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[+ ArVaGuy]

You forgot the original incarnation RianB (circa Jan 2009). So it's been almost 8 years of the same old complaints. BTW, Mocha is the third incarnation, not the fourth (Jamal).

 

Ah RianB, missed that one. There have been so many it's hard to keep track.

[slightly]

I don't understand why everyone is trying to rationalize with an IRRATIONAL person ? No matter what you will say to Mocha, it will be dismissed. Bottom line: EVERY / ANY job comes with its pros and cons. To be successful, you need to be open and able to deal with them. As we have clearly seen here, Mocha's YEARS of complaining about these things hasn't resolved anything for him. But I suppose if we are open to listen to him complain, HE WILL COMPLAIN......

I really don't know what is going down with the older members and Mocha, but in my line of work (for which I am taking a little break from), I feel it is important to keep trying to engage people that may seem constantly irrational as it is the little things like trying to help someone could make pathways into their own reasoning and start to have a different outlook on situations. Sometimes honey works, sometimes direct yet non-aggressive communication work, but it's a slow process....passive aggressive communication only serves to agitate, and non communication enforces isolation.

 

Call me an idealist

[Nvr2Thick]

I don't understand why everyone is trying to rationalize with an IRRATIONAL person ? No matter what you will say to Mocha, it will be dismissed. Bottom line: EVERY / ANY job comes with its pros and cons. To be successful, you need to be open and able to deal with them. As we have clearly seen here, Mocha's YEARS of complaining about these things hasn't resolved anything for him. But I suppose if we are open to listen to him complain, HE WILL COMPLAIN......

 

Try to have some respect for the diversity of opinion in a discussion group. Everyone's welcome to offer his or her opinion. Trying to align the discussion to your opinion, however, has its own roots in irrational behavior as well.

[MikeBiDude]

Try to have some respect for the diversity of opinion in a discussion group. Everyone's welcome to offer his or her opinion. Trying to align the discussion to your opinion, however, has its own roots in irrational behavior as well.

And Mocha's replaying a broken record over and over again could be considered irrational

[jjkrkwood]

Try to have some respect for the diversity of opinion in a discussion group. Everyone's welcome to offer his or her opinion. Trying to align the discussion to your opinion, however, has its own roots in irrational behavior as well.

 

N2T, I wasn't questioning your right to an opinion, I was only saying I didn't understand YOURS and others obsession with trying to mentor a person who clearly does not want your mentoring. Knock yourself out buddy, but you'll have as much luck "enlightening the OP" as you would talking to a rag doll. (probably better luck with the rag doll).... The guys an escort, yet hates his job and despises his clients, so I don't see what all your blabbering is about ? After years of listening to the same old shit, there's really nothing more to say about this.

 

Wake up and smell the flowers.....

 

http://66.media.tumblr.com/fe7ec1f5e05c346bd61b624e3159d93f/tumblr_odutvtx5451rfugopo1_540.jpg

[Nvr2Thick]

I don't understand why everyone is trying to rationalize with an IRRATIONAL person ?

Try to have some respect for the diversity of opinion in a discussion group. Everyone's welcome to offer his or her opinion. Trying to align the discussion to your opinion, however, has its own roots in irrational behavior as well.

And Mocha's replaying a broken record over and over again could be considered irrational

Thanks. You've identified the reason why I chose the words "as well" in my response to JJK.

 

N2T, I wasn't questioning your right to an opinion, I was only saying I didn't understand YOURS and others obsession with trying to mentor a person who clearly does not want your mentoring.

 

I never said you were questioning my right to an opinion. What I said was that you show no respect for the diversity of thought. As so frequently happens when you join (or create) an argumentative thread, you want to make sure your opinion is the dominant opinion. Note the tactics highlighted above. Use of this kind of hyperbole is one of the classic methods used in generating a straw man argument; you intentionally mischaracterize people offering advice -- it's everyone, and it's an obsession. It isn't enough for you to have an opinion; you feel a need to squelch others.

 

I'm accustomed to the OP's personas and complaints. I've gone down the path of being snide and adversarial. As you well know, these types of responses are far more self-serving than they are helpful to the OP or the group. Providing a response that's intended to be helpful costs me little and will either help the OP or be neutral. Using my response to bully the OP a little more, regardless of your purported motives, seems awfully petty.

[jjkrkwood]

Thanks. You've identified the reason why I chose the words "as well" in my response to JJK.

 

 

 

I never said you were questioning my right to an opinion. What I said was that you show no respect for the diversity of thought. As so frequently happens when you join (or create) an argumentative thread, you want to make sure your opinion is the dominant opinion. Note the tactics highlighted above. Use of this kind of hyperbole is one of the classic methods used in generating a straw man argument; you intentionally mischaracterize people offering advice -- it's everyone, and it's an obsession. It isn't enough for you to have an opinion; you feel a need to squelch others.

 

I'm accustomed to the OP's personas and complaints. I've gone down the path of being snide and adversarial. As you well know, these types of responses are far more self-serving than they are helpful to the OP or the group. Providing a response that's intended to be helpful costs me little and will either help the OP or be neutral. Using my response to bully the OP a little more, regardless of your purported motives, seems awfully petty.

