Where do you advertise after next week?

[kevininsa]

I hate it when I'm the one who's naive. But if all this gets signed and happens, then what? I never hired before the internet. Where do the advertisers advertise? Where do the clients find their providers? And if the answer is obvious, please just answer the question anyway.

[youngboldone]

I'd also like to know.

[BlakeBenz]

We are going back in time my friends. In the flesh is where you’ll have to hire. Here’s some free game.

 

Spots escorts typically hang out:

 

-High end hotel bars (Four seasons, ritz Carlton, Hilton, Marriott, etc.) look for someone well dressed & presentable sitting alone and scanning the room. May make eye contact, wink, or waive at you.

 

-High end steak house bars (In Houston popular ones would be Steak 48, Mastros, etc. ) you’ll be looking for the same things

 

-DATING SITES: Grindr, tinder, any type of hookup site can easily be used to hire or find clients (Providers please learn how to properly finesse a dating site) there are many instructional videos on thecompleteguidetoescorting.com (due to FOSTA their education and video section is private and you will need to create a customer account before you can access it)

 

- Las Vegas casinos + casino bars (I’ve seen both men and women working the casinos here and it’s great because you can have longer windows of opportunity. You get 4-5 hours to make money at normal hotel bars but in Vegas you can be working all day and night if you’d like.)

 

 

-Strip clubs/gogo bars (can be hard because you do have to compete for attention due to the dancers, but I feel this a great place to find clients and providers, some already working but also if you think about it men go here because they’re horny .. so why wouldn’t this be a great spot to meet potentials?

 

I’m sure there are many other places but these tend to be my go to spots when my ads aren’t hitting.

[+ tassojunior]

Strip clubs are great.......if you're a stripper.

 

Otherwise you have to compete with a bunch of naked muscle guys swinging hard cocks and firm asses around.

 

Maybe wear a bright color?

[BlakeBenz]

Strip clubs are great.......if you're a stripper.

 

Otherwise you have to compete with a bunch of naked muscle guys swinging hard cocks and firm asses around.

 

Maybe wear a bright color?

 

Or some nicer clothing and look more high end. You’d be surprised how many people only want to look at the dancers... they’d rather go home with someone they THINK isn’t doing this every night lol. I’ve made more money working strip bars than I actually did when I was dancing, and i didn’t have to be there all night either. When you’re in a busier environment like this however you have to be more aggressive and approach the clients yourself usually.

[biggerbilly]

I wonder how many hires are rich guys who hangout at high end hotels and restaurants, and how many are like me, middle class guys that save their money to have fun. Not to mention guys who have families and can’t go out or download dating apps.

 

I also hate talking to guys on Grindr and finding out they’re just there for business. I’m not completely hideous, I like to think when a guys hit me up to see what’s in my pants, his not talking about my wallet.

 

This new world seems to only benefit the people who already had it good in the old world.

[BlakeBenz]

I wonder how many hires are rich guys who hangout at high end hotels and restaurants, and how many are like me, middle class guys that save their money to have fun. Not to mention guys who have families and can’t go out or download dating apps.

 

I also hate talking to guys on Grindr and finding out they’re just there for business. I’m not completely hideous, I like to think when a guys hit me up to see what’s in my pants, his not talking about my wallet.

 

This new world seems to only benefit the people who already had it good in the old world.

 

Exactly. The weak will fall and the strong will rise. It is sad but it is the truth. This is obviously what trump wanted. Segregation between races and classes, like Russia. Backpage providers will be back on the streets, and the high end providers will just have to put in more footwork. As providers, we have to adapt in whatever ways we can if we want to continue. My clientele may be different than many, but I’m giving my advice because some may benefit.

[biggerbilly]

Exactly. The weak will fall and the strong will rise. It is sad but it is the truth. This is obviously what trump wanted. Segregation between races and classes, like Russia. Backpage providers will be back on the streets, and the high end providers will just have to put in more footwork. As providers, we have to adapt in whatever ways we can if we want to continue. My clientele may be different than many, but I’m giving my advice because some may benefit.

I guess it’s just a matter of who falls into what category. As far as I can see it, the number of rich people is not growing. I’m pretty sure there are already guys hanging out in those high end hangouts. Now those spots are going to get even more crowded. Which means an increase in supply, not demand. That tends not to lead to an increase in prices.

[BlakeBenz]

I guess it’s just a matter of who falls into what category. As far as I can see it, the number of rich people is not growing. I’m pretty sure there are already guys hanging out in those high end hangouts. Now those spots are going to get even more crowded. Which means an increase in supply, not demand. That tends not to lead to an increase in prices.

