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[jjkrkwood]

I am not sure what is more annoying, Jamahl's whining or the whining about Jamahl. Is is so easy to ignore a post when we don't like it, but we choose to add to the negativity.

I do not like Mocha's whining, I have advised him against it in public and in private. He has ignored my advise, and that is fine with me. When I see one of his whining posts, I just ignore it. It is so easy, specially with the traffic we have in these forums, we have plenty of threads to participate in.

I do not make any judgements about Joey's personality or talent as an escort. I know that our forum character often does not match our real one. I agree that he has not talent marketing his escort skills, but lack of marketing skills does not equal lack of escorting skills. I have noticed several times that he makes caring and appreciative comments about his good clients, amongst all the bitching about the bad ones.

I do not hire for company, so I do not care about the escort's personality, education, ideology, religion, etc., as long as we can sexually connect and have a good fuck. To be honest, Jamahl looks and sounds very promising. I would hire him without second thoughts. And then, based on our experience together, I would make my judgement about his escorting skills. Those who rush to cast him out of the market, may be wrong.

 

 

So basically YOU are whining about that people that are whining about Mocha's whining ? Whew, too exhausting. So I guess EVERYONE has something to Whine about !

 

Mr lat, we all know of your preference for Black men. One wonders if you would be so tolerant and nurturing if the situation was the same with a non-Black escort ? One expects you want to keep the door open with a good line of communication should the possibility of a hookup with Mocha arise. That's fine, and it makes perfect sense, plus he can use the business.

[+ José Soplanucas]

So basically YOU are whining about that people that are whining about Mocha's whining ? Whew, too exhausting. So I guess EVERYONE has something to Whine about !

 

Mr lat, we all know of your preference for Black men. One wonders if you would be so tolerant and nurturing if the situation was the same with a non-Black escort ? One expects you want to keep the door open with a good line of communication should the possibility of a hookup with Mocha arise. That's fine, and it makes perfect sense, plus he can use the business.

 

We all have our motives to do whatever we do. I do not waste my time trying to figure it out your motives. You should follow my example.

[slightly]

So basically YOU are whining about that people that are whining about Mocha's whining ? Whew, too exhausting. So I guess EVERYONE has something to Whine about !

 

Mr lat, we all know of your preference for Black men. One wonders if you would be so tolerant and nurturing if the situation was the same with a non-Black escort ? One expects you want to keep the door open with a good line of communication should the possibility of a hookup with Mocha arise. That's fine, and it makes perfect sense, plus he can use the business.

 

Oh my days!

 

Look, I know I am new to the forum, I'm still getting to know everyone, and have no historical experience of the situation that the members have had with mocha on this forum, but as an outsider this thread reads less about Mocha and more about you and your reaction to Mocha. In the week that I have been involved in this forum, I have seen you to be a well respected and valued contributor to the discussions with a lot of great humour, but on this thread you come off as the bully. It would have been the mature thing to have just passed on Mocha's thread, let those that offered Mocha advice to get on with it, and if what you had said is in fact true about Mocha not heeding advice, then we would have learned that for ourselves and you would have saved yourself some serious aggravation.

 

This is not meant to be an attack on you...I'm paraphrasing but you yourself have said that the way escorts interact with clients on this forum should be careful as it could impact on them negatively, and the same goes for us as clients in our interaction with escorts and the other clients on this forum.

[marylander1940]

THIS is why in work and life I text only with people I know VERY well. My number, which is 310-360-9890 by the way , does not accept texts. Texting is convenient, but it also makes it VERY easy for people to behave poorly.

 

Once upon a time I was called "thick and slow" on here and by PM because saying the same.... I need to talk for a couple of minutes before making plans with someone I've never met before.

[jjkrkwood]

We all have our motives to do whatever we do. I do not waste my time trying to figure it out your motives. You should follow my example.

 

I didnt waste any time. It was just kinda obvious.

[jjkrkwood]

Oh my days!

