Gaiety dancers vs. other escorts

[Boston Guy]

I seldom read the various posts regarding the Gaiety any more. I used to go to the Gaiety occasionally but decided a while back that it wasn't that much fun and the value to be had there was pretty low, unless what you're really looking for is the show itself.

 

I just read the post regarding the "Gaiety Apartment", where the poster describes a terrible, very unclean apartment the dancer took him to. I'm sorry, but my reaction would have been to walk out the moment I saw it. But that's not the reason for this post, specifically.

 

Instead, I really wonder why anyone goes to the Gaiety, at least in terms of hiring guys? There are lots of good escorts in NYC who will (a) come to your hotel; (b) give full service and lots of attention; © stay for a full hour; and (d) charge no more than what the Gaiety dances are charging for. On the other hand, the Gaiety dancers are usually (a) straight; (b) clock watchers in the extreme; © relatively unresponsive and non-reciprocative; (d) unwilling to go to any place more than a block or two away from the Gaiety, since they want to be back at the theater at the first possible moment.

 

To me, the show at the Gaiety isn't of much interest. It's too slow and, frankly, often boring, from my perspective. On those occasions when I went there, it was to find someone to hook up with. So I simply don't go anymore, because the value offered at the Gaiety in terms of what I want -- a hot session with a willing guy -- is just too low.

 

But some guys go back again and again and again. They must be getting something out of it, because they must also know that there are hundreds of good gay escorts all over NYC who are available for the same kind of money they're spending at the Gaiety. So there has to be some reason why they're willing to almost throw money away at Gaiety guys for almost nothing in return instead of spending the same money for a quality escort.

 

Anyone have any ideas?

 

BG

[+ Lucky]

Isn't it just a case of different strokes for different folks? The Gaiety provides entertainment, plus you get to see the dancer up close and personal before you hire. You get to watch him move and determine how sexy he is or how attracted you are. For many of us, seeing someone parade his goods in a sexy way turns us on. Then we want those goods. So we put up with the disadvantages that are then presented. Also, it is kind of challenging to determine just what you are going t get when the package is on the bed. Some dancers do more than others. What will he do for me?

 

Now for the big however. I pretty much gave up on hiring G dancers for the reasons BG states above. The attractions I list here were just not enough for me to spend that kind of money.

 

But s long as we are asking why some folks like what they like, I wonder what the attraction is of a youngish-looking boy with long hair and enough make-up to look like a girl. Why would an older man feel comfortable with such a guy? Why not just go for a girl?

[Boston Guy]

>Isn't it just a case of different strokes for different

>folks?

 

Yes, you're absolutely right. Since the guys who hire dancers from the G are intelligent and since I see so little value given for a very high price -- probably twice the price of a regular NYC escort, on average, if you think about how little time you get with the dancers -- I'm just wondering what the attraction is that keeps them from getting more for their money from a regular escort.

 

>But s long as we are asking why some folks like what they

>like, I wonder what the attraction is of a youngish-looking

>boy with long hair and enough make-up to look like a girl. Why

>would an older man feel comfortable with such a guy? Why not

>just go for a girl?

 

Well, that would be my take as well... but spoken from the perspective on someone who likes his guys to be masculine. :-)

 

BG

[Paul Revere]

BG;

 

Good questions. I was a reguar Gaiety attendee a few years ago, but I only get to New York two or three times a year now. I don't hire from the Gaiety much anymore because I'm not there, I have cut back on recreational spending, and quite frankly, after a while, the excitement just fades.

 

However, in the old days (a few years ago), I had great success and fun at the Gaiety. The biggest advantage is that you get to see the dancers up close, and you get to talk to them before you engage them for services. I was generally quite good at shopping, and I knew how to maximize the time. I usually was staying at a nearby hotel, and if I had a room, I always insisted on hosting. That way I was the "home team" and I could be assured of the cleanliness of the environment. I also knew that there would be no conflict with the dancer's roommmate.

 

I found some great dancers, who provided great service, and then I would become a regular customer for them. Repeat business is great for both the dancer and the client, as you can become more comfortable with each other and more relaxed over time. I got to know many dancers, and even had the opportunity to spend "off the clock" time with many of them.