 

N2T, I hope you have your traveling couch with you while you try to analyze me ?. Mocha himself has caused whatever negative responses he is getting from me and others. Sometimes tough love is more effective than ass kissing, and your attempt here to preserve your own image as being nice, kind and nurturing is only doing Mocha a disservice. It is not helping him see that he is his own worst problem, but allowing him to believe his constant complaining and dissatisfaction with what he has chosen to do for work is normal, OK, and not affecting his livelihood in any way. If you truly believe that, its irresponsible of you. Some people complain just to complain. I believe Mochas has reason to complain but his reasons are clearly self-made. And you talk about squelching others opinions. Isnt that exactly what you are trying to do with me, with your overly clinical analysis of MY behavior. ? "People in Glass Houses.....my dear"

[Nvr2Thick]

N2T, I hope you have your traveling couch with you while you try to analyze me ?. Mocha himself has caused whatever negative responses he is getting from me and others. Sometimes tough love is more effective than ass kissing, and your attempt here to preserve your own image as being nice, kind and nurturing is only doing Mocha a disservice. It is not helping him see that he is his own worst problem, but allowing him to believe his constant complaining and dissatisfaction with what he has chosen to do for work is normal, OK, and not affecting his livelihood in any way. If you truly believe that, its irresponsible of you. Some people complain just to complain. I believe Mochas has reason to complain but his reasons are clearly self-made. And you talk about squelching others opinions. Isnt that exactly what you are trying to do with me, with your overly clinical analysis of MY behavior. ? "People in Glass Houses.....my dear"

 

Call it what you will JJK, but I've supported my so-called analysis well by noting the tactics you've used to try to discredit my input. There's no ass-kissing in what I've done; that's just another straw man coming from you. I have no image to preserve on this forum; that's just more bullshit you've made up. I'm not allowing him to believe what he's doing is normal; I'm merely offering my take on the clients' perspective within the context of everyone else's input. And finally, no, I have not squelched your opinion. Yours and others opinions that the OP should stop complaining stand. If you're paying attention, I criticized your desire to denigrate my position.

[jjkrkwood]

Call it what you will JJK, but I've supported my so-called analysis well by noting the tactics you've used to try to discredit my input. There's no ass-kissing in what I've done; that's just another straw man coming from you. I have no image to preserve on this forum; that's just more bullshit you've made up. I'm not allowing him to believe what he's doing is normal; I'm merely offering my take on the clients' perspective within the context of everyone else's input. And finally, no, I have not squelched your opinion. Yours and others opinions that the OP should stop complaining stand. If you're paying attention, I criticized your desire to denigrate my position.

 

and LIKEWISE...... all you've provided is typical textbook bullshit, without considering the actual person, his problems or his needs. You want to grandstand and show you are book smart, the resident psychologist. which is a job usually left to Juan Vancouver, but you've eliminated any human element. You can give all the lip-service you want, and spin it in any direction, but if you want to help Mocha....HIRE HIM (once you complete your thickness check)...

[Nvr2Thick]

and LIKEWISE...... all you've provided is typical textbook bullshit, without considering the actual person, his problems or his needs. You want to grandstand and show you are book smart, the resident psychologist. which is a job usually left to Juan Vancouver, but you've eliminated any human element. You can give all the lip-service you want, and spin it in any direction, but if you want to help Mocha....HIRE HIM (once you complete your thickness check)...

 

LOL. Got it. I'm the one grandstanding, and then you go on to suggest that you're some sort of hero for considering the OP as a person and addressing his problems and needs, but then someone else is the psychologist.

 

I'll leave the spinning to you dearie.

 

[marylander1940]

3 clients on Saturday. Sounds great right? Well 2 texted me at 6 am. 6 am, on a Saturday morning. One cancelled, the other flaked. 1 had conversed the night before, and I specifically told him the time frame I'd be in touch. Why he texts me at 6 am to ask what time I'd want to meet? The other contacts me after midnight. On a Saturday. I'm sitting here just not wanting to see the person because it's too late. Even if it wasn't too late, I'd be at a nightclub with friends or dancing like normal people do

 

I'm sure everyone here is smart enough to know better, but why people think it's acceptable to contact a man of the EVENING slightly before dawn instead of normal human hours is a really annoying thing.

 

Another negative post. Mocha, why are you in the business? You seem contemptuous of your clients.

 

I'm sure you @Mocha have good days too or you wouldn't be escorting.

 

In all professions sometimes when it rains it pours but there are also plenty of sunny days to make it up and show a reason to remain in the business if not companies/businesses close and folks move to do other things.

[marylander1940]

Thanks Hunter. I'd hate for you to get caught in the cross. But I'll stick up for any escort who finds themselves under pressure from the daddy gang bang.

 

Most of these guys are bullies...the friendly kind. Same thing how boys pick on the guys they want to fuck. So I'm really not faded by the remarks. They all want what they can't have. So the way degenerates like jjkirkwood copes, is to denigrate and intimidate.

