I would do anything for love but I won't do skat

[bostonman]

Give me deep kissing, rimming, sniffing, licking, spitting, cum swallowing, snowballing, or feet anytime.

 

This is something I don't often talk about because it does seem very taboo - but I definitely enjoy having a guy spit at me. It's not the "humiliation" aspect that lures me in - it's really mostly that I find it very erotic - the warm wetness, etc - combined with knowing that it does seem very forbidden in a way - and also kind of playful. And yes, of course there is a bit of a power dynamic in there too, depending on who's doing the spitting lol. It started when I realized I found it hot to watch baseball players spitting all the time during games, and wondered what it would be like to be the recipient of that...and I dared myself to try it out with a friend, and found it even sexier than I expected it to be.

 

Some may consider it crude - I get that. Some may consider it unsanitary, which I don't get as much, given the "spit swapping" we do when kissing etc. I also always find it interesting when guys who are into w/s (which I'm not) conversely find spitting too gross, lol. But it just goes to show you - to each our own...

 

And someday, I'm going to find myself a genuine baseball jock who'd really show me what it's all about lol...

[+ purplekow]

Go find it - it is a truly wonderful routine. Not just because of the "adult humor" side of it, but also because it's really a perfectly crafted piece. I'm sure it's on youtube - maybe someone can post a link.

https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=skyh&p=george+carlin+seven+things+you+can%27t+say+on+tv#id=1&vid=55d1ed3d83365f38071cfa89976b8a75&action=click

 

It was fun.

[+ José Soplanucas]

A psychiatrist friend once told me that the way to treat perversions was not to ban them but to find a willing partner. Obviously that means finding a partner capable of giving informed consent. I have often regarded pedophilia as another sexual orientation. The difference of course is that by definition the subject of the behaviour cannot give consent.

 

But it is the consent part what we are debating. If we condemn bestiality for being inherently abusive, why we do not condemn pet owning or domestication with the same emphasis? Is slavery more morally acceptable than sexual abuse? Or the problem is that when sex is involved our prudishness takes over and everything can be only outrageous?

[realeasymoney]

Fisting. I don't judge, but wtf?

[+ purplekow]

But it is the consent part what we are debating. If we condemn bestiality for being inherently abusive, why we do not condemn pet owning or domestication with the same emphasis? Is slavery more morally acceptable than sexual abuse? Or the problem is that when sex is involved our prudishness takes over and everything can be only outrageous?

Pet ownership is equal to slavery? Hmmm.

This is wrong in so many ways but I will go with the easy one, I work, I come home, I get dogs out of bed. I feed them, I bring them to the park. I clean them up. I finally get a meal, of which they wind up getting half because of those puppy dog eyes. I sit on the couch and they move in until they are comfortable. I take them out for a walk off leash or let them out the door or perhaps take them for a ride in the car. I go to bed. While I get ready for bed, they make themselves comfortable in the bed. I squeeze into whatever spot is left open. They get their medical needs attended. They are groomed. It is a benevolent dictatorship but I am pretty sure I am not the dictator. All three of my dogs are rescues and lived on the streets, or in the woods. Two of them would have been put down if I did not take them in. If you are making the argument that we do not treat animals well, I would agree with that in general. However, likening pets to slaves is hyperbole of the highest degree (or is that hyperbole too?)

[bostonman]

Pet ownership is equal to slavery? Hmmm.

This is wrong in so many ways but I will go with the easy one, I work, I come home, I get dogs out of bed. I feed them, I bring them to the park. I clean them up. I finally get a meal, of which they wind up getting half because of those puppy dog eyes. I sit on the couch and they move in until they are comfortable. I take them out for a walk off leash or let them out the door or perhaps take them for a ride in the car. I go to bed. While I get ready for bed, they make themselves comfortable in the bed. I squeeze into whatever spot is left open. They get their medical needs attended. They are groomed. It is a benevolent dictatorship but I am pretty sure I am not the dictator. All three of my dogs are rescues and lived on the streets, or in the woods. Two of them would have been put down if I did not take them in. If you are making the argument that we do not treat animals well, I would agree with that in general. However, likening pets to slaves is hyperbole of the highest degree (or is that hyperbole too?)

 

And...I've never been a dog person, but any of us with cats know that THEY own US, not the other way around.