 

Hiring from ads, even using the Hooboy research data, is still hit and miss. I find the chemistry thing is very important to me, and I need to meet someone before I commit to hire him.

 

Way, way back in the day, when I hired in Boston, it was always a dancer who I had met and talked to previously. The dancers at The Paradise were more available and more cooperative back them.

 

I have to shop at the store and see and touch the material, rather than ordering out of a catalogue. My Gaiety experineces were generally very good. Over six or seven years as a regular client, I had mostly good sessions, many exceptional, some dissapointing, and I only felt like I actually got ripped off once. I would not not get ripped off again, as I am now more experienced.

 

I also do the same kind of shopping in Montreal. And in Montreal you can get a lap dance or two as a sort of test drive. Again you need to be a smart shopper, as sometimes a dancer is different in the hotel than in the club. It is a great experience to open the door and usher them out when they demand to be paid up front (that is a NEVER). Smart shopping and good radar will lead to good experiences.

[marc anthony]

>

>But s long as we are asking why some folks like what they

>like, I wonder what the attraction is of a youngish-looking

>boy with long hair and enough make-up to look like a girl. Why

>would an older man feel comfortable with such a guy? Why not

>just go for a girl?

 

Because the boy will have a hard dick when you have your dick in his ass?

 

I know, I know... I am crude (but realistic)

 

:7

[Cooper]

"Anyone have any ideas?" BG

 

The majority of patrons who attend the Gaiety do not see the show to do a "private" with a dancer. Instead, they sit back and enjoy the entertainment provided by the hottest male strippers that NYC has to offer. Frankly, there isn't any other place like it in NYC.

 

As for those patrons who participate in the private shows, I don't know of anyone who exclusively uses Gaiety dancers. NYC has too many escorts to choose from to be limited to just the Gaiety.

 

What the Gaiety provides is a quick and easy way to hook up with a dancer of your choosing. Their stage show can entice you back into the lounge to discuss plans of hooking up. Usually, the dancer is available immediately after his show. What goes on between you and a dancer is discussed before leaving the theatre. If that dancer doesn't provide the services you are looking for simply pass and go back to enjoying the show.

 

I've done my fair share of Gaiety privates and don't feel like I'm "throwing my money away". I know which dancers are my type and usually leave my private shows satisfied. I avoid seeing dancers who have the reputation of being "limited" or "rip-offs". You can learn about the dancers by reading the weekly Gaiety thread. Many visitors to NYC often seek my opinions on the dancers, if the information I've gained over the years can help make their experience better then great. Some board members have contacted me and asked if they can join me in watching a show, I have no problems with that and have steered many in the right direction to happiness. :-)

 

The plus of going with a Gaiety dancer is that you see the entire package and can speak directly to the dancer before leaving with him. The fact that he has a room available is another plus... Rentboy escorts provide a picture, some are headless, some aren't recent or show what he really looks like. E-mails or phone calls (if returned) are necessary to find out whether or not he's into the things you are looking for. Finally, appointments are set up and sometimes broken at the last minute, leaving you very disappointed.

 

These are just a few of my "ideas" on why some men prefer the Gaiety dancers.

[jaynnj]

Hi Men, in case some of you do Not know I have a Yahoo

group dedicated to the Gaiety called GAIETY NYC it has free

pics plus members of the group ask questions about there favorite

dancers you can find it at http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/gaietynyc

 

I also have a new group on the Gaiety called GAIETY MEN this board is just for posting pics only and it at http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/gaietymen

 

This free group is all about gaiety dancer COLT star Dave Angelo

 

http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/daveexoticentertainer

 

For info on Montreals Gay village check out my group on MTL

 

http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/gayvillagemontreal

 

PS THANKS COOPER FOR THE GREAT JOB YOU DO ON HERE.

[foxy]

Posts that bash the Gaiety and the dancers always amuse me. You'd think there was male strip theater on every corner of every damn town in this country and the only crumby one was the Gaiety. Well wake up people.....there isn't!!!!

So paying $17 or $20 to see 7 or more gorgeous guys dance naked with hard-ons is boring? Are you even gay??????