 

Wow I’m so disappointed by the lack of optimism in our community. This really saddens me. I have been in all areas of the industry. I have been in survival sex work, homeless and sleeping in a car. I have also built myself and my business to where I am now, because I am optimistic and believe in myself. Removing limiting beliefs will help people see that there will be always be solutions to every problem. Do you know how many curious married men hang out at those places?? I have met CEO’s and VIP clients. It’s about learning the clientele. Search when conferences are happening in the area, and asses what type of men will be going to those conferences. Then determine what hotels they may be staying at. New money is printed daily and there is more than enough for everyone to make some. So yes, if they don’t believe in themselves as a provider and go into that environment thinking they won’t make money... then they’re right! But if theyvgo in there with the attitude that their client is already there waiting for them, they just have to meet him... they almost always will get paid.

[+ bashful]

Necessity is the mother of invention.

 

I'm wondering if the agency business model will make a comeback. Or, providers organize, and clients are recommended to other providers.

 

Just a couple of random thoughts from a very inexperienced person.

[+ pitman]

Green hanky in the back pocket - left side top; right side bottom.

[Aaron_Bauder]

The weak will fall and the strong will rise. It is sad but it is the truth. This is obviously what trump wanted. Segregation between races and classes, like Russia. Backpage providers will be back on the streets, and the high end providers will just have to put in more footwork. As providers, we have to adapt in whatever ways we can if we want to continue.

 

This. Tho I wouldn't describe it as strong vs weak, but committed vs noncommitted, as you were getting at with if we want to continue. I think, pretty quickly, providers and clients who are less committed to escorting will get out of it. I fall into that group. I've ocassionally planned for transitioning out of escorting; those plans will now accelerate exponentially.

 

I think the committed guys will get back into footwork, like I did last month as new leads crawled to a halt. Although I did make's last months bills and this month's rent, it's not for me. One, the ease of escorting due to advertising online was a big perk as it turns out, freeing up time to pursue outside interests (like getting an advanced degree). Working hotels, bars, etc required so much extra time I view it as losing money. Based on the time it took, I could make more money working fewer hours in a more traditional job -- without the stigma, the legal exposure, and the safety risks -- with time to spare to build a fitness business on the side. So that's the route I'm taking, as I phase out my regulars.

 

For me it's a door opening. I also got a hint last month a couple of guys I came close to dating, who both suddenly lost interest and friendzoned me, did so because I was escorting. So I'm taking all of it as a sign to move on. There was a point near the end of the Rentboy era when I was making so much money (2-4 clients a day in 30-35 flexible hours a week including advertising, marketing etc) I could absorb the losses. For me now, escorting is not lucrative enough anymore to be worth its costs: psychologically, socially, timewise, or professionally.

[kevininsa]

Setting aside the arrogant responses of one who clearly knows everything about the business, nobody has really answered the original question. Where will you advertise if we lose internet advertising? It is my understanding that there used to be some magazines, newspapers or something and guys used before the internet without having to spend hours in a hotel bar. That was, and still is, the question.

[nate_sf]

Perhaps there is hope for The Townhouse after all. (I'm only half joking...)

 

Today I picked up a copy of the Bay Area Reporter and checked to see if it still runs escort ads. It does indeed, though it's only a very modest quarter page of ads, compared to several pages years ago:

 

http://www.natebeck.us/20180407_161010_resized.jpg

 

When I first started escorting in the late 90s, the BAR was still very viable. The web-based sites were only just starting. I ran line ads, which were much less expensive than display ads with photos. Then I had discreet business cards that I'd leave at the end of each appointment so they could find me again. All very old-school. I don't know how or if FOSTA applies to print, but it does seem like a back-to-the-future moment.

Edited April 7, 2018 by nate_sf

[LaffingBear]

Perhaps there is hope for The Townhouse after all. (I'm only half joking...)

 

Today I picked up a copy of the Bay Area Reporter and checked to see if it still runs escort ads. It does indeed, though it's only a very modest quarter page of ads, compared to several pages years ago:

 

http://www.natebeck.us/20180407_161010_resized.jpg

 

When I first started escorting in the late 90s, the BAR was still very viable. The web-based sites were only just starting. I ran line ads, which were much less expensive than display ads with photos. Then I had discreet business cards that I'd leave at the end of each appointment so they could find me again. All very old-school. I don't know how or if FOSTA applies to print, but it does seem like a back-to-the-future moment.

I wouldnt expect much from print.

 

I used to rely on BAR. visit vegas, get the bugle. Etc.

 

As the internet grew, BAR added ebar, an online edition. I would assume that with the current state of tech... theres one point of data entry for both print and online. Automatically. I'd expect the papers to be just as worried as any other online service regarding trafficking.

 

Its been very common to say hello to someone ... whether craigs, or a grindr-clone, and for the reply to be some form of "gen?"

 

If - big IF - RM goes, I expect the apps will be the new equivalent of street hustling.

