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We're working within a marketplace, where there seems to be a service for everyone if you dig deep enough. Some providers are willing to dabble in exchange for that extra "tip." Men get horny. Not easy to hide on a massage table. Once the spirit is lifted, out comes a menu of possibilities. Part of this fantasy, part of this thrill is getting more for less. Also, massage with sex is a very different feeling than just sex. It's a different service, especially in the brain. There aren't many guys out there who possess the talent, who know how to deliver both, while taking the massage aspect seriously. As long as the search goes on, rules don't seem to apply.

It appears you don't realize the amount of money some men are willing to throw at this thrill ride.

I think for some guys it is a date. Hard to tell how the fantasy mind works on individuals. From reading this board, some guys do endless research, usually trying to figure out their chances of getting an escort experience out of a guy. My gut tells me that Rob did not want to be an escort. I believe he was partnered when I saw him. He loved the therapeutic aspect of massage, and he loved being and receiving sensuality. He is a gay man, and he's human. With some guys he might go further, and that would depend on the day, on the mood, on the stars. Some guys don't want to be predictable. Some guys don't want to fulfill certain expectations each and every time. Rob once told me, "Don't always expect that." I told him I respect his wishes, and I always will. He was too good, too talented to mistreat.

Rob is that rare find. He knows he has talent, and he enjoys being sensual. He is a sensitive human being who likes to share. He senses when the body on his table is willing to surrender. He is masculine, and doesn't talk too much. He also has a terrific body odor. Never an upsell. Easy to share your desires. If he were still in NYC, I would be seeing him regularly. I always had a wonderful time with him, and my body fully appreciated his gifts.

It was a first for me. I have never seen a half-naked homeless man, playing with his dick, lying down on 4 seats during the day in Manhattan. I use the Q train regularly to get to the Upper East Side. The new 2nd Ave portion is fantastic. No faster way to get to the East 90's. I often take the F to Red Hook in Brooklyn or north to Rockefeller Center. All the people who take trains in NYC look the same to me. Most look like hard-working New Yorkers, or tourists. Yes, there are quite a few beggars, but begging in the NYC subways has been present long before I moved here. It never occurred to me to grade a train by "aggressive" beggars. Everyone in NYC seems aggressive to me. How else can one survive this fabulous jungle?

I take the subway all the time. The only crimes I have witnessed are young people jumping the turnstiles. That has been going on for 50+ years. These past six months, I've seen plenty of cops underground, and the trains are packed, sardine packed, and I'm not talking about rush hour. It seems lots of tourists this year. The homeless woman who got burned was in a parked train at the last stop on Coney Island. The suspect appears to have mental problems, and more details are to come. During the very cold spells, more homeless are using the trains to get warm. The homeless situation in NYC has never been good, but since Covid, it's been very bad. Last week, I stepped onto a packed Q train. Lying on one of the 4-seat sections was a very thin homeless guy, shirtless. He had his hand down his pants, and he was mumbling something. He looked like someone on heroin, possibly in his 30's. It was not an easy thing to witness. It was freezing outside. People rushed to get inside this car, but when they discovered him, they were stuck. The train's doors had already closed, and there was no room to move anywhere. I wasn't close enough to experience his odor. He was a mess (but had the potential to be good looking). There has always been crime in the subways, especially in winter. So many among the homeless in America are suffering from mental illness. There are no easy answers or remedies.

I like his look. Do any New Yorkers know if he's traveling with a table?

LOL. Better than Google Translate.

LOL. Far from it. If I had the libido I had 30+ years ago, I'd be a horny dog barking up every hot masseur I could find.

I know. But since time in immemorial I have never seen the words Covid or Monkeypox in a massage ad, and we see those words now. Things change, and some things are very different now. I suspect a State licensing board would disagree. But HE customers don't care. Don't spoil their fantasies.

I don't know anyone who has pristine skin. I also don't know any doctor who examines a patient without gloves on. It's impossible to know the details of a circumstance that happened in private. We can easily guess for 20 more pages. Even highly trained, licensed massage therapists are not trained to identify every skin condition. Some of you should Google "contagious skin conditions." I had a rash once near my ankle, after flying home from a trip abroad, that several doctors could not diagnose. I first went to a local clinic, and the entire staff came to look at my rash because everyone there was baffled. Of course all those initial doctors wanted to believe it was some version of lyme. Turns out they were all wrong. Many of you guys think it's normal, safe or even "healthy" to get bare-handed HE massages from someone who does this work by the hour. That's a lot of bodily fluids, in a dimly lit space, washing across a lot of bare skin of strangers. How well does each provider take care of himself? To each his own on taking risks. How "ridiculous" is it for a service provider to not wear gloves?

OMG. I got a tingle in my groin after reading this. A head and neck massage after release is pure heaven. Brought back so many fond memories of how many guys used to do it. Too bad this beauty is in NJ. Can't do that.

There is maybe one photo where he looks his actual age. Too many of these smartphone photos have a glaze over them. I guess it's a special effect. I could never let someone who looks this young touch my naked body. The visual is too creepy for me.