[Guest SimonL]

This is something I don't often talk about because it does seem very taboo - but I definitely enjoy having a guy spit at me. It's not the "humiliation" aspect that lures me in - it's really mostly that I find it very erotic - the warm wetness, etc - combined with knowing that it does seem very forbidden in a way - and also kind of playful. And yes, of course there is a bit of a power dynamic in there too, depending on who's doing the spitting lol. It started when I realized I found it hot to watch baseball players spitting all the time during games, and wondered what it would be like to be the recipient of that...and I dared myself to try it out with a friend, and found it even sexier than I expected it to be.

 

Some may consider it crude - I get that. Some may consider it unsanitary, which I don't get as much, given the "spit swapping" we do when kissing etc. I also always find it interesting when guys who are into w/s (which I'm not) conversely find spitting too gross, lol. But it just goes to show you - to each our own...

 

And someday, I'm going to find myself a genuine baseball jock who'd really show me what it's all about lol...

I have a regular connection that asked me to spit on him while topping. He was really into the domination and what he called 'dirtiness' of me spitting on him. I still don't get it but happily oblige -- he similarly obliges my wants.

[rvwnsd]

... I cannot rule out bestiality. I have never done it and it is not in my plans, but in the proper conditions I do not see a moral issue and I may feel curiosity some day in the future. I love animals but so far it has been platonic....

 

@latbear4blk you are in luck! Zoosexual activity is legal in DC!! Woof!!!

 

However, in puritanical Europe, it is illegal in every country except for the Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania, Finland, Iceland, and Russia. However, leave that puppy porn at home when you visit Helsinki. Zoosexual activity is legal, but zoophilic pornography is illegal in Finland.

 

Pro tip: When visiting IML in Chicago, stick to messing around with men (or ladies) in puppy costumes. Zoosexual activity is a felony in Illinois.

[+ José Soplanucas]

LOL. You cannot talk to pet owners.

 

@purplekow , I could make the same argument about bestiality. The most common one I have learned of is small dogs trained to lick pussy. I met several lesbian couples back in Buenos Aires. Sure you can make the point it is abuse and the dogs did not consent, only if I can make the point that pet owning is slavery.

[+ purplekow]

LOL. You cannot talk to pet owners.

 

@purplekow , I could make the same argument about bestiality. The most common one I have learned of is small dogs trained to lick pussy. I met several lesbian couples back in Buenos Aires. Sure you can make the point it is abuse and the dogs did not consent, only if I can make the point that pet owning is slavery.

 

 

My dogs are free to leave anytime they choose, well when the door is open. They always come back.

 

As Bill Clinton taught us, oral sex is not sex, so for me, bestiality would be predicated on an insertion process.

 

You seem to think that animals can give consent which is likely a very small minority opinion. Even given that, I cannot imagine a dog indicating that he has a headache so not tonight. Even if dogs can give consent, they are powerless to enforce it and if as you say, they are slaves their consent is meaningless.

 

In any case, I will not be asking my dog for sex, so it is still out of my comfort zone. Legally, in most states in the US, I would not suggest one flaunt having sex with animals lest they wind up in jail. That alone does not make it abuse but the law exists because most would find it abusive.

 

By the way, as a person who lives with pets, you can talk to me, you just cannot talk to me seriously about having sex with the animals.

[+ Keith30309]

Just remember, sometime neigh means neigh.

[+ José Soplanucas]

Just remember, sometime neigh means neigh.

 

Do not worry. We have a safe word with Brownie: meaw.

[mike carey]

Pet ownership is equal to slavery? Hmmm.

Symbiotic relationships between humans and dogs have been around for millennia. I have seen the case made that they domesticated us, not the other way around. Not a pet relationship but on the south coast of New South Wales in the 19th century, killer whales trained human whalers to feed them. They herded prey whales to the boats and in return received the tongues.

[rvwnsd]

Symbiotic relationships between humans and dogs have been around for millennia. I have seen the case made that they domesticated us, not the other way around. Not a pet relationship but on the south coast of New South Wales in the 19th century, killer whales trained human whalers to feed them. They herded prey whales to the boats and in return received the tongues.

My cats definitely chose me, trained me, and have enslaved me.

[+ quoththeraven]

I disagree as you are stating it. I had already made clear I am against any kind of abuse, I am of course not talking about bestiality as in raping a coat.

