Retirement

[MiamiLooker]

Since Apps and other means (Craigslist, Backpage, stripper bars, etc) make it so easy to find really hot playmates for $100 or less and even for free, how do Rentmen advertisers convince potential clients that their time is worth upwards of $200? You can call yourself “professional”, but we see threads all too often here in the forum about “pros” with good reviews leaving early, arriving late, cancelling at the last minute, no shows, not providing the service they agreed to, etc., yet charging “the going rate” of $300. How do you differentiate yourself from all the others, and why should a potential client trust you? I hire 3-4 times per week (I need a different hobby), but I’ve never hired from Rentboy, Rentmen, or M4RN. Why should I hire from those sites when the guys I’ve found through other means are just as hot or hotter, are reliable and charge a fraction of what the “pros” ask for?

[down_to_business]

The decline of the "business" is a whole different interesting topic. To this we speak in general terms to the overall as in any market some individual escorts will have no decline in business and others wouldn't admit it even if they did. All I can speak to is why my hiring has substantially declined.

 

$300 an hour. Sorry. I know some of you guys like it. I don't. I don't enjoy this little hobby enough to pay that. I am one that will gladly do without than spend that. It also seems like everybody wants to advertise $300 now as well.

 

Ask me. No I won't ask you. I have occasionally broken my rule and asked and almost every single time I have been made to live to regret it. Asking you is a colossal waste of everyone's time involved and has maybe (and I am being generous here) led to actual hiring maybe 1/2 of 1% of the time. Not having to ask, could have saved us all so much time and so much aggravation. Not having to ask may have actually led to hiring. Ask me seems to be growing in popularity.

 

Fake profiles, fake pictures and fake reviews.

 

Cancellations, noshows, blowoffs, lack of communication.

 

The death of Rentboy. Rentmen has tried but hasn't come close to picking up the slack. Men4RentNow is WORTHLESS!

 

Inability to identify (in some cases like the OP) who the good escorts are and how to make contact.

 

For me it is NOT the pick up apps... I rarely if ever use them.

[Jock123]

I wonder if people are just skipping the whole sex-4-cash scene entirely and just watching CAM4 and Chaturbate for free.

 

 

Another Interesting Point.....Chaturbate. I also Believe Chaturbate has led to the decline of people Hiring. MOST guys are Ripped/Hot and usually naked...for free. I've talked to a few guys on there and unless You get Very....VERY Lucky...there Isnt much money to be Made there either. Its mostly Women or Couples who are making the bank. Sure there are a few excpetions as to any business...

 

 

 

ALSO here's my thing. If I were to have someone Book me 2 months In Advance. With them having bought plane Tickets, Made Reservations at a Hotel and basically catering their time around our getting together. Chalk up the meeting the entire time, And then the DAY OF Cancel...MOST would lose their shit, And write a Review etc. CLIENTS however their is no accountability. Its just Courtesy...treat people how You want to be treated.Put yourself In the Escorts shoes. When their time is Valuable...Literallly. How would You feel if You were Canceled on the day of(Which I'm sure most of You have).

[Epigonos]

You know guys (escorts,) I am a regular with nearly all of the escorts I currently see. The best insurance against having to deal with trolls and flakes is to develop a cadre of regulars. Yes, I agree that isn’t all that easy and it does TAKE TIME. Over time if you play it right and have a certain type of personality clients will stay with you. Yes I definitely agree “times they are a changing” and many of those changes I, like you guys, find unfortunate. If we want to continue playing, regardless of the field, we MUST, however, adjust and change as well. Here are just a few suggestions: 1.) Maybe it is time to request a good faith $50 -$100 deposit. You’d lose me with this but I’m certainly not the only fish in the pond, 2.) Maybe after a really successful first encounter you might offer the clients a special discount on a future longer appointment, 3.) Maybe if you do an incall you might ask your potential clients if there is something special, to drink, that you might have on hand for him, 3.) Maybe if you do an outcall you might ask the client if there is something special to drink that you might bring, 4.) Maybe if the clients seems to be someone you might want to cultivate you might offer to take him out to lunch or dinner. You might think all of these suggestions are absurd but do please keep in mind that if we don’t change with the times; the times will leave us behind.

