Simon Suraci

$2,000 [per 8hr block] 
 
 

I don’t think so. Clients hire us for privacy, relative anonymity, and for us to not care what the client looks like but to service him anyway. That’s part of the inherent value of hiring; not having to appeal to another person’s tastes and preferences, particularly with regard to the way you look. This dynamic may be weird in other contexts but totally normal for this one. We providers are used to it. 
Imperfect as the comparison may be, I might hire a therapist in some small part based on the way they look in their photos. Are they inviting, compassionate, and open, or closed, judgmental, and creepy? They have never seen me before but I hire their services and show up sight unseen, and their job is to help me with some rather personal, emotional, and intimate aspects of my life. In that limited way, hiring a therapist is somewhat adjacent to hiring a provider. I can’t imagine feeling compelled to send my therapist a photo of myself before our first meeting. 
Sending a photo is a nice courtesy, and I welcome it, mostly just to help me remember the client better and to add to their contact as a quick reference along with my notes. 
More often than not a client expects us to offer some commentary or react to the way they look. He wants validation, but there is no good way for us to give it to him. No matter what we say, we can’t win:
1) We say something positive. You assume we’re not genuine.
2) We say something positive. You believe we are genuine. You might conclude we lack professionalism because we’re meeting with you for the wrong reasons.
3) We say something vague, neutral, or even negative about the way you look. You assume the worst about us and how the meeting will go. Perhaps you cancel because of it.
So…that leaves only one reasonable option: say nothing about the way the client looks. Consider this when you send a photo. Expect your provider to say nothing. When he says nothing, would you still want to send it? If yes, you’re sending for the right reason. Conversely, are you feeling disappointed that your provider does not comment on your looks? Then you’re sending photos for the wrong reasons.
Our work is very different from other businesses in many respects, and the client is hiring us based on many factors, including in large part based on the way we look, both above and below the neck. This business has unique norms and expectations on both sides of hiring, but it’s a business nonetheless. I don’t find seeing clients sight unseen to be at all weird given the specific context.
This topic brings to mind hookups and how different they are to hiring. Yet even there, context matters. Looks are very important for most hookup situations, or even a date. You need mutual interest and attraction for both parties to agree to meet. Not always though. I suppose it depends on what you want. “I’m ass up, face down, in a dark/dim room and I want your anonymous load. Come in through my unlocked door at: [insert location and other details here].” Sometimes what the other person looks like is immaterial. Meeting sight unseen is not weird in a context like this one.

I don’t think so. Clients hire us for privacy, relative anonymity, and for us to not care what the client looks like but to service him anyway. That’s part of the inherent value of hiring; not having to appeal to another person’s tastes and preferences, particularly with regard to the way you look. This dynamic may be weird in other contexts but totally normal for this one. We providers are used to it. 
Imperfect as the comparison may be, I might hire a therapist in some small part based on the way they look in their photos. Are they inviting, compassionate, and open, or closed, judgmental, and creepy? They have never seen me before but I hire their services and show up sight unseen, and their job is to help me with some rather personal, emotional, and intimate aspects of my life. In that limited way, hiring a therapist is somewhat adjacent to hiring a provider. I can’t imagine feeling compelled to send my therapist a photo of myself before our first meeting. 
Sending a photo is a nice courtesy, and I welcome it, mostly just to help me remember the client better and to add to their contact as a quick reference along with my notes. 
More often than not a client expects us to offer some commentary or react to the way they look. He wants validation, but there is no good way for us to give it to him. No matter what we say, we can’t win:
1) We say something positive. You assume we’re not genuine.
2) We say something positive. You believe we are genuine. You might conclude we lack professionalism because we’re meeting with you for the wrong reasons.
3) We say something vague, neutral, or even negative about the way you look. You assume the worst about us and how the meeting will go. Perhaps you cancel because of it.
So…that leaves only one reasonable option: say nothing about the way the client looks. Consider this when you send a photo. Expect your provider to say nothing. When he says nothing, would you still want to send it? If yes, you’re sending for the right reason. Conversely, are you feeling disappointed that your provider does not comment on your looks? Then you’re sending photos for the wrong reasons.
Our work is very different from other businesses in many respects, and the client is hiring us based on many factors, including in large part based on the way we look, both above and below the neck. This business has unique norms and expectations on both sides of hiring, but it’s a business nonetheless. I don’t find seeing clients sight unseen to be at all weird given the specific context.
This topic brings to mind hookups and how different they are to hiring. Yet even there, context matters. Looks are very important for most hookup situations, or even a date. You need mutual interest and attraction for both parties to agree to meet. Not always though. I suppose it depends on what you want. “I’m ass up, face down, in a dark/dim room and I want your anonymous load. Come in through my unlocked door at: [insert location and other details here].” Sometimes what the other person looks like is immaterial. Meeting sight unseen is not weird in a context like this one.