However, I think you are underestimating animals, they are often able to express consent or rejection.

 

If a dog gets excited by frotting my legs, and I get aroused by it, would it be abuse if I help him to cum and I bust it in the process? Just one example.

Animals can't consent. You have no idea what the animal is thinking and there isn't the possibility for communication and mutuality that exists with another person.

 

My polyamorous gentleman caller agrees with you, which makes me wrinkle my nose and question his judgment.

[+ quoththeraven]

Beg to differ on that last part ! A really awful thing someone can do with a friend's dog is to give it a little hand job when it starts humping. That dog will keep presenting its penis for a stroking in people's faces for years.

 

If anything it's a cruelty the way we control animals' sex. Such treatment of humans would be horrible.

But is that a conscious choice or instinct?

 

Part of the problem here is that the kind of consent we aspire to, or that at least some aspire to, isn't possible with animals because they have different sorts of consciousness than we do and because we can't communicate with them as directly or easily as with other humans. In the face of that uncertainty, it's more ethical to leave well enough alone. There's no reason or need to play with Fido when there are human alternatives that don't pose the same conundrums.

[+ quoththeraven]

Beg to differ on that last part ! A really awful thing someone can do with a friend's dog is to give it a little hand job when it starts humping. That dog will keep presenting its penis for a stroking in people's faces for years.

 

If anything it's a cruelty the way we control animals' sex. Such treatment of humans would be horrible.

That's reproductive control, and if you were ever around a cat in heat you would understand why it's a relief to the cat to be spayed. Also tomcats have barbs on their penises, which makes sex ouchy.

 

Animal overpopulation and the need to kill perfectly good pets is what's cruel.

[+ quoththeraven]

A psychiatrist friend once told me that the way to treat perversions was not to ban them but to find a willing partner. Obviously that means finding a partner capable of giving informed consent. I have often regarded pedophilia as another sexual orientation. The difference of course is that by definition the subject of the behaviour cannot give consent.

I suspect that's sometimes the basis of ageplay.

[+ quoththeraven]

But it is the consent part what we are debating. If we condemn bestiality for being inherently abusive, why we do not condemn pet owning or domestication with the same emphasis? Is slavery more morally acceptable than sexual abuse? Or the problem is that when sex is involved our prudishness takes over and everything can be only outrageous?

Pet ownership is symbiotic. Some pets (dogs more than cats) will tolerate abuse, but they often can leave.

 

Also, animals become domesticated for their own reasons. It's not like breaking in a horse. It's believed domestic dogs got that way because they were attracted to human fires and were fed, therefore not having to rely as much on hunting and attaining more secure shelter. Cats do their own thing and deign to shack up with humans.

 

Actually with cats it makes more sense to view the cat as owning the human.

[+ tassojunior]

That's reproductive control, and if you were ever around a cat in heat you would understand why it's a relief to the cat to be spayed. Also tomcats have barbs on their penises, which makes sex ouchy.

 

Animal overpopulation and the need to kill perfectly good pets is what's cruel.

 

But wouldn't that apply to humans too? Aren't there a lot who would be better off castrated or sterilized?

[+ Pensant]

Fisting. I don't judge, but wtf?

And the possibility of tearing, which might require surgery. I once met a client who was an executive at FFA, so it’s not that uncommon.

[+ g56whiz]

 

I consider myself willing to try most things sexual once or twice before deciding it is not for me. I do draw the line at skat, pedophilia and bestiality.

Where are your limits as to something you will not even try.

 

All that and feet. I’ve never understood feet. Maybe because I’m too ticklish.

 

As for bestiality, I’m very allergic at cats and dogs and birds, fish, hamsters and gerbils don’t interest me in the least.

[+ purplekow]

All that and feet. I’ve never understood feet. Maybe because I’m too ticklish.

 

As for bestiality, I’m very allergic at cats and dogs and birds, fish, hamsters and gerbils don’t interest me in the least.

How about kows?

[+ Awwshuck]

All that and feet. I’ve never understood feet. Maybe because I’m too ticklish.

 

As for bestiality, I’m very allergic at cats and dogs and birds, fish, hamsters and gerbils don’t interest me in the least.

 

Or hawgs?

[+ g56whiz]

How about kows?

 

Well not if they’re purple. Remember I went to that “other” college.