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KH you are killing me. First the hot dude in full leather showing up unexpectedly to my room vision then the whole pizza delivery boy thing (why have I never had a hot pizza boy deliver my pizza lol ). Whatever you do don't say you have a pickup truck (long story) :)

All kidding aside great post. It is like you said it should be what one is comfortable with and what works for them, Thanks

LOL, I used to have a pick-up truck but not at the moment, however a new one is probably in my near future!!

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Truereview Grand Master

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Now honestly bois, is there really any point in arguing this? If Juan feels it makes it safer for him to ask for a room number and name, isn't that his choice to do so? Not saying I agree to disagree, but it isn't hurting anyone, except maybe Juan, as you pointed out Josh, there will be some clients that don't contact him. There will always be clients that don't contact particular escorts for whatever reason. The same goes with you Josh, if you feel its safer for you not give out the info he is looking for that is your free choice, as you said just choose someone else. I think its extremely difficult to look at this as selection bias, it isn't like Juan isn't giving you the opportunity he extends to everyone else, you just aren't comfortable with it, and thats your free will, just like it is his. My point it however at one time, not too long ago, before rentboy and rentmen agencies were the only way to really obtain a good escort, if I recall correctly many of these agencies required full names to provide you the services. Just curious as to how clients handled this during the time of agencies, I also think during the time of agencies there was a lot less going through the minds of both the client and escort as it related to risks and safety. There is always the potential for risk, for both the escort and client. We as individuals do what we feel is best for us to minimize that risk. Is there really an issue with each of us protecting our own selves? I do have a suggestion, Josh give only your first name, and Juan when you call and ask to be connected to the room and you are asked for a last name say " I am delivering Pizza, I am sorry I don't have a last name". I had to use this the other night when a client asked me to call his room when I arrived, I was asked for a last name which I didn't have, and had to think fast, the delivering Pizza got me instantly connected!!!!! Just some food for thought, now who wants pizza delivered!?!

Keith, I'm with you and with Juan on this: escorts have the right to embrace a specific biz model and to have client selection criteria & protocols that best suit their biz model. I also support clients in developing and standing by their own escort selection methods and meeting protocol. Here is the rub: When client and escort selection methods or protocols don't match, most folks believe there is an opportunity for flexibility, for a win-win. Now...hang in there with me....

 

In my humble opinion, what gets potential clients wound-up in the forum is when they hear an escort like Juan assert his deeply held selection criteria/protocols. Juan's posting style is empowered, in control, assertive. I love that about Juan, but in his desire to live his own values and mission, he can come across as inflexible - no win/win. This scares some clients! In his own impeccability, Juan rubs prospects the wrong way. Why? Bc we realize Juan will not ever be a choice for us, and that sucks cuz he is really hot and smart. :) He just comes across so set in his own ways and so closed to win/win, that it pisses prospects off. Even worse...what if other escorts began to be as uncompromising as Juan appears to be. Now, that would really suck!

 

One more thing. Bc of his physical beauty and intellect, I also guess ( speculation) that, in the non-virtual world, Juan is not used to being challenged, and when he is, he feels attacked - directly or indirectly. This often happens to beautiful, smart, and confident people. Their self-awareness is dulled bc most people are just falling all over themselves around them. This is not a criticism of Juan, he is blessed. My point is that sadly in social interaction, beautiful and smart people do have advantages.

 

IMO, what posters like Josh, Sam and others are doing here (and in other threads) is to challenge Juan's posting content, not his character. These posters are not picturing his beauty, they are analyzing his content and tone. Bc Juan is not used to being on the defensive, he feels attacked and compelled to continue defending himself thru long posts. Again, this is my perspective and observations, I'm not saying it is reality.

 

My final two cents: if escorts really believe in good branding, use this forum as a fishing pond. Adopt a posting style and tone that feels right for you. Authentic. Practice it. It will help you here and in the real world. Hell, you may even generate some biz! By the way, I believe Juan is authentic and successful. II admire that about him. He has found his niche, his tone and there ain't anything or anyone who will change it. For those business owners (you escorts) who have yet to find your niche and tone and how it aligns to your brand...get to work, because brand and tone will get you a niche and yield profits.

 

Good luck to all of us!

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Juan's posting style is empowered, in control, assertive. I love that about Juan, but in his desire to live his own values and mission, he can come across as inflexible - no win/win. This scares some clients!

I disagree, or rather I read this differently. As I posted a couple of days ago, all the conversation here gives clients a great prespective on how those escorts who post think and how they manage their businesses. It gives no such clear perspective to escorts as to how clients' minds work. To me, Juan is crystal clear in what he requires and why, and just as clear that he uses whatever information he gathers and as soon as he has the meeting forgets it all. (Or perhaps archives it with the only key to the archive being a subsequent request for another meeting.)

