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Yes, that would be awful.

Very true. Absolutely cannot deal with soap scent in any way. And god forbid if the cock/balls taste like soap. No go. I've always enjoyed discovering the scent of hairless men. So far, the hairy (overly muscled) men shown on this thread do nothing for me.

Just goes to show, one man's horror is another man's sweetheart. The road is treacherous, gentlemen. Drive with caution and street smarts.

Good luck with that.

Impatience? Overly needy? What do you look like? What is your perception of your looks? They could be two different things. How does anyone define attractive? How insecure are you? The last thing I think about when I get on someone's table is whether or not he will find me attractive. I worry more about finding the masseur attractive, and more importantly, finding talent. No one has ever called me ugly, or worse, grotesque. I'm certainly not the hottie of my youth, but I assume because of my old age, no man in his 30's is going to have the hots for me. So why think about such things? I really dislike delusion. I'm on the table for a service. If it works out, great. If not, I move on. Sometimes the worst thing you can do is fawn too much. Fawning tends to be interpreted as desperate. Many good looking guys are seriously turned off by desperate. Social skills, they matter.

"Hello officer, I'm stuck at a HE men's spa, and they won't let me go because I refuse to submit to the upsell. This is kidnapping. Can you come quick?" LOL. The silly things some gay men say.

The scent of a man is so individual. Not only the pits, but especially a sweaty groin area. I ask all my masseurs to not wear deodorant, and allow me to visit after a workout. Most comply without issue. IME, it is not easy to find someone who clicks. I did see a well-reviewed guy here who would grace my nose with his armpit while he worked on me. His scent was nice, but a bit too subtle. He left NYC. Some guys smell plain awful, or the scent isn't quite the right one. I like sweet musky. When the musk goes sour, it can be an issue. Long ago, I put my scent fetish in my profile. I simply say, "If you've ever been complimented on your body odor during sex, I want to hire you." I'm still looking for right guy. The gym locker room was always a fun place to test someone's air. I did get hard a few times, but it's not easy to approach a stranger on this. And if the neighbor locker guy is straight, it can get ugly. Maybe this thread will inspire.

But only among customers who seek this specific service.

If he's talented, I wouldn't mind looking up and seeing him from my massage table.

It can be called several things. Quid pro quo, barter, trade, and the p word. I'm sure in some cases it could be called extortion. This concept of paying double-plus the fee-for-service (under the table but out in the open) is new. I don't know any other service where this would be considered standard operating behavior. I'm not sure we should be normalizing it.

Except "tipping" in one of these HE spas is not normal tipping. It seems silly to try to pretend otherwise.

While the above quote is true, there are many people who refuse to deal with acts of confrontation. In order to challenge a service provider in any way, the challenge requires social skill, sometimes an exercise in sensitivity, which could easily be interpreted as confrontational. Many, many people are simply incapable of going there. And on the other side of the coin, a customer never knows how a service provider might react when a customer confronts. Behavior could get very defensive and ugly on a dime. I imagine many guys who fall in the category of disliking confrontation come here for research and guidance, to obviously avoid any kind of disaster. Thank goodness for this board.

I agree, you pay for the service you get, not the service you booked but did not receive. I'm an anti-piercing guy. I can barely deal with tattoos. If I had a relationship with a masseur, and the service included kissing, and then one day I show up to find a piercing in his lip, I would probably throw up. For me, that would be a very negative surprise, a total turn-off. If mutual touch was also part of the past experience, and the guy arrives with a band aid on his cock without saying anything about it before he arrives, then I would classify that as unprofessional. I would see this appointment as a pure money-grab, with no respect for the former client, whatsoever. This behavior is a good reason to move on. As others have noted, nothing terrific lasts forever, especially when it comes to this kind of service.

You're definitely not alone. So many of the these HE guys are "mileage may vary" types, you just never know what can happen if the masseur decides he likes what is lying on his table. Back when sex was important to me, I always went to a massage appointment ready for anything. More often than not, I received a surprise. Many of these guys are great at teasing, so if they're willing to go there, even for extra money, I'm happy to be prepared. The preparation almost always worked out in my favor. I once had a straight masseur who saw I was fully erect, and that damn thing was going nowhere, clearly getting in the way. Without touching my cock, he decided to work his finger-pressure technique around my groin area, and he made me orgasm. He cleaned me up, and went on with the massage. Not a word spoken. Needless to say, I tipped him well. He moved out of NYC, otherwise I'd still be seeing him.

