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He’d have to pay me $1000 for 90 minutes.

I’m a realist. 1985 was a time when AIDs was spreading silently in the gay community in North America and Europe . I was living in Europe but visited the US frequently. It wasn’t a time to be promiscuous unfortunately and many of those who were soon disappeared from the scene. I lived through that and wouldn’t want to go back there. 

As noted in the triangular theory, it’s Romantic Love.  but as @JayCeeKy previously noted, it comes with the same dopamine triggers.
The connection you’ve described is exactly what I seek in guys I see a second time (or more).  Personally, I prefer to think of it more like friends with benefits. I’ve evolved to focusing on a small circle of guys that are dependable,  whose presence I enjoy, with physical compatibility.  The fact that I happen to have wealth and they seek to build wealth is a one of the mutual benefits in the interaction. (And I use “interaction” very intentionally)

I’ve never fallen in love with an escort, but I have fallen in lust. 

I wonder how often these guys work, and if it is assumed that they include the erotic extras. 
I've had clients complain that masseurs will charge that much and not even do a hand job.
My rates are decent because I do not guarantee sensual play, so I can use that as an excuse.
 
I had an older client that kept asking me to get naked during our first meeting, and I didn't know how much he would pay or tip me, and I refused. He still paid me $500.
Of course I would have taken everything off and let him cop a feel for that amount!
Everyone has a price!
I saw him several times after that and he paid me at least that much each time, but I could hardly get hard for him. I was in my 20s and I was not attracted to him at all, alcohol didn't help, and I absolutely couldn't let him massage me with his tongue, if you get my drift.
Perhaps I really wasn't that broke back then. 
Anyways, thanks for reading my Ted Talk.
 

I’ve never fallen in love with an escort, but I have fallen in lust. 

I’ve never fallen in love with an escort, but I have fallen in lust. 

https://rentmasseur.com/RelaxwithKai

Very good Thai massage in Hells Kitchen. 

A really nice, cool guy - professional, competent, charming - AND gives a great massage in a nice midtown location,
Sensual erotic aspects? Yes.
Strongly recommend - he's one of the "good guys"

I’ve only ever hired for non-penetrative services, with both escorts and for erotic massages, so there’s a market for it. When I’ve hired an escort, I pay the same rate as for escorting and not massage, and I’ve usually been very happy. 

It wasn't that long ago that average rates seemd to be in the 120-160 range.  
Somehow, coming out of the pandemic,  200 was the norm.   That is a nice, round number, but is way beyond the rate of inflation to the period.  
 

Interesting question.  Split attention (cellphones) is a biggie that’s well-covered here so I won’t elaborate.  For me, the biggest thing that pisses me off is a provider who advertises massage, doesn’t know a thing about massage, and spends five minutes pretending he’s giving a massage before grabbing my dick and acting completely incredulous when I try to slow him down because I really do want a massage.  I also hate it when I see a new provider who doesn’t know what I want, doesn’t take the time to ask, and greets me curtly, saying only “get undressed and get on the table” before charging into his set routine.  The best massage providers communicate, know what they’re doing, and intersperse therapeutic massage elements with erotic ones, taking care of my muscular kinks and stresses while at the same time keeping me aroused and anticipating what may happen next.  I should add that, so far, I’ve only hired for massage, so I haven’t taken the plunge into the full Rentmen experience.

I'm totally open to chatting. I love to meet new people and learn about their lives, including their jobs. My regular escort is a good conversationalist, smart, well-traveled, and very open about his career and sexual tastes. I doubt he's quite that chatty with most clients, but we're very friendly and talk for any remaining time (and then some, at times). So yeah, chatty is great when the man has something interesting to say. Just be honest and have a sense of humor.

I like a little conversation when we first meet and definitely enjoy a little conversation afterwards.  I too enjoy getting to know the person I’m meeting better to improve future meetings.

Good idea, thanks!

His attitude was definitely “You need me more than I need you,” in both his communication and his attitude during the session. Still, I thought he might be worth a try because we had fun anonymously before we actually met. 

I had already put the cash in an envelope before I got there and then there was no discreet way to take it out, and I didn’t know what time it was until I walked out his door. I had read previous threads about this provider which are locked because they date from 2018, and the client wrote that he experienced the same thing. Lesson learned!

So for a rushed, just-okay massage that lasted 35 minutes instead of the full hour,  you tipped $100. You might as well start handing out twenties to people who almost hold the door open for you

For next time: What’s appropriate in this situation is…no tip. 
I’d also suggest you avoid booking with guys who take such a casual and perfunctory approach! He fleeced you.
 

I’ve hired 2 masseurs in the past 4 months. One charged $150 for one hour, plus tip, I tipped an extra $90 because he was really good with the sensual stuff, and a really nice guy. I actually had fooled around with him at my gym’s steam room and I asked him in advance of our meeting if he was okay with that, and it was cool with him. He’s not really much of a massage therapist, but the extras were amazing. 
 
The second guy I hired was also a guy that I had casually “met” at a Korean spa, and his rate was $180, and he made sure that “tipping is highly appreciated.” He was quite vague about what the session would entail, and his texts were on the cold side, not especially personal and more like he just sends you a form letter. Still, I went through with it because I think he’s hot. Upon meeting him, I mentioned the Korean spa encounter and he denied ever meeting me. The massage was okay, but he went into the extras very quickly and seemed like he was in a rush to get it over and done with. I tipped an extra $100, because I didn’t know what was appropriate in this situation, and when I left, it had been 35 minutes, not the hour I had paid for. Probably wouldn’t repeat. 

So glad it’s back! This site has been an invaluable source for information about providers and all the protocols involved!

I love of masseurs in NYC are charging $200 or even $250 for 60 minutes with, and some don't even do HE or anything exciting.  Some are legit decent masseurs, but personally I think these rates are getting out of hand. 

I think NY Spa and Sauna is better and cheaper. They check here and there but I prefer it 

I’ve only ever hired for non-penetrative services, with both escorts and for erotic massages, so there’s a market for it. When I’ve hired an escort, I pay the same rate as for escorting and not massage, and I’ve usually been very happy. 

I’ve only ever hired for non-penetrative services, with both escorts and for erotic massages, so there’s a market for it. When I’ve hired an escort, I pay the same rate as for escorting and not massage, and I’ve usually been very happy.