 

P.S. One more suggestion is to post here on a regular basis. Post on a variety of subjects showing that you are an interesting, informed and caring individual.

[Shiloh]

ALSO here's my thing. If I were to have someone Book me 2 months In Advance. With them having bought plane Tickets, Made Reservations at a Hotel and basically catering their time around our getting together. Chalk up the meeting the entire time, And then the DAY OF Cancel...MOST would lose their shit, And write a Review etc. CLIENTS however their is no accountability. Its just Courtesy...treat people how You want to be treated.Put yourself In the Escorts shoes. When their time is Valuable...Literallly. How would You feel if You were Canceled on the day of(Which I'm sure most of You have).

 

You've brought up some very interesting and valid points. No show clients automatically get a pass. Derek and I briefly touched on this subject last month, he basically said "If you knew how many people canceled on me last minute or were no shows...you never hear that side."

[Reluctant Daddy]

You know guys (escorts,) I am a regular with nearly all of the escorts I currently see. The best insurance against having to deal with trolls and flakes is to develop a cadre of regulars.

 

This is something that I'd like to do as a client. There are an equal number of flakes holding themselves out as escorts. For the time, money and effort it takes, I'd like to make certain that I don't encounter a string of them. Craigslist and Backpage are full of sketchy, scary wannabees where I am. I'd be happy with a handful of proven guys I know I could count on.

[Hungmixedboi88]

I most definitely stopped escorting a few years ago before getting regulars which I regret today but I am hopeful that I will meet more clients who I connect with and connect with me. Have one client who I believe might become a regular and Epigonos you hit the nail on the head. One of my good friends who has had awesome success in porn and escorting told me that if he's on an outcall he'll ask what sort of wine they like or remember something they bought previously or mentioned and might even bring it without any prompt at all and he said that was one of his secrets to getting called back on top of his career itself so I'm gonna take both of you guy's advice on that haha.

 

Again I sympathize with Jock. It's really confusing to me to go through all of that just to flake right? I'm making a trip over to Amsterdam in a few weeks and I'm hoping there are less flakes there lol

[Jock123]

You know guys (escorts,) I am a regular with nearly all of the escorts I currently see. The best insurance against having to deal with trolls and flakes is to develop a cadre of regulars. Yes, I agree that isn’t all that easy and it does TAKE TIME. Over time if you play it right and have a certain type of personality clients will stay with you. Yes I definitely agree “times they are a changing” and many of those changes I, like you guys, find unfortunate. If we want to continue playing, regardless of the field, we MUST, however, adjust and change as well. Here are just a few suggestions: 1.) Maybe it is time to request a good faith $50 -$100 deposit. You’d lose me with this but I’m certainly not the only fish in the pond, 2.) Maybe after a really successful first encounter you might offer the clients a special discount on a future longer appointment, 3.) Maybe if you do an incall you might ask your potential clients if there is something special, to drink, that you might have on hand for him, 3.) Maybe if you do an outcall you might ask the client if there is something special to drink that you might bring, 4.) Maybe if the clients seems to be someone you might want to cultivate you might offer to take him out to lunch or dinner. You might think all of these suggestions are absurd but do please keep in mind that if we don’t change with the times; the times will leave us behind.

 

 

Epigonos I LOVE these Suggestions. I'll admit a few years ago I took for granted how easy things were. NOW If I meet someone and we click...I dont take it for granted. I'm a firm believer that regulars are crucial to sustainability In this business. And will be going the extra mile to show my appreciation.