I don't understand why more and more people are opposed to learning. I have always appreciated having a more knowledgeable person in my company. Too many people have short fuses these days, and leave their minds closed. I had no idea that "nip" meant something negative to an Asian. But the awkward conversation reminded me of an Asian masseur I went to once, at a legit spa, who did his massage shirtless. His body was incredibly tight, with remarkable muscle definition and the smoothest skin. As he was working my arms, the back of my hands rested and slid along his chest. I thought I felt his nipples getting hard. When he changed positions, moving his body towards my waist, he pulled my arms to his chest. This time, I could actually touch his hard nipples. I was too weak to resist. I gently caressed one, and he whispered, "Be careful. My nips are sensitive, and cause my dick to get hard." Needless to say, I had great fun with this hot guy. He ended up sitting on my face, with an ass that was made for porn. Unbelievable experience. Thank you for jolting my memory.

I'm not computer savvy, but I've never heard of any of the above options. I had no idea so many options were available. This is what I've always used: Google Images IMAGES.GOOGLE.COM Google Images. The most comprehensive image search on the web.

$400 is way over budget for me, but he looks sexy as hell to me. Maybe if he smelled great, squatted over your face, and let you play with his foreskin during a session, he might be worth going broke for. Does anyone know if has massage skill?

Sorry, I somehow missed that. Who on earth has a problem with Manhattan geography when they have Google Maps? Or maybe "upper Manhattan" is not a place to pull out a cell phone? I didn't claim anyone was racist. My comment referred to ”not a place for the uninitiated." Would you use those words to describe finding a masseur in Greenwich Village, a notorious neighborhood for getting lost or finding certain addresses? I don't agree with that. I use the subway daily, at all hours. There are cops everywhere. Crime stats are down. I tire easily from fake news.

Very strange comment. Retro and racist. To me, it sounds like someone who hasn't been north in the last 20 years. I don't think there is a stretch of land in Manhattan that has not been re-gentrified. I don't know every street, but I have two doctors and a storage space in "upper Manhattan," all different areas. The neighborhoods that I have discovered are beautiful; gorgeous buildings on lovely, clean, tree-lined streets. Far more friendly than my own. Harlem, in particular, has changed a lot through the years. It's silly to say this, but there's a fabulous Whole Foods on 125th Street. The most recent data claims that Harlem is now 46% non-Black. A similar stat can be found for Bedford-Stuy (Brooklyn), which was once far more notorious than Harlem ever was. Frankly, if you want to avoid stabbings and drug addicts when visiting a private massage therapist, I'd avoid the wealthy East Village, which seems to be in the news daily.

Smoking: Not in sessions. BB: anything goes. Yikes.

LOL. I think in the normal world it's called sexual harassment.

What a rude and obnoxious projection. Everything you wrote is false. I'd be happy to talk about the issue of Chinese-owned, male spa harassment in NYC, but this board has rules, and that discussion would quickly turn political.

LOL. As if anyone who is anti-gay or in law enforcement cares about this opinion. I totally understand it. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

It often seems like someone is preying on a age-old stereotype, assuming that non-Asians can't tell one Asian face from another. Perhaps it's true, if the the customer is based in a small Midwestern town. However, these days, especially with photos on the internet, the stereotype is dying. Gay men in particular tend to notice details, so this sham (if one exists), seems a silly effort to me. The guy in the photo is cute, whoever he is. ps Whoever thought that name was a good marketing idea is extremely funny.

Not only does it let you communicate with the masseurs, you get to keep track of those communications, and never forget the questions you asked and the answers provided. You also get to create your own profile, and can add your own photos to it. My profile explains what I like and what I'm looking for, and my photos show what will be lying on their table. I find all this very helpful when trying to book with someone of quality. Several guys have commented on my profile, and wrote to say they are what I'm looking for. I appreciate that.