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It's unprofessional in an escort setting. In a massage setting, I think that some providers use the massage thing as cover for escorting, hence the upselling for additional services. I have been offered additional services for additional charges, and I have said no since I am satisfied with what was agreed, and he did delivered what we agreed. I have also said yes, and got a little more escorting type of service in addition to the massage, and I have been ok. Otherwise, like Simon mentioned, not upselling some extras might be underpriced escorting. There's no absolute rule for any of this, so it's not easy to standarize the practice. However, an escort interrupting a session of what it is already expected and negotiated, to just ask for more money is not only unprofessional, but it gives the provider a bad reputation, In these times where communication is easier, reviews are available and places like this forum exist, it's just bad enterpreneurship for providers to incur in that practice.

Short answer, yes. Some clients are too sensitive. What I believe is up for discussion is the reason for it. Some people are not fully confident about hiring. Some struggle with all the feelings that come with hiring an escort. The reply from the client might have nothing to do with neither the location nor the provider. Who knows what's going on inside the head of that person. The possibilities of the feelings behind the reaction are endless.

Or else!

Personally, I can't care less about any aspect of it. She's not shocking to me, by wearing a jockstrap, I'm not shocked by people who are offended or outraged, and it's far from the gayest thing I've ever seen.

Saddest thing is that the idiot girlfriend that he's living with probably is laughing at the whole thing, not knowing that she might be next. Or she might not be aware of anything and just either looking the other way or seeing and hearing only what she likes.

His profile desription is minimal, and he lists incalls for $25,015,030. A little out of my budget.

Bump. Has anyone seen him?

Happy Valentine's day!

Because he's entitled to manage his time as he sees it fit. I am no expert in exercising, but I do know that having a steady routine for working out is best to ensure that one maintains the body properly, body that BTW is giving him his clients. Think of it as times when businesses are closed to clients for staff training or maintenance. That is his training and maintenance time. That should be respected. It's not that he's rejecting you (assuming that he's expressing availability at a different time).

At least in the late 90s and early 2000s when I lived in NYC, it was pretty much the same there. I used to call it "Bottomland" (not a critique). Same thing with me, I used to call myself an "existential top". Not that I was complaining, but the vast majority of the guys I dated or hooked up with were bottoms, some quite strict about it. Even one or two of those guys who can't shut up about being tops, I ended up shutting their "not exactly their mouths".

I took a screenshot and look in the lower right corner. Is shows "Versatile". I hope this helps. Have fun (if you decide to hire him)!

Haven't had the pleasure of meeting him, but wanted to point that his profile says that he's versatile. He might bottom for you (or me).

I don't know about other men's particular desires/reasons to hire, but I don't think that there is some kind of contractual obligation for people to sign to be a top, bottom or versatile. People's predilections evolve, sexuality is fluid, they are in a business where they are to make money based on what sells, I mean, the reasons for them to "become" of one role to another are endless. Yes, feeling better about their bodies, or developing bodies for the purpose of selling themselves as tops is also a good reson for them to do it. Kudos to all of them. The more they provide the more clients they can have. I also know that to many gay men, theirs and the role of the person they are with is trated like religion and politics; they are very strict about it and want nothing to do (some have actually become hostile) with people who don't meet that particular criteria. There's no right/wrong answers. However, IMO, the more narrow and specific one is, the less the possibilities of finding people who cater whatever requirements. The role that they are willing to play when I hire is what matters to me, not what they have done in the past or will do with others. Just my opinion, not law.

Now it's a priviledge having experienced that. I wish I had the opportunity.

Am I overinflating its use?

I do notice provider profiles with lots of pictures without a smile. Never took time to think about possible reasons, and honestly, that hasn't determe from reaching out. Their mouths get quite busy, so I don't pay much attention 🙂

I agree about Madrid and Barcelona being the closest to Bangkok in that respect. Never been to London. However, I've never experienced negative attitude in Bangkok, whereas in Spain I did. Had fun anyway, but some providers could do better if they lose their overinflated ego. Just my experience, my opinion, not law.

The way I see it, many young people tend to overinflate their worth. I normally dismiss that as lack of experience. That said, as good as both Cade and Nick look, I'm not sure I am willing to pay that much for an hour of their time.

My father became a born again Christian weirdo when I was 9. Every single thing that he'd say or do was around his interpretation of the bible. So, in his mind, he was a loving, responsible father providing the best advice one can give to a son. In reality he was talking to me about the threat of getting killed by "God" over adultery, fornication, prostitution, sodomy, incest, rape, homosexuality and sex before marrying a woman (highly preferred to be a virgin). He also despised second marriages and never accepted anyone's second wife as a legitimate one. As a religiously addicted/brainwashed weirdo, he was unable to talk without having his bible in his hand, as some kind of security blanket for everything, well, almost everything. Seems like he never thought of us, his children, as people with cognition and minds on our own, enough to discern the hypocrisy. In social settings, when he was angry, or in the midst of how work, you could see his real self, cursing, being violent, making dirty jokes, and expressing thrill when talking about certain sex topics. I was years ahead in school, and back in the day they had some kind of sex education, and I remember someone coming to my classroom when I was in fourth grade (although age-wise I was supposed to be in second grade, and that makes a world of difference at that stage of development) to give us a speech about sex. They showed a 8 mm film with information about sex, which I couldn't grasp or understand at all (interestingly, the only thing that I remember today about that film was seeing an erected penis). I had no clue what the whole thing was about. Later in middle school, there was another visitor who came to talk about sex, but that one was focused on STDs, showing slides with graphic pictures of infected penises and vaginas with gonorrhea. I remember that I fainted when they showed eyes infected with it, had to leave the room. I also remember being all by myself, not a single soul asked me if I was ok. Then, in the rather fucked up public education system where I grew up, I had quite a few inappropriate teachers integrating things that are not exactly appropriate for children into class. One of them was a literature teacher who had us read a prison rape scene. Another was a biology teacher making comments about how great is to fuck a pregnant woman because "she's already open". Another history teacher was telling stories about the sexual practices of the elite in ancient Rome that involved using slaves in any way they wanted, and buying children for sexual pleasure. That's the "birds and bees" I got as a child. Pretty, right?