 

Look, I know I am new to the forum, I'm still getting to know everyone, and have no historical experience of the situation that the members have had with mocha on this forum, but as an outsider this thread reads less about Mocha and more about you and your reaction to Mocha. In the week that I have been involved in this forum, I have seen you to be a well respected and valued contributor to the discussions with a lot of great humour, but on this thread you come off as the bully. It would have been the mature thing to have just passed on Mocha's thread, let those that offered Mocha advice to get on with it, and if what you had said is in fact true about Mocha not heeding advice, then we would have learned that for ourselves and you would have saved yourself some serious aggravation.

 

This is not meant to be an attack on you...I'm paraphrasing but you yourself have said that the way escorts interact with clients on this forum should be careful as it could impact on them negatively, and the same goes for us as clients in our interaction with escorts and the other clients on this forum.

 

 

slightly, I respect your opinion, but I have never believed this forum should be a 1 way street. If we have differences of opinion, we all should be free to voice them. I dont think a negative opinion on something is bullying, in fact if that were the case, you could say Mocha is also a bully, inflicting his constant negativity on us by complaining about those people who potentially could be his clients and as well members here. Bullying is a method, not necessarily what you say, so saying I am coming off as a bully is a stretch, but ill consider it. We are all different people, and therefore behave differently. What you might consider mature behavior may not have the same interpretation for me. We all need to allow each other to have our say. As we allow Mocha his time and space here, so should those people who dont enjoy his attitude or comments be allowed to say so.

 

I am not taking your comments as an attack, and thank you for addressing me in such a civil manner. Very gentlemanly and appreciated. And BTW, I never said welcome to the Forum, so WELCUM....

[+ José Soplanucas]

I didnt waste any time. It was just kinda obvious.

Naw, you did waste it. As most people who go for the obvious do.

[Mocha]

I've decided that until the powers that be quarantine and remove vermin like jjkirkwood and Maryland...i am officially announcing my departure from the message center for good. Blocking and banning it from all devices.

 

There should be 0 tolerance for overt criticism and personal attacks on escorts....the very people who are the reason the forum exists. I also don't like the fact that many of these guys don't hire much if at all anyway, and have become more like f*g hags who have nothing better to do and no outside life. There should be 0 tolerance for members to taunt, degrade or menace other posters simply because their views differ from their own.

 

That's why many of my clients wouldnt dare step foot into this environment. This is no diss to the review section or the forum resource, but more a diss to people who make the place feel So treacherous. So any further personal remarks are null and void.

 

Guys....it ain't that serious. Not sure how such a simple topic turns everyone into monsters. Hopefully people can see past the little things and focus on the real deal. Like I said, I'm not hurting or phased by the words, but I'd rather remain on daddy's good side than to get coerced into something stupid over something so trivial. I'll cut my losses and move on to bigger and better things. Like rendezvous with clients, taking care of my pets, and focusing on the needs of family and friends.

 

I'm happy if that's the only good thing to come out of it Because after all...

 

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[slightly]

*facepalm*

 

@jjkrkwood respectively disagree with you on somethings (particularly the intricacies of bullying), agree with you on others (open forum, voicing opinion but in a respectful manner), and thank you for welcoming me into the lovely forum (I do really like it here but it sure can be filled with drama, I imagine it gets much worse)!

 

Now I'm gonna tap out of this one coz I think it's gonna get fugly. The fetish forum is looking more appealing

[MikeBiDude]

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Did the clock stop ticking already???

[BabyBoomer]

Did the clock stop ticking already???

 

Life is full of broken promises.

 

~ Boomer ~

[Rod Hagen]

THIS is why in work and life I text only with people I know VERY well. My number, which is 310-360-9890 by the way , does not accept texts. Texting is convenient, but it also makes it VERY easy for people to behave poorly.

That's a bit harsh. Some people start their days early, and like to get things out of the way. And while they probably should be considerate of other peoples schedules, they just are oblivious, it doesn't mean they are behaving poorly. They are just living their lives. And if receiving texts at ungodly hours is bothersome, there is probably some way to block them? I say probably because I don't have a cell phone so know nothing about its functionality. On my landline, I mute my messages so my sleep is not disturbed. You always have options, but as I've said before, some people just like to complain, ABOUT EVERYTHING.