I think a masseur should post a baseline 60 min incall rate on his RentMasseur ad, perhaps his lowest rate should he offer multiple. A few only offer outcalls. In that case, his base hourly rate should include some nominal amount for travel, and he should make this clear in the ad copy.
Masseurs can specify in the ad that he offers different styles, hot stones, 4-hand, or whatever else and tell the client there that rates vary on factors like travel, modality, etc and prompt the client to ask more about his services for a quote. He need not be completely explicit about anything sexual to get the message across that “we need to talk about what you want” before quoting. The baseline rate signals to the client the minimum he should expect to be paying for an hour of the masseur’s time. That saves time on both sides.
That’s just me. Some clients are more comfortable asking. Many are put off by having to ask. I know I am put off when I see “Ask Me” in a masseur ad. I skip those guys entirely when I am hiring. I like someone straightforward, honest, and fair. “Ask Me” is the first clue that they aren’t what I am looking for. A baseline rate is essential for giving the client some sense of whether he should even bother spending his time engaging the masseur with questions.
Also, if you have “Ask Me” and no other rate info in your ad, you can’t complain about “time wasters” asking too many questions about your rates and your services. You either be upfront in your ad, or be prepared to patiently answer all of your prospective clients’ many questions in a prompt, professional manner. 

I’m one of the InnDulge whores…
Nicely run, well kept. Not cheap, but less than Hacienda, and Hacienda is quite nice and you pay for it. As always, clothing is optional, meaning you don’t have to be nude all the time for it to be enjoyable. It’s quite a social atmosphere and easy to get into friendly conversations with other guests, both naked and clothed alike.

I think what you said in the last paragraph is key.  I'm an average looking guy and could use to lose 15-20 pounds.  But I always treat my providers nicely and with respect and in return they all show me a fantastic time.   And if you rehire I find the providers will figure out new ways to have fun and enjoy.  So yes, be nice and that niceness will come back to you!
I recently left a review for a provider I see every couple months.  He was so appreciative that he texted me that he has an extra special session planned for next time we meet.  Friday should be fun!

I’m not bothered to know what they look like although sometimes clients will send a picture. I can make guesses by the way they book (no one under 40 will book by phone call for example) or by language used when messaging. 
Clients do sometimes ask “was I what you expected?” or something along those lines. It’s difficult to answer. What do you say? “No I was hoping for George Clooney” or “well at least you’ve got a pulse so that’s something”  or “there’s so much more of you than I expected”.  
The truth is it really doesn’t matter. As @Simon Suracisays it’s not a consideration beyond practicalities. I care that they’re a nice person and that they have a great time. More important is the environment we’re using. That’s much more of a consideration. The room has to be suitable so I do much more thinking about that than I do the actual client I’m meeting. 

 

I agree 💯 

1) Providers who want to present their rates clearly up front on RentMasseur will do so. The “Ask Me” guys intentionally choose not to do this, so any confusion around the rate paid with/without tip is on them!
2) Verify rates directly with the provider before you schedule, especially if he lists “Ask Me”, and clarify any up-sells to those rates, if he offers them. Ask your provider his rate and be sure when you ask to be clear about the services you want him to quote. Generic “What is your rate?” is unhelpful because many of us including myself have different rates for services going beyond massage. Some of your guys may have different rates for sensual or erotic, with their own respective definitions applying to each.
3) There is no standard for including the tip or not on the rate paid field. If I had my druthers, I would have clients post the quoted rate for the service you booked since it is the most objective way to compare. It gets murky with upsells for extra services accounted for in a tip format. Tips even without upsells can get confusing too. That’s why I quote distinct rates for massage vs full service massage vs escort services.

I’m one of the InnDulge whores…
Nicely run, well kept. Not cheap, but less than Hacienda, and Hacienda is quite nice and you pay for it. As always, clothing is optional, meaning you don’t have to be nude all the time for it to be enjoyable. It’s quite a social atmosphere and easy to get into friendly conversations with other guests, both naked and clothed alike.

