US escorts' average annual income

[MikeBiDude]

No, you're not.

+1

[thickornotatall]

No, you're not.

Silly ....

[+ azdr0710]

thread not only distasteful.....but silly.....and boring

 

[+ oldNbusted]

Silly ....

 

[Guest]

you are absolutely right

https://www.statisticbrain.com/prostitution-statistics/

That link isn't the source of any information. It's just a bunch of numbers. Unless I'm missing something, there's nothing I could find as to how the research, if any, was done to come up with those numbers. One would have to do multiple studies to come up with those numbers, including, for example, one study just to come up with the purported figure of 12% as the percentage of men who've hired a prostitute (difficult to believe in my view). I don't know where some people are coming up with figures such as escorts having 3 or 4 clients per day. I've hired a pretty large number of escorts in my days, and from what I've been able to gather, most escorts would be very happy to be able to have one client per day (and I've had many tell me that they limit themselves to 1 per day). I don't know the answers myself, of course. But for me to believe anything, I'd have to be able to see the actual source of the information, and gauge the validity of the research.

[muscmtl]

It fluctuates... There are good and bad months and weeks. Also now is a more competitive profession than it used to be 10 years ago.

 

Last year the average in Washington DC was around 100, now is close to 200 ( counting visitors and locals).

 

you mean number of escorts, not salary right?

[marylander1940]

you mean number of escorts, not salary right?

 

Yes, number of escorts in the city or visiting now/soon.

Am I alone in finding this whole conversation distasteful? Given the range of escorts and how much of their time they devote to this activity 'averages' are pretty meaningless. Why do those of us who are not escorts even care? This conversation tends towards disparagement of escorts and assuming that they do not declare their income to the relevant authorities. Assumptions about hourly rates, and how often they see clients are not useful. Guys see different numbers of clients, for different length appointments, some have other business pursuits. I would suggest, that as clients we judge escorts on the experience they deliver and don't even think about their business model.

 

That's a powerful word... most of our activities as gay men would be considered that way by others.

 

I only posted because of based on @Tarte Gogo escorts within a few years become millionaires and having known SO MANY who retired with nothing I'm knew his numbers weren't real. I know income fluctuates in this activity and many escorts can't control themselves when it comes to spending instead of investing it.

 

I remember a thread several years ago (can't find it now) where posters were desperately trying to figure out Zeb Atlas's annual take-home......detailed calculations involving number of hours in a day, days in a week, and weeks in a year ensued!......estimates ran up to $700,000/yr or more, I think!

 

Zeb finally came on to say we all were making him laugh a bit

 

I can't find that thread... either.

 

I just wonder how many guys who listened to @mike carey dog whistle posted on that thread or several distasteful threads about escorts paying taxes or not :rolleyes:.

 

If yinz don't like a thread, let it die by its on merit I almost did with this one till the number$ were just wrong.

[+ oldNbusted]

If yinz don't like a thread, let it die by its on merit I almost did with this one till the number$ were just wrong.

 

[marylander1940]

 

I only know the hottest massuers and DC. There it's $200 average in-call per client with 4 to 5 a day average. (2 or 3 weekdays, 5 to 7 weekends). That's a doable schedule with just incalls. So $1000/day. But everyone takes breaks and even vacations.

 

The top porn star escorts I know realistically get $350 per hour incall with about the same number. Above-average ones get $250 with maybe the same number. So very top famous guys do $1600 to $2100 average/day. They're pros.

 

The traveling scammers with fake photos, etc still make $250 with 3 or 4 per day.

 

I guess you think this numbers are correct...

[+ oldNbusted]

I guess you think this numbers are correct...

 

 

Are you addressing me? It's not clear....

 

Anyway, no, I didn't say any such thing. I was providing a humorous take on you recommending that posters behave a certain way and then admitting that you don't behave that way yourself.

 

To quote of of my favorite films: "The awful thing about life is this: everyone has their reasons.”

[marylander1940]

Are you addressing me? It's not clear....

 

Anyway, no, I didn't say any such thing. I was providing a humorous take on you recommending that posters behave a certain way and then admitting that you don't behave that way yourself.

 

To quote of of my favorite films: "The awful thing about life is this: everyone has their reasons.”