[+ Truereview]

@Jock123, I've learned a lot from what has been shared on this thread. I will add a slightly different perspective, and I hope you are in a financial or emotional position to consider it:

 

When I escorted, I did so throughout undergrad and grad school. I took an 8-month break in between. I took the break bc I was getting burned out. When I met with my clients, I gave so much of myself to them but some took it for granted. It started to bug me. Also, things that come with this business (cancellations, being treated like an object, stalking) were getting to me. I was losing my passion for the work and letting meaningless things have a cumulative effect. Taking those 8 months off was a blessing. I got an opportunity to finish my coaching certification, get additional massage therapy certifications, and even job-shadowed a concierge at a Ritz to learn about customer experience and customer loyalty. I came back more centered, re-energized, and more tolerant of the BS. The added bonus was that clients went wild when I returned- they got a chance to miss me. That little break got me thru grad school. Sometimes retirement is not the only answer, perhaps you can consider a "sabbatical?"

 

As far as the business and its cycle, keep in mind that the only thing we can control is ourselves. Take the reins. Be aware of the trends and patterns, but try to control only what you can: you.

[RockyHardon]

@Jock123

 

I hope you will let me comment. I'm currently neither a client nor an escort. However, I have been both in the past, and if history is any guide will probably be both in the future. I have noticed that the game has really changed all over the spectrum from escorting to dating to play parties. I have friends all over the spectrum who are escorts, clients, party hosts and bathhouse owners, and app developers.

 

Basically, we are in a complete restructuring of everthing that has to do with dating and escorting. The closeted gay world has completely disappeared. Thus, the gay dating world and gay escorting world is starting to mimick the straight dating and escorting world. In the straight escorting world, the girls who survive are the stippers, porn stars, and agency girls who tie into the marketing/reputation power of an illicit escorting organization. There will always be a market for strippers, go-go boys, and porn stars. Guys know that to be with these types you had better be a fat wallet sugar daddy or you just have to pay. If you want a pretty girl/or boy on your arm, you are either rich, or renting for the pleasure. Same if you want to simply fuck.

 

Grindr, A4A, Scruff, Jack'd, BBRT, and so many other sites like them are loaded up with available tops and bottoms just looking for anonymous no questions asked free hook-ups. The flake factor on these sites are high, but there are often very hot men just looking for fun, and I'm certain many clients have discovered these sites and just try to get a free nsa hook-up before or while discussing a session with an escort. Unfortunately, the truth is for many clients, sex is sex is sex and if you can get it for free, why pay.

 

However, the client's who don't have time to waste(successful businessmen, professionals, and husbands on lunch break), will not waste their time and take chances on a hook-up, but those who have time to kill my risk a bad session with a freebie, for the opportunity to save a few benjamins. It is a fact of life.

 

All that being said, I think the right escorts have an incredible opportunity in this changing market. But the old pattern of just posting a few pictures and a phone number won't work because all the dating sites and apps have pictures and contact information for some pretty hot none escort hook-ups.

 

Another example: In the early 2000's all the escorts had personal membership websites. These generated subsidiary income to the escort and kept good clients in constant contact and up to date on the escorts travels/adventures/etc. If you do a search for your favorite porn stars in early 2000's on wwww.wayback.com, you will see they ALL had these sites. However, now there are very few...why? FACEBOOK. However, enterprising escorts have made facebook the defacto advertising site AT LESS COST, but it has shaken out those escorts who want to be in the closet. However, porn stars, strippers, and dancers all have a Facebook page for their profession and it becomes a feeder for sugar daddies and good clients to meet them.

 

Last point on advance bookings: We have moved into a paperless money economy, and many guys don't mind using their various plastic payment vehicles. Years ago I had a dear escort friend who would politely say to a client who was not looking to meet within 3 hours, that they needed a deposit to hold their time or else they couldn't guarantee availability. It works. You will lose quite a few clients, but your advance booking flake factor will disappear.

 

So YES The game is changing Big Time, and will never be the same...but it isn't called the oldest profession for nothing, and enterprising and creative escorts will find a way to find the clients that are out there. The good client's haven't gone anywhere, it is just that how you reach them has changed.

 

Good luck to you.

[+ Funguy]

I am relatively new to this hiring biz (4 years) - but I'm not shy - and i have seen a huge change, esp. in the fakes, trolls, etc.

All of the things you all are talking.