Wow, that seems extreme. I might question the software, and contact RM. When I was a Premium Member, I went back and forth on every NYC ad. I was doing research, so I can only imagine what the providers were thinking. The only a-hole who attacked me for not booking was Michael the Russian, and that was without ever emailing him. We had no contact whatsoever. I think he went by MeltInMyHands. His a-hole behavior was notorious. Several threads here. I wrote RM and complained. I sent them the threatening emails this a-hole sent me. I believe he got kicked off RM. The NYC market seems more professional, even among the HE group who have had no training at all. I can only imagine what RM is like for others. Scary. Cancellations happen. They are a fact of life. Yes, some a-holes will abuse, but it's never considered professional to assume all customers who have to cancel are a-holes. I had to tell a recent first-time masseur that my body sometimes rejects the medication I take. I usually know in the early morning, and I typically book massage for later in the day. He told me he would not accept a last minute cancellation, so I did not book with him. What was I supposed to do? Would he have treated me better if I had a full blown accident on his table? Sometimes, with certain people, you can't succeed. Much better to simply move on, and give your money to someone more worthy.

He sure is cute.

IME, in a Physical Therapy setting, which is often a hospital or clinic, and where massage is part of the PT service, the therapists won't touch you without gloves on. Gloves are worn even when taking temperature or blood pressure. I have always assumed this had something to do with Covid. Not only do PT therapists wear gloves, in NYC, the staff is still wearing masks. I don't know if the rules are mandatory, because not everyone follows them. They may only be recommendations. When I get a pedicure these days, which includes leg/calf massage, I've yet to find someone working without gloves. Toe nail fungus and athlete's feet are very common, so gloves make sense to me. I haven't been to a spa setting in a very long time, but I've never experienced gloves there. However, I've never experienced a massage therapist not wash his hands immediately after the work. You are taught the importance of doing this in training. Depending on the number of customers per day, washing your hands often, each day, every week of work, can produce all sorts of problems with hand skin. Many service providers will resort to wearing gloves simply to protect their own health. I'm sure wearing gloves, especially these days, is far more common than we wish to believe. From a health perspective, it really is a smart choice. Real life isn't a porn movie. HE massages usually don't follow any rules. What risks are we willing to take?

I can most definitely tell you from decades of experience, the size or appearance of the hands has nothing to do with guessing quality of work. On top of that, just because a massage therapist may look like a gym God, it does not mean he knows how to put power, heat, or energy behind his hands to perform deep work. More often than not, I have been surprised by who actually has the gift. There have been exceptions, but mostly I've been surprised. A large, insensitive hand on my erection? I'll pass. (Edit) Look at the hands on many of the edging videos. I don't think I've ever seen large hands among the truly gifted.

I did see him. His name is Shen, and he is very professional. Shen Sifu Integrated Wellness SHENSIFU.COM Relax. Restore. Revitalize. He is a lovely, soft-spoken, serious man. Well trained, and very respectful. He has a high quality, very comfortable table, with fully adjustable headrest. The soft sheet covering also felt good against the skin. He has gifted hands, for sure, and does wonderful Shiatsu on the feet. He seems capable of strong pressure, if needed, but I specifically asked to go a bit lighter. I did not fall asleep, and the pain I endured was clearly good pain. A strong warmth seems to emanate from his hands, which my body appreciated. Best of all, he uses Biotone, which is a massage cream I really like. I only booked one hour, which is typical of a first time visit. Next time I will book 90 minutes, because one hour is not enough time to do the work that my body needs. (Edit) omg, I forgot to add he offers a discounted rate for first time customers; $120 for 75 minutes. It was this incentive that motivated me to give him a try. I'm glad I did.

Has anyone tried Why Not Men's Spa in Greenwich Village? Pricing – Why Not Men's Spa WHYNOTMENSPA-NYC.COM They claim to do Waxing and Trim, which seems to imply electric clippers (maybe scissors or razor?). Buttocks are $35, and Brazilian Bikini (a woman's term at a men's spa) for $50. Can't beat the pricing. Has anyone tried them, for any service? (Edit) So I called Why Not and spoke to a gentleman at the front desk. He confirmed there are two different prices; one for waxing, one for electric clipper trimming. I asked about "buttocks," and he said the service includes "between the cheeks." I also mentioned my front groin area, and he said for front and back the trim service is a $75 package. He said all the practitioners at the spa were males, no women. If anyone has any experience here, please PM me, thanks.

LOL. He's got quite the collection of flip-flops, and a catalog for resort wear.

Moving forward, it's probably a good idea to play low on the subject of erotic, and wait for a safer opportunity to discuss such things. Some guys won't care, but others will care a great deal. I predict the industry is about to come under more scrutiny, and certain people are going to feel some pain, if they are not more careful.

That thought never entered my brain. I prefer to give most gay men the benefit of the doubt. You never really know whether you dodge a bullet, because you never really know how a massage guy is going to behave until after you strip naked and get on the table. I've had many guys surprise me with their desire to explore further when all I was looking for was a good massage. Sex is usually the last thing on my mind. I realize that makes me an outlier here.

Works for me. Same here. Even if you're a straight masseur, I like the balls it takes to attract a gay customer. Most guys who advertise on gay massage sites aren't going to freak out if they touch your balls, or include your genitals, or if you request total nudity. It's the right place to shop for my kind of serious massage.

No way. I contacted him early on, before doing more research. I think I sent him a photo. He had no problem saying yes. Then I dug deeper. Saw the thread links that dated back years. I rejected him long ago. Furthermore, with all those zen words in his ads, not one word about being licensed.

KingdelRey partners with Eliron, who I find very attractive. Eliron happens to own a beautiful erection, with an amazing body. These guys are probably not pro-trained masseurs, but I could sure imagine a fun touching fantasy unfold with a 4-hand purchase. It's not a fantasy I can afford, but I sure do appreciate hearing from others who did the hire. If anyone does a 4-hand with these two guys, please feel free to PM me, and share the details (and maybe some photos). I would be forever grateful. Thank you. 🥰