 

Anyone who has ever tried to find a front row seat at the G on a Friday or Saturday night will be very happy to know there are people who don't like the place and will stay away. The Gaiety doesn't need you! It's already too crowded with happy customers. I implore as many people as possible to stay away from the Gaiety. It's a terrible place and all the dancers are rip-off artists!!!! Now I can have it all to myself...I wish.

[Like2Hire]

I'm getting ready to make my first gay recreational visit to NYC. Living in Chicago, where I've had good luck picking up dancers at clubs like Madrigals, Lucky Horseshoe, Man's Country and, in the day, Bijou, I'm wondering if there's anything like that in the Big Apple. I like hiring dancers for all the positive reasons stated in this thread. You can get a sense of how hot they look and how they respond to touch. I can honestly say that Chicago dancers who have "put out" while they dance or we chat, always put out in the sack. I gather that the Gaiety is not the place. Are there any others??

[Cooper]

"I gather that the Gaiety is not the place. Are there any others??"

 

After reading all the fine testimonials given by people who actually frequent the Gaiety, I don't know why you would think that the Gaiety isn't the place for making a hook up? Go over to the Strip Club Forum and read all the positive things people are saying about the Gaiety.

 

As for other places to find boys, try LaFleur's (355W. 41st St.) or Buddies (47th St. between Broadway and 8th). Action at these clubs starts late (midnight). Once you've gone to all 3, let me know which one has the best choices.

 

I've been to Chicago and have seen the shows at Madrigals, no way can you compare them with what you'll see at Gaiety. It's much better and more like a "lock-down" party with full nudity. Btw, is it still $40 for a 5 minute lap dance?

 

Foxy, excellent reply to this type of thread.

 

Jay, thanks for noticing and I also appreciate all your hard work.

[Like2Hire]

I'm glad for the more encouraging news about the Gaiety. When they get nude, do they get hard and let your hands wander? Lockdowns at Madrigals and Jackhammer in Chicago are like that. I've even sucked off and almost-fucked dancers at these! Privates at Mads depends of the dancer. Some want 50 and some are satisfied with 20. Better is taking one home with you!

 

I'll check out those other places when I'm in NYC. Are they all nearby? Any reasonable (=cheap) hotels in the area?

[Boston Guy]

>Posts that bash the Gaiety and the dancers always amuse me.

>You'd think there was male strip theater on every corner of

>every damn town in this country and the only crumby one was

>the Gaiety. Well wake up people.....there isn't!!!!

>So paying $17 or $20 to see 7 or more gorgeous guys dance

>naked with hard-ons is boring? Are you even gay??????

>

 

Yep, and happily so. But, yes, I tend to find the shows at the G boring. The guys are not professional entertainers and the shows don't offer much more than a naked guy strutting, with what seem like long-ish breaks with no action on stage. I find it all boring after the first 10 minutes or so. But, then, I find porn boring, too. I guess I like my naked guys up close and personal, not on a stage and not on a screen. As Lucky said, above, "different strokes for different folks."

 

BG

[Sparky]

I've been to both the Gaiety and Madrigal's many times and here's my take:

While a bar like Madrigal's can definitely have a more upbeat atmosphere and be more of a place to socialize, if your intent is to see naked men dance then the Gaiety is the only place to go. Where else in the US can you pay a modest admission fee and see up to 12 dancers in the buff strutting their stuff with (hopefully) hard ons? Although touching is not allowed you can get a VERY up close look for a tip of a buck or two. Plus, it's a safe bet that if a dancer is working at the Gaiety then he is available for a private show, unlike other bars where only a select few do outside privates. This is just my opinion and everyone has a different view to what makes a fun night out, but for my money the Gaiety can't be beat.

[Boston Guy]

>The majority of patrons who attend the Gaiety do not see the

>show to do a "private" with a dancer. Instead, they sit back

>and enjoy the entertainment provided by the hottest male

>strippers that NYC has to offer. Frankly, there isn't any

>other place like it in NYC.

