in spades. One time I even copy/pasted a comment they themselves had previously made and the person still never realized this but were of course- incredibly offended. There has also definitely been an element of 'you don't even go here!'. 'A real provider would NEVER think this!' 'My paid friends told me so, so you must be lying!' I have received some private messages of encouragement though so I guess it balances out in the end? Anyway - I am not surprised more providers haven't participated. You just need to read the threads and see the way providers are spoken about to see why. I can't say it better than people who are providers already have. SIDE NOTE- My real life experiences with clients are for the most part, incredibly lovely. 99% of the people I actually meet are fantastic. I have had some really special and intimate moments, helped people through hard and personal times in their lives in a way that only a provider can. I have had some incredible sex with clients and even with actual porn stars, travelled to cities I otherwise would not been able to. I have clients that have become good friends. Sometimes in my head I say "man i am so lucky, I would do this for free!" I work hard and I look after myself but I am blessed that I am also attractive enough to be in the industry. I don't ever forget that, and that I am lucky and am grateful. I am not arrogant about the fact that I get to do this. I don't walk around thinking 'i deserve this'. The experience of real life compared to this forum is like night and day. There IS a reason more of us don't post. If people want that to change, some people here should really think about how they contribute to that.... or even dare I say it: why some of us only post anonymously?

oh they don't see the irony at all in condemning the behavior that they themselves are actively engaging in. If anonymity = suspicious, then he is equally so. But he's positioning himself as somehow more legitimate, which makes it veer further from amusingly ironic to just downright hypocritical - not to mention it doesn't hold up logically. In any case: it was a barely interesting shot from another anonymous account. Meh. Let him post his LinkedIn account here, then we will talk.

Ignore it, then it becomes truth. Defend it, and have asinine comments like this. Dammed if you do, Dammed if you don't. So many assumptions made about the PNP on a profile- does it mean he likes to drink? Does it mean he doesn't mind if you parTy but he himself does not. Does it mean he likes to light up a joint but nothing harder? Well, you know what they say about assumptions right? Having said that, I'm pretty confident that when I make the assumption that you would also be similarly upset if you had a performance review posted on a notice board at your work place for all your colleagues and clients to see (which is what this site essentially is) that said you were a drug addict. Then when you rebut it you were accused of clutching your pearls with comments like yours above, it would probably further upset you. The thing about throwing mud is: it sticks. That is why trolls do it- they are like pigs, or dare I even say it: CLOWNS. @JacOB SESSION - You are not wrong for being upset. Anyone would be. Trolls are awful. There can be a 99 people in a room saying great things - but then one person makes a nasty snide comment and it suddenly becomes the loudest. I'd encourage you to delete this particular thread so when potential clients search you up here they don't read all this nonsense. However the advice to remove PNP from your profile is also sound. I find clients searching for PNP play have no issue asking you if you indulge whether it is on your profile or not, which gives you the chance to clarify your level of comfort in that area when they do. When lies are posted it is easy for people to say 'just ignore it', and it is hard to not react emotionally. We are effectively a small business, and false negative reviews have devastating and disproportionate consequences for us. To clarify - What may seem to some on this board as a silly throw away comment that took zero energy to make can mean we no longer can pay our rent, and stays up in perpetuity which feels particularly unfair when the comment is not true. My advice is to take a breath, and reply with factual statements and not opinions. ( for eg. "i am versatile and provide bottoming and topping for my clients." instead of defending your feelings on power bottoming/bottom shaming.) After that you make this type of statement- which i think you did a pretty good job of anyway - then leave it be. Like all trolls, monsters or CLOWNS the more you feed them the fatter and uglier they become. And like most pigs, they actually enjoy rolling in shit and getting fat. Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it. Sit above it and be clean.

Wrong. Client's who don't waste my time, and actually HIRE me - we have a great time. There has never been a post that I have complained about clients I have actually spent time with. Once again - this thread is not about CLIENTS. it is about people who view profiles and get blocked. Someone asked why it happens - I reply : because it's annoying. These people are not clients - Client's are people who have hired. If you are doing this - you are not a client, you are not paying, so you can have a FULL REFUND if that makes you feel better.