[+ tassojunior]

I agree. Grindr etc with some discretion. Hopefully MassuerFinder will survive.

 

In NYC and FLL the lapdance bars are going to get more packed.

[MrMattBig]

Green hanky in the back pocket - left side top; right side bottom.

 

What if your vers?

[+ José Soplanucas]

I am noticing more movement in A4A.

[biggerbilly]

What if your vers?

I think you wear them in both. I was born after the code. Well technically during, but it was no use to me, lol. But I’m fascinated by it.

http://78.media.tumblr.com/a172796a0a200d5cb91722b31efafff6/tumblr_owyj0bYE6T1tjnp1xo1_1280.jpg

http://78.media.tumblr.com/a02dddb149a4a799c643a042028da7aa/tumblr_owyj0bYE6T1tjnp1xo2_250.jpg

[Mocha]

@nate_sf , definitely the business card thing. I am definitely going to revert back to business cards.

 

I run the track often, and already twice I've come across guys who seem to be interested in me. One today, Latin guy walking his little dog. I stopped and spoke to him first, and wanted to make a move, but felt maybe too forward. With business cards, I can just say I do nude massage just like I would elsewhere...and not have to be concerned about being too forward. Use my fake internet number that's not traceable, and my email.

 

Only thing that's limiting me right now is not having a full time place to host. Hopefully that will be solved, very soon. I'm ready! Fuck I'm ready.

[nate_sf]

What if your vers?

 

I was wondering the same thing...

[Mocha]

-DATING SITES: Grindr, tinder, any type of hookup site can easily be used to hire or find clients (Providers please learn how to properly finesse a dating site) there are many instructional videos on thecompleteguidetoescorting.com (due to FOSTA their education and video section is private and you will need to create a customer account before you can access it)

 

I’m sure there are many other places but these tend to be my go to spots when my ads aren’t hitting.

 

I like the optimism, however...using hookup apps to find clients can often be inefficient for me. I suppose with some trial and error, one can gauge when the right time would be to bring up the discussion. Can't do it on there because people report and account gets banned. Can't do it in person because it's too late. You'd have to exchange numbers, and then finesse it from there.

 

But even then, if we're talking about raising rates, that's not going to be a stretch using Grindr and company. Most of those guys are already very cheap, so it seems like counter-productive to be advocating raising of rates, and using Grindr...a place where people often baulk at anything much over $100, because so many others are willing to accept lower prices.

[MiamiLooker]

All very old-school. I don't know how or if FOSTA applies to print, but it does seem like a back-to-the-future moment.

Maybe something like the old AOL or GAY.COM chatrooms will have a rebirth. With a little subtlety in one's profile, it was very easy for renters and rentees to find each other.

[biggerbilly]

As someone who likes to keep my personal sex life separate from my business sex life, I’m going to hate having more escorts on dating apps.

 

If you’re going to use a dating app to advertise, can you please at least advertise! I know there’s a limit to what you can say in profiles not to get flagged, but you can try and hint at what you’re after. I hate talking to someone who I think is interested in me, but is after my wallet. Especially if they hit me up first!

[Mocha]

As someone who likes to keep my personal sex life separate from my business sex life, I’m going to hate having more escorts on dating apps.

 

If you’re going to use a dating app to advertise, can you please at least advertise! I know there’s a limit to what you can say in profiles not to get flagged, but you can try and hint at what you’re after. I hate talking to someone who I think is interested in me, but is after my wallet. Especially if they hit me up first!

 

Well what are we going to do? Print and send that post to the aforementioned dating site, so they CAN fucking let people advertise. Let them know how things are, and how bad they are getting...that they continually refuse to de-criminalize prostitution. It could easily be mitigated if they just stamped "PROFESSIONAL" on their profile like adam4adam does, but they want to make escorts out to be some foreign race of human beings to be separated from all gay humanity....the same gay humanity out there doing the same things.

 

However I do agree, if guys are advertising, they need to be upfront early. It's not right to fake interest in someone over several messages, and then wait to bring up money. Waste of both parties time.

 

BUT...even HINTING is enough to get the profile removed and phone blocked. That's why within a couple messages, I leave my number and don't say anything else. Why are you hating for? That's the problem. Some people who patronize escorts, need to stop with the condescending view towards them. Y'all are partly to blame for all of this FOSTA stuff happening. It's really an internal solution. If more "clients" stood up for us, rather than putting us down, they wouldn't have to pass laws to "protect" and "remove" us. You're promoting exactly what FOSTA wants: to shoo us away. You can't be one-sided: love us when you're horny and it's convenient, but hate seeing us in places you deem inconvenient, aka bars, Grindr, dating apps.

 

It's 2018, time to call the spades a spade. Quit monkeying around out here. People are going to need to reach deep down inside of themselves, and see how they are the very contributors to their freedoms being marginalized.