@Hot4latin Haha, we did not video the session for content or anything like that. We barely took one bad photo as an afterthought. Linking these masseur ads for you below. You will find some chatter on them here on CoM, which you can continue if you wish in the Spas and Masseurs threads that mention them. Didn’t mean to distract that much from the topic here.
Peter is on the road, traveling frequently, so you will see him in different cities. He mentioned moving back to New York at the end of a months long tour. MasseurFinder banned Peter because he started a competitor site called Gay Wellness. The other guys are in San Diego. I’ve mentioned Tal Sharone before and his competitor site, Allformen, which is similar to Gay Wellness. Anyone interested in these guys feel free to PM me.
André:
https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/39190/
Brant:
https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/41104/
Peter:
Peter | Wellness | Phoenix
GAYWELLNESS.COM Learn about Peter , Massage in Phoenix, Arizona. Find Peter reviews and more on Gay Wellness. Newell:
MuscleGingerXL on RentMasseur
RENTMASSEUR.COM View my profile on RentMasseur.com I expect to do more group massage trades in the future with other guys, probably a larger group next time. Newell offered to host so we can set up 6-8 tables. We all enjoyed learning from one another.

My relationship with money is a committed one.
I haven’t hired very much in a while, maybe two legit massages over the past several months. I would really like to do more but have been saving. To economize, I’ve been doing massage trades from time to time, 1:1 with local guys, usually 90 mins each.
A few weeks ago I hosted four other masseurs for a group massage exchange. We shared tips and techniques and enjoyed switching off on one another for 25 mins at a time, rotating out who is getting a massage and who is giving, 1:1 and 2:1 since we had an odd number (5) and space for two tables. All nude of course - purely for practical and efficiency reasons, I assure you 😆.
It was a lot of fun. Good guys.

From left to right: André, Brant, Yours Truly, Peter, and Newell (not pictured) Newell had to run to his next client before we thought to take this group pic. Sorry for the low quality selfie. Better than nothing, I guess.
We all showered together afterwards in my large dual head shower and scrubbed each other down. Yes, we all fit together, even hulking Newell, with space to spare. Truly a big shower! One of these days I’ll have a whole rugby team in there #goals.

 

We have got to get away from the stigma surrounding the hobby for both providers and clients. Otherwise why are we here on this forum?
With the tech / apps available to us now the average gay male can have as much sex as the most active provider and more, if he chooses, without any money changing hands. 

The average provider may actually be better behaved ,needing to  keep himself presentable to clients with the ability to pay for a luxury experience. And certainly better protected (informed) than the more DL / inexperienced among clients.
 

I’ve been told to go fuck myself many times.  If only I were younger. 

Or…invest in hiring a masseur who provides a real, purpose built, high quality, full size massage table for you - a sign he takes his job seriously.

Im glad you specified what kind of cheese it was you saw

I don't want to make you feel like shit, but unless the masseur states he prefers massage done on a bed, or simply doesn't have a table,  bed massages, instead of table massages, are a crippling strain on the masseurs back and general body.
It would surprise me when, occasionally, a client would prefer to not use the cradle.   OUCH!

Had two bed-massages with different providers. 
It’s neither pleasant at the time, nor effective as therapeutic work for my body.
No table, no thanks. 

My one wish for face cradles on massage tables is that they provide a better view, especially if the masseur is nude. 😜 

Having my head turned to one side gives me a stiff neck pretty quickly. 

I agree, and it should be the provider's home city/locale. Listing a provider with a city they visited once in their life is not useful later in time.

The flip side of this topic….I wish more posters put a provider’s city/locale in the topic of the post. i.e. “411 on HotOne in SoCal” rather than just “any info about HotOne?” 

As rvwsnd wrote, it's nothing new.  Sometimes people will respond with, "can you give us more of an idea what you are looking for?" and sometimes there are crickets.  It does seem odd to ask for recommendations without offering any detail about what one likes.  It would be like asking a sommelier which wine is the best without giving some indication what you like first.

For just massage, I agree. That’s crazy, no matter how skilled or amazing he is at massage. From the comments here so far, it sounds like the massage skill level leaves something to be desired. 
For full service massage, escort service, or combo massage/escort service, $300 for an hour is not unreasonable at all. That’s what I charge and my clients pay it without hesitation. Of course I charge half that for my regular massage services. Reading @Ocposterboy‘s and @tennisjock’s comments give me doubts that anything to the level of escort service is on offer.
Ghosting upon arrival is not ok. @DiscreetInSoCal and @aeikaryokothanks for posting a warning of such unprofessional behavior for others to steer clear.
Remember guys, think with your big head. It’s all too easy to get carried away with an image online of a hot guy and lose yourself in the fantasy, only to be disappointed with the reality in person. Good looks only go so far. 
 

I agree. I charge my regular rates when I travel and do just fine. I rent reasonably priced AirBnBs, perhaps costing in the range of one massage session per day, sometimes less. The high volume I do when I travel makes up for the extra costs like renting a house or hotel. Not sure why this would be any different, unless he’s only seeing one or two clients a day.