>

 

Well, then, that's the answer, I guess. Since I don't personally find the shows very interesting, I assumed that most people were going with the idea of hiring one of the dancers. And since I see that as not being a very good value compared to what's available in Manhattan on the escort market, I wondered why people would choose to go to the Gaiety.

 

If you truly do enjoy the shows, then that's sufficient reason to go all by itself.

 

>What the Gaiety provides is a quick and easy way to hook up

>with a dancer of your choosing. Their stage show can entice

>you back into the lounge to discuss plans of hooking up.

>Usually, the dancer is available immediately after his show.

>What goes on between you and a dancer is discussed before

>leaving the theatre. If that dancer doesn't provide the

>services you are looking for simply pass and go back to

>enjoying the show.

>

 

Yes, I understand. But we both know that many people end up being dissatisfied with what they end up getting from various Gaiety dancers. There have been many posts here over the years expressing frustration with the cost of hiring someone at the Gaiety, the lack of responsiveness, cleanliness of their hotel rooms/apartments, etc. To me, the fact that you can chat with a dancer ahead of time or see him naked does not begin to make up for a poorer, shorter escort experience compared to what a full-service escort would probably provide for the same price. Once again, different strokes...

 

 

>I've done my fair share of Gaiety privates and don't feel like

>I'm "throwing my money away". I know which dancers are my type

>and usually leave my private shows satisfied. I avoid seeing

>dancers who have the reputation of being "limited" or

>"rip-offs". You can learn about the dancers by reading the

>weekly Gaiety thread. Many visitors to NYC often seek my

>opinions on the dancers, if the information I've gained over

>the years can help make their experience better then great.

>Some board members have contacted me and asked if they can

>join me in watching a show, I have no problems with that and

>have steered many in the right direction to happiness. :-)

>

 

Yes, I'm aware of what you've done and you are to be commended for sharing your experience with others.

 

>The plus of going with a Gaiety dancer is that you see the

>entire package and can speak directly to the dancer before

>leaving with him. The fact that he has a room available is

>another plus... Rentboy escorts provide a picture, some are

>headless, some aren't recent or show what he really looks

>like. E-mails or phone calls (if returned) are necessary to

>find out whether or not he's into the things you are looking

>for. Finally, appointments are set up and sometimes broken at

>the last minute, leaving you very disappointed.

>

 

All true. But, on average, I think you'll tend to get more -- more time, more service, more attention to your own needs, etc. -- from an escort than will be true from a Gaiety dancer. And, when I find an escort in NYC I like, I will tend to hire him more than once. So, after the first time, questions of contact, looks, etc. go out the window and it's just an easy hire of someone that you know you like and will get good service from.

 

Having said all that, I'm truly not criticizing people for hiring Gaiety dancers. I'm glad some people do, because I like the idea that the Gaiety exists. It's like a slice of the old Times Square before NYC cleaned the place up.

 

BG

[ted]

The shows at the Gaeity -the guys do two songs-the first song they come out and dance around, and remove some if not most of their clothing. The dancer goes backstage and the song repeats and then the dancer reappears totally nude and usually hard to different music. But they never leave the stage and touching of the dancers by the audience members is not allowed. There is a area off to the left of the theatre where they come out after their numbers and chat and hookup, but nothing actually happens at the Gaiety - thank Rudy G for the rules.

That being said most of the other comments above are right on. I go -not as often as I used to too - for the eye candy. Say what you will, most weeks Denise has put together some really hot muscular well endowed guys. There are a few guys who really put on a show or are really good dancers-Ben and Gio - but most are just displaying those worked out gym bods for all to admire.

[mercury40]

RE: Boring Boston Guy.

 

Perhaps BORING Boston Guy should ask himself these questions:

 

Why I find strip clubs BORING?

 

Why I find watching naked men dancing BORING?

 

Why I find looking at rock hard cocks BORING?

 

Why I find porn BORING?

 

Why I find this message center BORING?

 

Why I find hiring out of strip clubs BORING?

 

Why I find my holiday vacation BORING?

 

Why I find my life BORING?

 

Why I have nothing better to do today than spend my time writing BORING messages?

 

Why I find today's weather BORING?

 

Frankly, my dear Guy, I find you BORING!