 

Yes, I was kind of addressing you.

 

Can we bring this back to subject?

 

Maybe some escorts would like to share some info... they did many times in similar threads but I guess it's a different time in America now. Their choice.

[Rudynate]

I don’t think anyone denies that. I think the assertion is simply that it’s the rare exception, not the rule. The average comp levels probably represent a high decile, not an average. And, even at that comp level, it does not facilitate “multiple homes” absent considerable debt.[/QUote]

 

Isn't "considerable debt" the usual route to ownership of real property? Are escorts somehow different so that the only reasonable way for them to acquire real property is to pay cash?

[+ oldNbusted]

Yes, I was kind of addressing you.

 

Can we bring this back to subject?

 

You don't need the permission of other posters to post what you want, but I think you know that, eh?

 

If you mean to suggest people should not post off-topic, well...

 

4. Hijacking is part of the Internet's tradition. It usually leads to threads that are more interesting for all. However, if a thread creator has requested that is his thread not be hijacked in the initial thread post and the thread is subsequently hijacked in a substantial manner, he can ALERT the moderators and ask them to review the thread. In cases of serious abuse, the moderators may be forced to take action.

 

I don't see this stipulated in the OP, so you might be out of luck this time.

 

 

Maybe some escorts would like to share some info... they did many times in similar threads but I guess it's a different time in America now. Their choice.

 

I would suggest a different subforum for that, but even if some did, what would that prove? Absolutely nothing. @Unicorn summarized it perfectly and the reality is the info just hasn't been collected by the BLS. All we can get are highly localized anecdotes. Setting that aside, there is certainly a number, but what if we knew it, so what? It's entirely possible that in the entire universe of working guys, not a single one would make that exact number. It's basically an abstract number that has no practical application. The US median household income in 2016 was $59,039. How about we all just agree to believe this is the number?

[+ azdr0710]

Maybe some escorts would like to share some info... they did many times in similar threads

 

in 16 years on this forum, I've never seen a provider "share info" on their earnings......the closest is Kevin Slater using charts and graphs to show how busy he's been over the years

[+ ArVaGuy]

thread not only distasteful.....but silly.....and boring

 

 

Not only is this thread distasteful, silly, and boring, most of the comments are speculative and uninformed. The limited number of replies from actual working guys is telling. Most of this thread is comprised of clients bickering and pontificating without any real understanding of the business model.

[BabyBoomer]

in 16 years on this forum, I've never seen a provider "share info" on their earnings.

 

AND YOU NEVER WILL.

 

~Boomer~

[marylander1940]

Not only is this thread distasteful, silly, and boring, most of the comments are speculative and uninformed. The limited number of replies from actual working guys is telling. Most of this thread is comprised of clients bickering and pontificating without any real understanding of the business model.

 

One more time... do as the honor to let a distasteful thread (by your opinion) die by its own merits.

 

in 16 years on this forum, I've never seen a provider "share info" on their earnings......the closest is Kevin Slater using charts and graphs to show how busy he's been over the years

 

That's what I meant... others have published charts.

 

Thanks for bringing this back to subject again.

[+ oldNbusted]

Most of this thread is comprised of clients bickering and pontificating without any real understanding of the business model.

 

I'm particularly fond of the posts like

 

 

[+ azdr0710]

oh for crying out loud.....why do I even try?

 

[+ tassojunior]

I’m sure most guys see 3 or 4 guys when they travel but I doubt happens locally.

 

I will keep the estimate to one or two guys per day = 12 k per month

 

I know the numbers of my friends who visit here in DC and either work out of my guest house or a hotel down the block. My semi-partner works in my guesthouse for 2-4 weeks at a time and his friends and him talk constantly of the numbers. Also he comes in the house between dates and for the night, etc. I therefore know exactly the number he's had and about the pay.He's at the very top level of massuers so the others' numbers never match his but come close sometimes. They are "average" massuers. They can actually be very business-like on numbers etc but invariably take days off (not weekends -that's a lot of money).