 

you didn't read (closely) the quote I was responding to. Problem is not people texting (or calling) late at night (as you say, they may have no choice), the problem is that text makes it very too easy and likely for people to queer a scheduled meeting. For whatever reason people are less likely to do this via phone or email.

[Mocha]

you didn't read (closely) the quote I was responding to. Problem is not people texting (or calling) late at night (as you say, they may have no choice), the problem is that text makes it very too easy and likely for people to queer a scheduled meeting. For whatever reason people are less likely to do this via phone or email.

 

Thank you Rod.

 

Forget all that "some people like to start their days early". I've met clients who live on farms or remote areas who wake up at 5 am. I met a guy who's 26 years old and is a school principle and wakes up at 3:30 am. Yet, these guys never contacted me at these hours to "get stuff out the way". They contacted me when the sun was either directly overhead or slightly setting.

 

Let's just call a spade a spade. There's no reason to defend a 6 am morning call out the blue. And for the last final time, if someone has special needs to meet that early, they can do so by contacting the night or 2 before. That's when I've been able to successfully take such early appointments to fit in around husbands and wives and such. But even nowadays, I tend to refuse early morning visits as it leaves me tired later in the day (once I'm up, I'm up) and tends to throw off my 'cycle'.

 

The blaming and hostility and liking such posts is just being humorously mean for kicks, and this ain't even Route 66. Everyone knows damn well they'd be fuming pissd if a telemarketer called them or even left a message at 6 am. A stranger is a stranger.

 

Just because a phone number is posted publicly does not allow 24 hour free access. We are not a 1800 number. We are a private phone line. With private lives. It's common sense. Yes, a do not disturb or silencing between certain hours is likely a necessary solution. However, I frankly don't get those early calls too often...and sometimes I don't mind it if I happen to be up. But 9 times out of 10, those early morning requests made in the morning as opposed to the night before, usually never come thru.

 

Now enough. I'm done addressing this. You can all argue amongst yourselves about me, I'm leaving to take care of things that matter. It's a non mother fucking factor.

[bigvalboy]

Did the clock stop ticking already???

 

BTW...what happened to the clock?

[Mocha]

I don't see 6am texts as a problem. Here are three profiles for guys who might text an escort at 6am. I'm sure there are dozens more:

 

1)He has an 8-5 job, so he gets up 5-6am daily for his morning routine which might include breakfast, a workout, TV, personal e-mail and social media, and anything else he starts his day with before heading off to work. He's a creature of habit, so his routine doesn't vary much on the weekends.

 

2) He's been up all night on Grindr, A4A, or Craigslist trying to hook up. Nothing's come of it so now it's 6am and he's about to crash. He's decided he's gonna contact an escort so he can salvage the night by having some opportunity to look forward to.

 

3) He's been eyeing your ad for weeks, fantasizing about you, and trying to work up the nerve to take the plunge. He's so obsessed with the idea that he has no concept of time. He might have contacted you at 5pm on a Thursday if that's when he finally found some initiative.

The real issue is the canceling and flaking, IMO.

 

Before I go...( but don't wake me up Before you go, go) i do appreciate your views towards jjkirkwood earlier and it all seems spot on. But I'll answer the above in one quick slice: I'll explain why texts at 6 am tend to be problematic.

 

1) those types would usually contact me after 5 pm anyway. Think: rush hour, rushing to work, and + all the things you already mentioned. No time to contact an escort

 

2) Sounds like a meth/coke fueled mission. Bad advice. Does an escort really want to be a last resort to someone who's been up ALL night browsing for free sex until 6 am? I mean yeah maybe at a bathhouse that's acceptable. But don't bet on being paid for it. However, I've had that in Dallas before. But...the client contacted me way earlier that afternoon. He went radio silent, but his ad was up on Adam all the while. He finally calls me at 4:30 am as I'm heading out. Fortunately i was already in the car so it didn't bother me to turn back around...but he was 20 miles across town. Fortunately I stayed over but still...all those hours of being put on hold. I could of fucked him 2-3 times. By the time he invited me over he was dozing off.