 

I love the suggestions that Epigonos has brought up but I, myself, don't need them. I just want my gentleman of the time to really man-up for my time with him. I have had extraordinary luck with my choices (all from here) and they all have become my regulars, my go-to's, and all for different reasons. The constant is that they tell me and act accordingly that they are having fun and that I treat them well.

That's all it takes!

 

I know it's me but I cannot even conceive of all these trolls, inconsiderates, guys who cancel all the time. Only once have i been asked for a deposit (it was for a meet about 5 months in advance for a prolonged session) and I perfectly understood and sent it...with glee

 

I've only cancelled once and that was a week ahead. I've been cancelled only twice - both at the last minute and with, I will accept, genuine excuses. If I, as a client, had a reputation for cancelling I guarantee you none of my wonderful guys would tolerate me.

 

Shit! Now I'm horny again:p

[+ sniper]

Part of it is not all that long ago you had to have a little bit of nerve and a little bit of resourcefulness(both of which correlate with having higher income though not perfectly) to find out where to even look for an escort. Now that every Tom Dick and Harry has a smartphone that's not the case. So you're getting the trolls mixed in. And it costs them nothing to send a message and then flake.

[Jock123]

As far as the business and its cycle, keep in mind that the only thing we can control is ourselves. Take the reins. Be aware of the trends and patterns, but try to control only what you can: you.

 

 

I absolutely LOVE this. There's a saying that goes something like "You can't control how people treat You, What you can control is how You respond to them"

 

Thus You are totally right. It is what It is. While I would never treat some of these flakes as they've treated me, I cant let it eat at my soul. I have to remind myself of the COUNTLESS great encounters I have had. It really does make up for the few...Idiots(To put politely)

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope you will let me comment. I'm currently neither a client nor an escort. However, I have been both in the past, and if history is any guide will probably be both in the future. I have noticed that the game has really changed all over the spectrum from escorting to dating to play parties. I have friends all over the spectrum who are escorts, clients, party hosts and bathhouse owners, and app developers.

 

Basically, we are in a complete restructuring of everthing that has to do with dating and escorting. The closeted gay world has completely disappeared. Thus, the gay dating world and gay escorting world is starting to mimick the straight dating and escorting world. In the straight escorting world, the girls who survive are the stippers, porn stars, and agency girls who tie into the marketing/reputation power of an illicit escorting organization. There will always be a market for strippers, go-go boys, and porn stars. Guys know that to be with these types you had better be a fat wallet sugar daddy or you just have to pay. If you want a pretty girl/or boy on your arm, you are either rich, or renting for the pleasure. Same if you want to simply fuck.

 

Grindr, A4A, Scruff, Jack'd, BBRT, and so many other sites like them are loaded up with available tops and bottoms just looking for anonymous no questions asked free hook-ups. The flake factor on these sites are high, but there are often very hot men just looking for fun, and I'm certain many clients have discovered these sites and just try to get a free nsa hook-up before or while discussing a session with an escort. Unfortunately, the truth is for many clients, sex is sex is sex and if you can get it for free, why pay.

 

However, the client's who don't have time to waste(successful businessmen, professionals, and husbands on lunch break), will not waste their time and take chances on a hook-up, but those who have time to kill my risk a bad session with a freebie, for the opportunity to save a few benjamins. It is a fact of life.

 

All that being said, I think the right escorts have an incredible opportunity in this changing market. But the old pattern of just posting a few pictures and a phone number won't work because all the dating sites and apps have pictures and contact information for some pretty hot none escort hook-ups.

 

Another example: In the early 2000's all the escorts had personal membership websites. These generated subsidiary income to the escort and kept good clients in constant contact and up to date on the escorts travels/adventures/etc. If you do a search for your favorite porn stars in early 2000's on wwww.wayback.com, you will see they ALL had these sites. However, now there are very few...why? FACEBOOK. However, enterprising escorts have made facebook the defacto advertising site AT LESS COST, but it has shaken out those escorts who want to be in the closet. However, porn stars, strippers, and dancers all have a Facebook page for their profession and it becomes a feeder for sugar daddies and good clients to meet them.