 

I have a great support group in real life. I don't have a lot of escort friends except JD, but all my non-escort friends support me. They all think I deserve better and most these guys can be assholes.

 

Name calling doesn't make you sound right or look smart.

 

Besides to call someone degenerate in a gay forum, may I remind you for some folks out there we're all degenerates?

[marylander1940]

Hey guys, mocha seems to be just venting. I don't know mocha personally and what support group he has at home. Maybe he needs an online support group that he can vent and talk to. Maybe his choice of words can be more frank than others would use but I totally can see his frustration.

 

Venting should be the exception, but when it becomes the rule of someone's behavior is troublesome.

 

I had bad days too before my retirement but I would keep it to myself and I did "vent" it to some friends/coworkers but not to my parents and others because I knew they had their own issues and I made sure to cheer them up and not worry them with my issues.

[BaronArtz]

Having observed the incessant geschrei of 'Mocha', in his various incarnations, for many years, I am astonished that this person has any clients at ALL.

[jjkrkwood]

Having observed the incessant geschrei of 'Mocha', in his various incarnations, for many years, I am astonished that this person has any clients at ALL.

 

 

Maybe he doesn't, and that's the real crux of his problem ?

[marylander1940]

Having observed the incessant geschrei of 'Mocha', in his various incarnations, for many years, I am astonished that this person has any clients at ALL.

 

He doesn't post a link to his ad as a signature like so many escorts do on here.

[marylander1940]

The Bitch-fest continues.......... get a fucking 9-5 job and then you'll be able to take ALL your complaints to HR......

 

He'd be venting at the HR office over and over again he might cause this reaction next time they see him coming:

 

[MiamiLooker]

"He doesn't post a link to his ad, there are rumors but we don't even know IF Mocha is an escort at all"

Here's the link to his Rentmen ad:

https://rentmen.com/Jamahl_Brandon

It was easy to find. I bet even yinz could find it.

[jjkrkwood]

He'd be venting at the HR office over and over again he might cause this reaction next time they see him coming:

 

 

 

Depends on how much cleavage he'd be showing.......

[marylander1940]

"He doesn't post a link to his ad, there are rumors but we don't even know IF Mocha is an escort at all"

Here's the link to his Rentmen ad:

https://rentmen.com/Jamahl_Brandon

It was easy to find. I bet even yinz could find it.

 

Thank you, you're so kind!

 

I meant he doesn't post a link to his ad on every post he makes like all other escort who post on here usually do...

[jjkrkwood]

"He doesn't post a link to his ad, there are rumors but we don't even know IF Mocha is an escort at all"

Here's the link to his Rentmen ad:

https://rentmen.com/Jamahl_Brandon

It was easy to find. I bet even yinz could find it.

 

 

OK, now ya'll yinz just need to HIRE him.....

[Rod Hagen]

Why he texts me at 6 am to ask what time I'd want to meet?

THIS is why in work and life I text only with people I know VERY well. My number, which is 310-360-9890 by the way :-) , does not accept texts. Texting is convenient, but it also makes it VERY easy for people to behave poorly.

[jjkrkwood]

THIS is why in work and life I text only with people I know VERY well. My number, which is 310-360-9890 by the way , does not accept texts. Texting is convenient, but it also makes it VERY easy for people to behave poorly.

 

That's a bit harsh. Some people start their days early, and like to get things out of the way. And while they probably should be considerate of other peoples schedules, they just are oblivious, it doesn't mean they are behaving poorly. They are just living their lives. And if receiving texts at ungodly hours is bothersome, there is probably some way to block them? I say probably because I don't have a cell phone so know nothing about its functionality. On my landline, I mute my messages so my sleep is not disturbed. You always have options, but as I've said before, some people just like to complain, ABOUT EVERYTHING.

[liubit]

And if receiving texts at ungodly hours is bothersome, there is probably some way to block them?.

Of course there is. I always turn off my phone before going to sleep, and turn it on when I wake up. That way, if a text comes in during the night, I see it in the morning at my convenience. I live in Europe, so I do get texts during my sleep from my friends in the US, for example. I respond them in the morning, during THEIR sleep. No problem at all.

[+ José Soplanucas]

I am not sure what is more annoying, Jamahl's whining or the whining about Jamahl. Is is so easy to ignore a post when we don't like it, but we choose to add to the negativity.

I do not like Mocha's whining, I have advised him against it in public and in private. He has ignored my advise, and that is fine with me. When I see one of his whining posts, I just ignore it. It is so easy, specially with the traffic we have in these forums, we have plenty of threads to participate in.

I do not make any judgements about Joey's personality or talent as an escort. I know that our forum character often does not match our real one. I agree that he has not talent marketing his escort skills, but lack of marketing skills does not equal lack of escorting skills. I have noticed several times that he makes caring and appreciative comments about his good clients, amongst all the bitching about the bad ones.

I do not hire for company, so I do not care about the escort's personality, education, ideology, religion, etc., as long as we can sexually connect and have a good fuck. To be honest, Jamahl looks and sounds very promising. I would hire him without second thoughts. And then, based on our experience together, I would make my judgement about his escorting skills. Those who rush to cast him out of the market, may be wrong.