 

NOW GO AND HIRE AN ESCORT SO YOU CAN WRITE A REVIEW ON WHAT A REALLY BORING TIME I HAD. :-)

[Boston Guy]

RE: Boring Boston Guy.

 

LOL... boy, you really elevated the discussion, didn't you?

 

For the record, I find few of the things you mention boring. I seldom find the Message Center boring, except for the odd posts like yours that seek to be amusing at another's expense. Nor do I find all strip clubs boring: the clubs in Montreal are, to me, much more interesting and much more fun. There's more to do, more energy, more guys, more patrons, more life, more of everything.

 

Actually, I'm seldom bored. Except, of course, by sophomoric posts like yours.

 

But, if sitting in a tired old theater with mostly silent old guys watching bored straight guys come out and walk around on a stage with hard-ons is your idea of great time, more power to you.

 

BG

[Guest Fisher]

I’ve been going to the Gaiety on a fairly regular basis since 1995.

 

The Gaiety show is what it is. If you want to see excitement and dance spectacular, there are many shows on Broadway to choose from. If you want to see hard, naked dick, the Gaiety is the only real choice in town. No where else in NYC (or most other places in the US) can you take a late lunch and have a buff 22-year old wave his dick in your face. Most of the other places in NYC that have dancers, have a much smaller group, don’t go fully nude, and don’t get started until very late. While the Gaiety lineup is usually lacking in Asian and African dancers, fans of twinks, jocks, bodybuilders, and Latinos usually can find someone to oogle over. Not every weekly lineup is a winner, but I’m sure it’s pretty hard to put together a winning lineup 52 weeks a year – year in year out. Thank you Denise for your hard work.

 

The quality of private shows depends upon how/what the patron communicates with the dancer, and if he thinks/acts with his big head instead of his little head. What I like about the guys at the Gaiety is that you can see them up close, talk to them, watch their mannerisms, smell them. That is something you cannot get looking at rentboy.

 

If you look on rentboy, you can find many, many escorts in NYC charging $200 for a full hour for full service. If a dancer wants to charge you $250 for a half an hour for rather limited activities - that is not a rip off – that is what he is selling, negotiate, or if you don’t want it, don’t buy it– again think with your big head, not your little head.

 

While I occasionally hire from the Gaiety, it is not exclusively, and I know what I am getting. My three most favorite guys from the Gaiety (unfortunately none of them dancing at the Gaiety any more) are Frederic of Montreal, Kenny of RI/DC/Fla, and Columbia grad student Anthony of NJ. They were all fun guys and worth it.

 

Regarding the apartment, while it has been several years since I went with a guy who used an apartment in the area (there actually were two apartments), they both seemed to be your typical, tiny, manhattan, converted brownstone apts. Don’t know if either of them are currently being used. The hotel rooms the dancers have taken me too range from the Marriot to the St James.

 

I guess the bottom line is to each is own.

 

- Fisher :7

[+ deej]

Different strokes. And there's no predicting it.

 

As has been pointed out, male strip clubs aren't exactly on every corner so some will go there for the novelty. Some genuinely enjoy the show.

 

Who can explain why some men like hairy daddy types and others like smooth twinks? Some people (me!) prefer handling banking through the mail or at ATM's while others insist on visiting a teller. I drive a Ford Focus and my roommate drives a Dodge pickup. Different strokes.

 

I fully understand being "over" it. I've lived with pornstars. After a while, nudity gets old no matter how gorgeous he is. ;-) I get review copies of porn videos. Probably got 2 dozen of 'em sitting here unopened because I just needed a break. I'd had *enough*.

 

But I'll break those wrappers one day, and I'll be back in a strip club some day. It's still a pretty unique experience that isn't available everywhere.

 

If we weren't so diverse we'd be a pretty boring lot, eh? ;-)

 

As for hiring from a strip club ... well ... while you're there and all, it's such a shame to waste the trip! }(

[Boston Guy]

Nicely put.