 

Last point on advance bookings: We have moved into a paperless money economy, and many guys don't mind using their various plastic payment vehicles. Years ago I had a dear escort friend who would politely say to a client who was not looking to meet within 3 hours, that they needed a deposit to hold their time or else they couldn't guarantee availability. It works. You will lose quite a few clients, but your advance booking flake factor will disappear.

 

So YES The game is changing Big Time, and will never be the same...but it isn't called the oldest profession for nothing, and enterprising and creative escorts will find a way to find the clients that are out there. The good client's haven't gone anywhere, it is just that how you reach them has changed.

 

Good luck to you.

 

 

Thank you so much for such a thoughtful post. SO much wisdom In this. You are right...It isnt called the "Oldest profession" for nothing. The key is finding ways to Adjust, And be three steps ahead of the game

[jimboivyo]

the solution isn't quitting. it's finding the key to success. and that's possible

 

there are several escorts out there now who make a great living doing this full time. perhaps you need to contact them directly and ask questions

[+ Keith30309]

Im sure every escort has their days when they want to quit the business and find something else to do, but then I get a text like today from a regular saying that he had a great time and that I made him feel wanted and happy and for those small reasons I'm glad I do what I do.

 

Escorting is a job, it comes with high reward but also risks like no shows, flakes, the "legality" etc of it. I feel like the "trolls" are just part of the work and part of the escorting world. Its not going to end, you'll just have to keep dealing with it when your an escort.

 

As for the business dying and not being marketable.... It's funny I wish I was older because all these older guys got the full use from rentboy and probably have tons of regulars that they don't have to look for new people. I feel like when the rentboy thing happen it scared off a lot of people.

 

@Jock123 people on the website have given me great advice and said if you don't have a good month or are getting much business, change up your ad, lower your prices or offer discounts the longer they stay, I feel like in this day you just have to market yourself differently seeing as their is tons of competition.

 

I love your attitude! I suspect you'd be good at whatever you chose to do. Virtually every person I've ever met who is successful at what they do has a great attitude about it.

 

You need to get out on the road and meet some of the Forum hombre's.

[caliguy]

As far as the flakes go don't just let them go. Some say to take the high road but I say fuck that. Report them. My personal fav is the white pages app. It's right next to my phone app where I can easily check. I've noticed allot of escorts using it to report on flakey clients too. You can make up whatever service you want but the point is to let everyone know what kind of asshole or flake they happen to be.

 

If anyone fucks with me for anything I make sure the situation is spoken of:)

[caliguy]

Also, make sure you get their number. Flakes as a general rule don't want you to have any personal info. Check to make sure it's real too. Red flags are VoIP numbers. Basically phone numbers without an address. I think google hangouts would be a VoIP number.

[RockyHardon]

I love your attitude! I suspect you'd be good at whatever you chose to do. Virtually every person I've ever met who is successful at what they do has a great attitude about it.

 

You need to get out on the road and meet some of the Forum hombre's.

 

The "Bad Hombre's" no doubt!

[+ Funguy]

The "Bad Hombre's" no doubt!

 

Before the wall goes up!

[nate_sf]

Over the years I have come to the realization that the most trustworthy clients an escort can find are right here on this site. Most of us have been hiring for a number of years, we know the ropes and we respect and appreciated escorts.

 

This has been my experience too. My best regular clients came from this website, and I'll add that attending the various forum gatherings was great exposure for meeting new clients. Also, when I did touring I coordinated it with the various posters I'd been in touch with who lived in the places I was considering visiting, and that always made the tour a success. With just a few exceptions, I found forum guys would not cancel at the last minute.

[nate_sf]

Here's my comment on the subject of "changes In the Business." Yall know that I love to scout talent, have been doing so for years, and take risks for the team. And some of you may have noticed that my blog commentary this year is less than previous years. There is a reason for this. I have hired alot less in 2016. Why? Well, it's not a lack of trying. I have expended my usual effort to engage newbies. The results have been dismal. I have been largely ignored or the replies have been so minimal as to make me yawn, but of those who have replied, I have not received one awesome, enthusiastic, interesting, coherent expression of interest all year. Ya know, the kind of response that makes you think "wow! I wanna know more! Hell yeah, let's book a date! I'm buying your plane ticket today!"