 

3) Not sure where you're coming from...but I'm pretty confident he can work up the courage at 20 other hours besides 4, 5, 6, 7 am.

[Mocha]

Finally, I'll leave with this song: but just add DON'T to each time you hear "wake me up"

 

[jjkrkwood]

BTW...what happened to the clock?

 

 

[YoungAD]

I am not sure what is more annoying, Jamahl's whining or the whining about Jamahl. Is is so easy to ignore a post when we don't like it, but we choose to add to the negativity.

I do not like Mocha's whining, I have advised him against it in public and in private. He has ignored my advise, and that is fine with me. When I see one of his whining posts, I just ignore it. It is so easy, specially with the traffic we have in these forums, we have plenty of threads to participate in.

I do not make any judgements about Joey's personality or talent as an escort. I know that our forum character often does not match our real one. I agree that he has not talent marketing his escort skills, but lack of marketing skills does not equal lack of escorting skills. I have noticed several times that he makes caring and appreciative comments about his good clients, amongst all the bitching about the bad ones.

I do not hire for company, so I do not care about the escort's personality, education, ideology, religion, etc., as long as we can sexually connect and have a good fuck. To be honest, Jamahl looks and sounds very promising. I would hire him without second thoughts. And then, based on our experience together, I would make my judgement about his escorting skills. Those who rush to cast him out of the market, may be wrong.

 

Guys....it ain't that serious. Not sure how such a simple topic turns everyone into monsters. Hopefully people can see past the little things and focus on the real deal. Like I said, I'm not hurting or phased by the words, but I'd rather remain on daddy's good side than to get coerced into something stupid over something so trivial. I'll cut my losses and move on to bigger and better things. Like rendezvous with clients, taking care of my pets, and focusing on the needs of family and friends.

 

I'm happy if that's the only good thing to come out of it Because after all...

 

http://www.ovenbakedtradition.com/wp-content/uploads/communaute-fr/2011/08/Intimidation.png

 

A bully and his enabler go into a bar...

[jjkrkwood]

A bully and his enabler go into a bar...

 

 

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[EZEtoGRU]

Look on the bright side. Nobody stole your lube.

LMFAO

 

The OP's history on here is well-known and well-documented......over many years. Newer posters are not aware (how could they be) of the hell we have all been dragged through with the endless "oh poor me" victim threads the OP has started. Sadly, he is the consummate victim. I don't have the time nor interest in digging up all the threads but a quick summary would be:

 

1. The time he complained he was denied entry into Canada once he advised the officials at the border he was entering the country to work as a prostitute (without having a Canada work permit)

 

2. The time he was involved in a shooting at an Atlanta Club and/or his car was broken into at said club yet he bristled at the suggestion he was hanging out with the wrong crowd.

 

3. Endless Roommate complaints.

 

4. Endless complains about the city he is/was living in at the time. He's moved more times than a gymnast on the parallel bars.

 

5. And yes the story about a client that "stole" his pricey lube after a session. This was a multiple page victim thread. Of course, the "thieving" client eventually returned the lube as it was a complete mistake.

 

Anyone else remember other threads/topics I didn't cover here? There are many.

[Nvr2Thick]

Before I go...( but don't wake me up Before you go, go) i do appreciate your views towards jjkirkwood earlier and it all seems spot on. But I'll answer the above in one quick slice: I'll explain why texts at 6 am tend to be problematic.

