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So I decided to have fun with ChatGPT about this. My prompt: "Write a post for a forum thread for gay men. The subject is about the definition of versatile/top and versatile/bottom." What it returned (it made the assumption that I'm the one starting the thread): Here’s a clear, respectful forum-style post you could use: --- **Thread: What Do “Versatile/Top” and “Versatile/Bottom” Actually Mean?** I’ve noticed that a lot of guys use the labels *versatile/top* and *versatile/bottom*, and sometimes people interpret them differently. I thought it might be helpful to break down what they generally mean in practice. **Versatile (vers)** means someone is comfortable with both roles during anal sex—both topping and bottoming. When someone adds **/top** or **/bottom** after versatile, it usually indicates a **preference**, not a strict rule. * **Versatile/Top (vers/top):** This usually means the person can bottom but **prefers to top most of the time**. If the chemistry or situation is right, they’re open to bottoming, but topping is their default or favorite role. * **Versatile/Bottom (vers/bottom):** This means the person can top but **generally prefers to bottom**. They might top occasionally, but bottoming is what they enjoy more often. So a simple way to think about it is: * **Top:** only or almost always tops * **Bottom:** only or almost always bottoms * **Vers:** happy doing both about equally * **Vers/Top:** mostly tops, sometimes bottoms * **Vers/Bottom:** mostly bottoms, sometimes tops Of course, these labels are just **shortcuts for communication**. Everyone’s preferences can vary depending on the partner, mood, chemistry, or situation. Some people also use the terms differently, so it’s always best to talk about expectations with a partner rather than relying entirely on labels. And it made the following suggestion: If you want, I can also write a slightly more casual version, a shorter version, or one tailored for apps like Grindr/Scruff discussions. === ChatGPT sounds a little contrived to me. My personal thoughts about those definitions are that they don't mean much to me in reality for the following reasons: 1. Historically, in this life I've flipped more "tops" than I care to admit. 2. Sometimes the providers use those labels as part of their marketing, asking for more money for "making an exception" and do the opposite of what they advertise. 3. As you can see from the replies, it means different things to different people, as their experiences vary. 4. Those labels don't accommodate for the wealth of sexual practices involved in sexual expression. Furthermore, they seem to address only this one part of a sex session that involves penetration, leaving the rest of a sexual encounter out of the discussion, which is while profiles provide additional information about what people are into. In the end, what helps me clarify expectations is asking the provider. However, also in my experience, some have been sensitive to the subject, particularly those who I call "I'm a top, I'm a TOP, I'M A TOP!!!!" guys. They carry their being a top more zealously than some people carry their political or religious beliefs. So I ask, but I also ask tactfully.

My two cents (pun intended): What it means is that some people are ready to argue, "cancel", be "offended" and become verbally abusive simply for one stating ones' opinion. Others seem to have difficulty separating opinions from facts and need that basic explanation of the difference. Others start dwelling in secondary details instead of the main idea of a post. I imagine you're not in social media if you need clarification on this. The "my two cents" expression is another way of me saying "for what is worth". I typically use that expression to mean that my knowledge or experience in a given matter is not at expert level, or that it's not based on reliable sources of information. It's also a way of stating what I guess or believe on a given subject Just curious: why the need to question that? Why not leaving it alone? Does it bother you to the point that you have to have a discussion about it? Are you just observing and commenting or criticizing and judging?

Not in USA. I've had freebies in other countries. I've gotten friendships and time spent together outside of the client/provider relationship, but no sex involved. I don't consider a provider going over the time "free", but if that counts, then yes.

Offended should not be the right reaction. It's business. Maybe the provider is just trying to bring in more money. My best guess is that the "meh" provider doesn't know that you are thinking about him as a "meh" provider, so his reaching out has nothing to do with how you rate him.

Location: has made me pay less, not more the farther he is, the more to pay in transportation Preferences: Not sure what this means Experience: No Body: No Cock: I'm already paying for the fact that he has one, and I'm not a size queen No "range" for me, I guess. They quote a rate and if I think it's too high I pass. Some of these questions seem based on the premise that certain type is better and in higher demand than others, which I completely disagree with.