 

So, in general, I think business savvy is waning.

 

I've heard this from clients too. Reports of poor communication from prospective escorts, lack of commitment, and flakiness from the escort side have made it difficult and frustrating to show up.

 

Since we're hearing it from both sides here, my guess is this is something more about how people are communicating (or failing to communicate) in a more general sense. Texting is great for easy take-notice communication, but it also seems it lends itself to flaking. I'm also noticing it can lead to a sort of "phone phobia" in that I've heard from various people that they can't stand talking on the phone, and only want to text. This doesn't bode well for communication, but I think if someone can figure out how to successfully navigate this landscape they can gain an upper hand.

[MikeyGMin]

Hey Baron, Id rather not say what City I'm In(I know that doesnt help) as I'm also In the Marines so like to keep my profile Discrete.

 

 

I'm sure I could meet some of You Awesome guys on here, I really wish I had the balls to "Out" myself on here.

 

 

I DO live In a Big City, Even travel to other Bigger Cities when asked. Its been D E A D. Since Rentboy shut down. I mean Horrible...

 

Jock you are a bit of an enigma to me and I'm sure I'm not alone. If you are running an ad somewhere, I honestly don't understand how pointing people here to that ad raises your profile. I assume if you are trying to be discreet that the ad does not contain face pictures. If it does, you aren't being that discreet so once again it just doesn't make sense.

 

I agree with others here that it's all about the regulars. They are the foundation you can count on and keep you from having to deal with so many flakes. I don't talk to my regular in any detail about his business (I like to pretend I'm the only one ) but I know that I am not his only regular, and that I try to be very good to him, and he keeps himself quite busy.

 

You obviously choose what and how you advertise, but here's another way all this coyness is working against you. I have lost track of the number of PMs I have gotten about my regular. I am not his scheduler or his handler and I don't involve myself in his business, but I will always vouch for his hotness and the quality of the experience he provides. If a 411 gets posted about him, I'm always happy to confirm that he's 100% real and 100% fun. I'm not sure how much business it has actually thrown his way, but it couldn't hurt.

 

Last point because I'm feeling contrary. I honestly don't think the change in the market has much to do with the dating apps. At least not for your age bracket. I'm sure many clients use the apps and hook up with people, but they aren't hot 20-somethings that scratch the itch that most clients feel for a hot younger guy. Assuming your avatar is you, and the way you've described yourself is true, they aren't finding guys like you on the dating apps.

 

Enough said. I think you are missing a big opportunity if you are legit and you are really looking to increase your solid client base, but you do you baby.

[big-n-tall]

I know you're trying to keep your anonymity because of your military service. However, myself (and I'm sure many others on this board) would hire you with the quickness. I think part of the problem is you don't give us enough of a hint of where you are/how to contact you for hiring. Ultimately, you're missing out a good number of people (from the forum) interested in meeting you. You're clearly hot and your posts show you are thoughtful caring and witty at times. Many of us would be regulars I'm sure.

 

I know ups and downs can make you second guess this activity. You shouldn't be discouraged if the number of posts in this topic is any indication. I think if you reach out more and take a chance, you could broaden your clientele base... at least a little. Again I understand the whys, but I do think you handicap yourself a bit.

 

I still hold out hope we'll meet one day. I have references.

[BabyBoomer]

I don't talk to my regular in any detail about his business (I like to pretend I'm the only one )

 

 

~ Boomer ~

[dlee02]

Observation 1: Lots of good feedback here and I have to agree the best/informed/courteous clients probably either participate in or lurk around this forum. I learned a lot just from this one thread.

 

Observation 2: I'm starting to think my regulars are taking me for granted. I want wine brought to me at my next session

 

Observation 3: Attitude makes such a huge difference. Notice all the offers to meet Jock but none for the one who complains loudly in all caps...