 

My full-fledged escort friends from Bel Ami are even more business-like and quantity-based. Those guys are 100% pros (machines!). 12-a-day incalls on weekends in the US is not unusual and some have most of their time slots full before they hit a city. It's a whole different scene from masseurs but scheduling clients is similar. These guys often also get over-nights, which is a mint. Most of my friends from BA actually do this to buy houses back in Czech Republic. But most live further out in Czech where flats and houses are $100K - $200K average but financing is harder, especially without clear salary. They like the US because I hear even in Zurich they have fallen to averaging 3 at $150 per day from 4 or 5 at $200 a year ago.

 

The Czech guys are much more disciplined about saving for a house than others are about saving with no real goal. Most of the others are "easy come, easy go" money-wise.

 

There is a difference between "below average", "average" and "top shelf" obviously. And guys who stay in one city don't do as well unless they are so great in person they attract a lot of faithful regulars plus some visiting businessmen.

 

Even as clients, it's good to understand the business side to understand why a busy guy would prefer in-calls so much and not to feel too sorry for anyone doing decent business.

 

But yes, the numbers that I know in DC are first-hand.

[marylander1940]

I know the numbers of my friends who visit here in DC and either work out of my guest house or a hotel down the block. My semi-partner works in my guesthouse for 2-4 weeks at a time and his friends and him talk constantly of the numbers. Also he comes in the house between dates and for the night, etc. I therefore know exactly the number he's had and about the pay.He's at the very top level of massuers so the others' numbers never match his but come close sometimes. They are "average" massuers. They can actually be very business-like on numbers etc but invariably take days off (not weekends -that's a lot of money).

 

My full-fledged escort friends from Bel Ami are even more business-like and quantity-based. Those guys are 100% pros (machines!). 12-a-day incalls on weekends in the US is not unusual and some have most of their time slots full before they hit a city. It's a whole different scene from masseurs but scheduling clients is similar. These guys often also get over-nights, which is a mint. Most of my friends from BA actually do this to buy houses back in Czech Republic. But most live further out in Czech where flats and houses are $100K - $200K average but financing is harder, especially without clear salary. They like the US because I hear even in Zurich they have fallen to averaging 3 at $150 per day from 4 or 5 at $200 a year ago.

 

The Czech guys are much more disciplined about saving for a house than others are about saving with no real goal. Most of the others are "easy come, easy go" money-wise.

 

There is a difference between "below average", "average" and "top shelf" obviously. And guys who stay in one city don't do as well unless they are so great in person they attract a lot of faithful regulars plus some visiting businessmen.

 

Even as clients, it's good to understand the business side to understand why a busy guy would prefer in-calls so much and not to feel too sorry for anyone doing decent business.

 

But yes, the numbers that I know in DC are first-hand.

 

If that's the case, I trust in your word @tassojunior and I'll consider those numbers as valid for those very successful escorts and others similar to them.

 

I'm glad the Czechs are good saving money just like escorts from Brazil and other parts of South America. I know an Uruguayan escort (he tells folks he's from Argentina) who's worth 1,8 million dollars in properties back home. I was his Airbnb instructor, I helped him set up the account, etc.

[Rudynate]

Usual, yes. Fact is that, the nature of an escort’s income might make qualifying for debt more difficult in the current environment. But for those who do get loans, loans as a means to ownership always lead to a perception of more wealth than is real...remember, the example was the ownership of multiple homes, not just one - and the context of the comment was as a sign of financial success.

 

We may have read the post differently. I read it as multiple properties, as in income properties. You may have read it as multiple residences. Multiple income properties meant multiple cash flows. Multiple residences means multiple uncompensated mortgage payments.

[+ VictorPowers]

I live comfortably. Thank you to all of my amazing clients!

 

There are just too many factors to have an average and a true answer. There are differing business models and markets. Those two alone would make the data very random.

[+ Eric Hassan]

I've been looking all over the Internet for that information, but cannot find it. I have heard that it was 220,000$/year but that is way too high, especially for the average income.

Anybody knows what is the average income per year for escorts, especially for male escorts.

 

thank

 

Steve

 

Maybe, as an act of good faith, you could share the details of your income in this public forum. That way, it might not feel so invasive when you ask us to do the same.

[+ ArVaGuy]

Maybe, as an act of good faith, you could share the details of your income in this public forum. That way, it might not feel so invasive when you ask us to do the same.

 

This.