 

When I started this thread, I wondered why guys hire from the Gaiety when you can get more (from my point of view) from easily-accessible escorts. Your post, and others above, make it clear that many do enjoy the show and go expressly for that. And, as Deej has so eloquently stated in the next post, once you're there... :-)

 

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to respond. If this thread has pointed out anything, it's that while all seem to have an interest in younger guys and escorts, we're still very diverse and approach escorts from many points of view. Once again, different strokes for different folks.

 

Thanks again,

BG

[Boston Guy]

>

>As for hiring from a strip club ... well ... while you're

>there and all, it's such a shame to waste the trip! }(

>

 

:-)

 

BG

[OneFinger]

My first trip to the Gaiety was in the late 70's or early 80's. I still remember the excitement and thrill of having sex with the dancers backstage.

 

During my last NYC trip in December I hired a wonderful escort (reviewed on this site) for my first night. It was a great and memorable time. But, while visiting the Gaiety the next night, I hooked with a dancer from Switzerland that was every bit as good and fun as the "professional" escort. In fact I ended up hiring the same dancer the next night and it was just as good the second time around.

 

It should be noted that the dancer came to my hotel room after the Gaiety closed and this wasn't just a "quickie" in some sleazy room.

 

For me there is a "thrill" associated with going to the Gaiety and setting up a private session. I can hire any number of escorts by e-mail or phone. But it's another challenge to compete with a room full of men to get a private with my flavor of the day.

 

Another reason I enjoy the Gaiety and Nob Hill is that there's nothing like them where I live. A strip club is a novelty for me and a chance to experience something I can't have every day.

[+ bigjoey]

i was a regular at the gaiety for many years but have only been once or twice in the last 4 years. what i liked was not just seeing the merchandise and talking to the dancer before hiring but using the "private" to sample the goods before hiring for longer periods of time. before that (and this site), i found hiring from the ads very hit or miss. descriptions and pictures were mostly out of date and not accurate (some escorts have been using the same pictures since regan was president!).

 

i tend to hire for weekends and fly the escorts to my town as there is no local talent. after spending time with a dancer at the gaiety, the sampling of his personality, intelligence, limits, etc. gives me a good idea of what to expect. i see four men regularly and three were "finds" from the gaiety. one man, jon ramsey and i hooked up 9 years ago and the other two who are "retired" i've been seeing for 5 or 6 years. these guys are all top notch and i owe meeting them to the gaiety. i still see two other guys from 10 years ago that i met there but only as friends now and not as escorts. so all in all, it has been a good place for me.

[Cooper]

RE: BG thread

 

"But, if sitting in a tired old theater with mostly silent old

guys watching bored straight guys come out and walk around on

a stage with hard-ons is your idea of great time, more power

to you. BG"

 

BG, you posed a legitimate question asking why people hire dancers from the Gaiety and you received several good replies. However, from the above statement you made, you showed that you really weren't interested in what anyone had to say. Why didn't you state these feelings in your original thread instead of asking for any "views"? I'm certain many of us "old guys" would have remained "silent" if we knew your intent was just posting for the sake of posting.

[Boston Guy]

RE: BG thread

 

>BG, you posed a legitimate question asking why people hire

>dancers from the Gaiety and you received several good replies.

>However, from the above statement you made, you showed that

>you really weren't interested in what anyone had to say. Why

>didn't you state these feelings in your original thread

>instead of asking for any "views"? I'm certain many of us "old

>guys" would have remained "silent" if we knew your intent was

>just posting for the sake of posting.

 

Cooper:

 

It's incorrect to state that I wasn't interested in what people had to say and I agree there were several (many?) good replies. Many had good, valid points to make, as I expected would be the case. As I stated near the top of the thread, people I think of as intelligent guys regularly go to the Gaiety. I respect them and their choice and was interested in exploring the attraction they found. In particular, the thread today referring to the dirty apartment made me curious once again why people hire Gaiety dancers. That was the impetus for this thread.

 

However, you're right in criticizing the statement of mine that you quoted. It was snide and I shouldn't have written it. I was simply annoyed that the prior poster had chosen to turn the discussion into an ad hominem attack. His post was a type of bait and I took it. I should have known better and I shouldn't have posted what I did.

 

Thanks for calling me on it.

 

BG