I find these to be valid questions. I'm not going to imply that you don;t think of him as a human since I have no reason or need for it, but I do want to add, I wonder if you have considered asking him. I don't think that there's a "normal" when it comes to amount of ejaculations in an overnight provider experience. My thoughts are that maybe he's concerned about expectations more than number of ejaculations. It might be that he might have other commitments before or after and he's just trying to distribute his energy. Also, how important is that to you? I myself have had many sexual encounters that were wonderful without ejaculating. I like the climatic part of sex, but I also enjoy the rest and have been ok without ejaculating. You haven't mentioned if you are ok with what he stated. Are you? Is that a deal breaker? He's clear about what he can offer, so it's up to you to accept that deal.

They are still escorts. At least I still use that term. I use the term provider only here in this forum.

Yes, that's exactly what's happening. We're still in code red, but it feels calmed. We took a walk around the area, lots of American and Canadian tourists were looting the grocery stores that got bombed. Many are in AirBnBs and private rentals, so they don't get food provided or restaurants like they do in hotels. The whole thing is related to the capture or death of a cartel leader (the news are mixed on that). The airport is functioning at a minimum and many flights have been cancelled. Sorry, I didn't men to hijack the thread.

I've been involved in threesomes, never involving me paying for any of them, so I cannot comment on what to expect from one involving providers. Most of my threesomes have been different in terms of the vibe, the level of satisfaction, spontaneity of it, the people involved, the situation around them and the gender of the people on it. It has always been a "go with the flow" thing, but some have not been great, art least for me. In a situation when I am paying, I imagine I will have more of a saying on how things will go. There aren't really any rules, which means that if one (or more) of you need a break, they can, I guess, if you're OK with it, within reason (I mean, for as long as the break is not 10 minutes after it started and for the rest of the session).

Meanwhile in Puerto Vallarta, where I am... (I really dodged a bullet) Edit: I spoke too fast, now I think I'd prefer snow. Happening right now.

To me this is one of those things that are very personal. If the guy has or doesn't have a beard is not deal breaker for me. Other things that are a non-issue to many, however, are an issue to me (like height). I've had good times with guys with beards and clean shaven. No preference of one over another. I myself grow mine very now and then, get tired and shave it.

First thing that came to mind is that no one is entitled to tell me what is appropriate or not (in that respect). I also think that if the athletes and their platforms are ok with it, who am I be outraged on their behalf? Furthermore, today the media and the public in general behave like the 70s never happened. As PhileasFogg mentioned and illustrated, there's nothing new in exploiting the sexual aspect of sports. There are so many more solid and impactful reasons to be outraged about so many bad things happening in the world, than seeing some athletes butt emphasized on TV doesn't make it to the top 1,000,000,000 things I'm outraged about. And honestly, I do not see any double standards at all in terms of gender, except maybe there is some when it comes to transgender athletes. Those I don't see featured anywhere other than in controversial stories.

Aside from the personal information related to the service that I am receiving, I have shared personal information with some providers. I have felt safe doing that. However, for some reason, some providers themselves have given me details about their personal lives without me asking. One of my favorite masseurs have shared quite a lot of personal information about him. I even met his daughter. Another provider after the session sat with me and had coffee and conversed. We got to know each other a little more. Another extended his friendship and we're friends. There was this one provider whom I confided quite some intimate details about me. I felt a different connection since he's mixed race like me and his ethnic and religious backgrounds are similar to mine. Again, we went over the accorded time without charging extra. The opposite is true too. There was this one guy I hired in Barcelona that gave me the creeps and I did not feel comfortable at all with him. It was a massage, and I just shared the minimum, said the minimum and left as soon as the time was up with little small talk. The rather seedy places where I have been are not conducive to sharing anything. It's all business, so in those situations I care more about my financial, health and personal safety, so no sharing any details about anything. I guess it depends on the setting. I share similar views, I am "a nobody", meaning that there's no high stakes in divulging information about me, plus people in my circle already know plenty about me anyway. They'd pay to know less, not more. I refrain to give anyone my credit card or pin numbers, though.

My two cents. Don't overthink it. If the provider agrees to mutual touch, you can simply let your hands wander. I imagine that means within the vibe that the massage provides, not coming across as a desperate predator. Let the masseur do his work. A good one will lead you to where you want to go (within what has been agreed).