Welcome to the forum.

I am a client, and I just accept that there are some providers who are above what I am willing to pay. Nothing wrong with them asking for what they ask, nothing wrong with me not hiring them for it. Some have been around for some time, so to me that means that they seem to be doing well with their prices. Why on Earth will they want to lower the price? Also, not to me, but I have wirnessed others mentioning that lowering the price does not leave a good impression in some clients, as they take that as them cheapening themselves, disparate, or that there has to be something wrong with them, or that they are a scam. So no, I am against lowering prices. If I cannot afford it, or if I don't find that price reasonable, I just move on. I don't think that either me or the provider loses anything for not having my business.

I cannot agree more. When it comes to relationships, I have what I call "a resume". Before my husband of 22 years, I had several other relationships. All of them started what people seem to think it's the "right way", that is, meeting in a place/setting that doesn't involve cruising or sex, date and get to know a little bit before decide to have sex. Not rushing things, getting to know a little more about their world, family, friends, etc. All of that I did. Not a one of those relationships went anywhere. In fact, some of them were quite toxic and dysfunctional. I cannot agree more. With my now husband, I knew what his ass tastes like before learning his name. We fucked the hell of each other in a place that definitely deserves the title of "dirty place" because is was seedy and filthy. We paired up fucking every other guy who came to that filthy place, and took turns in some impromptu gangbang. We exchanged numbers, and I forgot about it, as I was living in NJ, and that encounter was in Philly. About a month later I decided to take another trip there and called him, and we agreed to meet at a cafe. That was our first date, and I had no idea that it was (I was more interested in tallking about what groups sex setting we were going to partake that day). The rest is... not exactly history, actually. We decided to date, but then I lost my job in NJ, then my car, then my apartment, and in the meantime I decided to apply for a job in Philly and got it, so within a month of "dating" I was already living with him, which is supposed to be another big "no no" in the gay dating advise world. We never had a honeymoon period because immediately serious problems started happening on both our individual lives. He lost his job, I lost my mom, he got really sick, then I got really sick, then his new job had different schedule and we never saw each other, we went from dating to family crisis. And there were times that love was not the reason why we stayed together. Need and staying together being the least bad option was what kept us together at times. And here we are, 22 years later and cannot live without each other. So yes, life is never an either/or thing. Possibilites always exist in unlikely places and settings.

Yes, didn't feel funny at the time, but it does now, especially knowing that he doesn't seem to be around anymore. Probably burned too many bridges behind him, who knows. About the money, I figure it's best to cut my loses and accept that not all of these experiences are going to be as expected. He should have not charged me at all (IMO), but that was part of his lack of professionalism.

Interesting topic. In my experience, and also witnessing the life of people I care about, friends and family, I have seen many times the issue of lack of intimate connection, and ways of dealing wit it, many times. Personally I have concluded that this is part of people's own journey in life, and I am no one to tell what (or if there) is a right way of dealing with our own desire for intimate connections. First, I've found that what that means for different people is not the same. Some men are quite happy with having casual affairs every now and then and living their lives by themselves. Others seem to have a strong need and starve for the care and attention of another man in an intimate way, and have taken care of it in ways that are healthy, and in ways that are unhealthy. One of my friends is in some kind of recovery program from sex addiction, which he defines as en excessive consumption of his own financial and emotional resources in the pursue of intimacy and excitement in the form of casual sexual encounters. He told me that he has "tried it all" in the sexual expression arena. His recovery program seems to be focused in looking for that connection in ways that are not harmful to him. I'm no mental health expert, so I cannot comment on how effective his approach is. He seems ok and he's still my friend, so I guess that whatever he's doing works for him. Early in my adult life as a gay man, I immediately started noticing the issue of disconnection between us. I remember thinking "How come that we are so many, we know each other, we are together, we live the same or similar experience, we suffer similar social oppresions and struggles and yet, it seems like we just fail to find each other?" Through the decades, I've seen many gay men expressing their loneliness and starve for intimate connections, but sadly, when you take a closer look, none of their actions, attitudes and beliefs lead to legitimately looking for it, or willingness to provide it to others. Some are more interested in physical attributes, social status, or in the ridiculous fantasy of getting intimacy from a heterosexual man (a person who by the very definition of who they are, doesn't like you and has no interest in intimacy with you). Some providers have offered me their friendship, and I have accepted it in some cases. One masseur actually hinted me that wanted to get to know me a little more (that's when I told him that I forgot to mention that I am married). My point is that even if there is a slight possibility that a provider might show some interest in something deeper, the reality and the possibility are minimal, and that is aside from the degree of comfort that a client might have with the provider continuing providing to other clients, had something deeper develops. Then there's the issue of what does such intimacy look to you. Does it involve love, sex, frienship, support, presence when you are in need, or a combination of any of the above? That is something that we define for our own selves, and then that's something that we decide where (or if) to look for it. I hope you find what you need and find it in a way that is healthy for your wellbeing and for your wallet.

what I have learned is that there are providers with multiple appointments, so they try not to wear themselves out too much. I personally go into an appointment with a provider with that as a premise, that I am most certainly not the one and only person that they are going to see that day. I am ok with them not coming if they don't want to, for as long as I have a good experience. Yes, the more the provide knows about what you'd like to experience, the better they can tell you if they can accommodate.