 

1) those types would usually contact me after 5 pm anyway. Think: rush hour, rushing to work, and + all the things you already mentioned. No time to contact an escort

 

2) Sounds like a meth/coke fueled mission. Bad advice. Does an escort really want to be a last resort to someone who's been up ALL night browsing for free sex until 6 am? I mean yeah maybe at a bathhouse that's acceptable. But don't bet on being paid for it. However, I've had that in Dallas before. But...the client contacted me way earlier that afternoon. He went radio silent, but his ad was up on Adam all the while. He finally calls me at 4:30 am as I'm heading out. Fortunately i was already in the car so it didn't bother me to turn back around...but he was 20 miles across town. Fortunately I stayed over but still...all those hours of being put on hold. I could of fucked him 2-3 times. By the time he invited me over he was dozing off.

 

3) Not sure where you're coming from...but I'm pretty confident he can work up the courage at 20 other hours besides 4, 5, 6, 7 am.

 

1) One of my primary points is that I don't think it's a universal expectation that texts should be sent sometime later in the day. I personally wouldn't think twice about sending or receiving a 6AM text. I have friends leading diverse lives, and none of them would consider a 6AM text as being impolite. One exception - I have one friend who starts work at 5PM and works shifts ranging 6-12 hours. I'd think twice about texting him before 11AM, and he may respond immediately or hours later. I can think of three escorts I've known pretty well who probably wouldn't blink at a 6AM text. Two are morning gymrats, and one has a 8:30 AM day job. I would have been more likely to assume you were a morning gymrat than a late sleeper because most well-built guys I know are up early seven days a week; my first contact with you would probably have ended up being 6-7:30AM, especially if I didn't read your ad carefully or met you through your A4A ad. Anyway, many of us live lives where we get a lot of communication done before we get in our cars or before the work day starts. We may lack the perspective of people whose schedules are different or more flexible than our own.

 

2) Like it or not, escorts often are "last resort" for many of their clients. Whether the guy in scenario 2 is a good client for you is your call. I've been there though. I can remember times when I'd cruise AOL chatrooms all night, possibly after some time at the bars, and then call around for escorts 2-5AM. Most calls went to voice mail, but I might find an escort who keeps odd hours or posts 24/7 in his ad and means it. It was definitely a "mission" for me as you've noted, but there wasn't even much alcohol involved let alone drugs. I have fond memories of a guy I called in Miami probably after 3AM who I obviously woke up. I tried to apologize, but he quickly adapted and jumped in the shower while I made my way to his place. He fit me in for a nice two hour session and a good tip and had time for a short nap before his day job (retail). He also would have made an appointment for later in the evening. My take on escorts was that they often keep different schedules and have different expectations for scheduling. I'm cool with the guys who ignore their phones when they aren't taking calls from clients, and the guys who are ready to at least talk to a potential client pretty much any time.

 

3) This is where I'm coming from: In my early days of hiring I'd get obsessed with whether I was going to go through with contacting an escort. I might scan the ads for weeks, and while I was at work I'd think about the guys I'd want to call. I'd go home in the evening and pick through all the ads again, usually setting aside the classifieds and going to bed. When I'd finally decide to go for it, it didn't matter when it was; I was ready. The client's perspective might not be, "what is the proper way to engage communication with an escort?" It may be, "OK, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, Oh boy, I'm calling him, I'm calling him, I'm calling him." The escort who answered his phone on 7:30AM on a Sunday and was fucking me by 10AM, or who set an appointment for 7PM was my hero. Again, you may not like the idea of a client fixating on an escort encounter in this manner but it's very real. It's probably even more true now that you're living in the buckle of the bible belt.

 

A while ago you expressed concern because of clients who wanted to e-mail or send messages rather than call you. At the same time a New York escort adamantly stated that he insists on e-mail screening before he ever gives out his phone number. Consider the clients' points of view. My point is that escorts have varied expectations. If a client has successfully engaged with escorts via 6AM text they'd have no idea that contacting you in this manner is wrong. Likewise, if clients live their lives sending and receiving texts with family, work, and buddies 5:30-9:00AM they'd have no idea that it's out of bounds for you.

[MikeBiDude]

BTW...what happened to the clock?

Hmmmm??? Good question...

[Mocha]

[Mocha]

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[DR FREUD]

PLEASE RETIRE since you can't be positive about any single aspect of the biz.