 

Whether I have reservations about providing personal information to an escort under other circumstances, I would have no hesitation in providing Juan the sort of information he requires to confirm an appointment. As is said so often in these forum threads (and has been made clear by the spirited discussion in this one) YMMV.

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Keith, I'm with you and with Juan on this: escorts have the right to embrace a specific biz model and to have client selection criteria & protocols that best suit their biz model. I also support clients in developing and standing by their own escort selection methods and meeting protocol. Here is the rub: When client and escort selection methods or protocols don't match, most folks believe there is an opportunity for flexibility, for a win-win. Now...hang in there with me....

 

In my humble opinion, what gets potential clients wound-up in the forum is when they hear an escort like Juan assert his deeply held selection criteria/protocols. Juan's posting style is empowered, in control, assertive. I love that about Juan, but in his desire to live his own values and mission, he can come across as inflexible - no win/win. This scares some clients! In his own impeccability, Juan rubs prospects the wrong way. Why? Bc we realize Juan will not ever be a choice for us, and that sucks cuz he is really hot and smart. :) He just comes across so set in his own ways and so closed to win/win, that it pisses prospects off. Even worse...what if other escorts began to be as uncompromising as Juan appears to be. Now, that would really suck!

 

One more thing. Bc of his physical beauty and intellect, I also guess ( speculation) that, in the non-virtual world, Juan is not used to being challenged, and when he is, he feels attacked - directly or indirectly. This often happens to beautiful, smart, and confident people. Their self-awareness is dulled bc most people are just falling all over themselves around them. This is not a criticism of Juan, he is blessed. My point is that sadly in social interaction, beautiful and smart people do have advantages.

 

IMO, what posters like Josh, Sam and others are doing here (and in other threads) is to challenge Juan's posting content, not his character. These posters are not picturing his beauty, they are analyzing his content and tone. Bc Juan is not used to being on the defensive, he feels attacked and compelled to continue defending himself thru long posts. Again, this is my perspective and observations, I'm not saying it is reality.

 

My final two cents: if escorts really believe in good branding, use this forum as a fishing pond. Adopt a posting style and tone that feels right for you. Authentic. Practice it. It will help you here and in the real world. Hell, you may even generate some biz! By the way, I believe Juan is authentic and successful. II admire that about him. He has found his niche, his tone and there ain't anything or anyone who will change it. For those business owners (you escorts) who have yet to find your niche and tone and how it aligns to your brand...get to work, because brand and tone will get you a niche and yield profits.

 

Good luck to all of us!

I guess my question is, what is the point in arguing with someone over the same topic that is set in his ways? I am in no way defending anyone, nor am I saying that I agree or disagree. I would imagine Juan is aware that he may lose clients because of this and must be ok with that. For this particular topic and not to get side tracked by one particular escort in a group of many because that wasn't my intention, I do agree that this is an awesome fishing pond for new clients. I will say that not everyone will get along and agree, both escorts and clients don't compromise on certain things for a win/win situation. I have had dilemmas in the past with clients and clients with me on certain things and neither of us were willing to budge, not saying this happens often, and I would imagine this has happen to many of us, but it happens. I have also been flexible to accommodate desires and wants and so have client. In my mind its up to each of us as individuals to decide what we are willing to be flexible with and what we aren't and live with the outcomes. For example in my post I provided an example on how some flexibility for a win/win situation could happen for Juan and Josh.....one I happen to think is not a lot to ask from either party(pizza delivery example). Flexibility is a two way street in EVERY and ANY relationship.

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I guess my question is, what is the point in arguing with someone over the same topic that is set in his ways? I am in no way defending anyone, nor am I saying that I agree or disagree. I would imagine Juan is aware that he may lose clients because of this and must be ok with that. For this particular topic and not to get side tracked by one particular escort in a group of many because that wasn't my intention, I do agree that this is an awesome fishing pond for new clients. I will say that not everyone will get along and agree, both escorts and clients don't compromise on certain things for a win/win situation. I have had dilemmas in the past with clients and clients with me on certain things and neither of us were willing to budge, not saying this happens often, and I would imagine this has happen to many of us, but it happens. I have also been flexible to accommodate desires and wants and so have client. In my mind its up to each of us as individuals to decide what we are willing to be flexible with and what we aren't and live with the outcomes. For example in my post I provided an example on how some flexibility for a win/win situation could happen for Juan and Josh.....one I happen to think is not a lot to ask from either party(pizza delivery example). Flexibility is a two way street in EVERY and ANY relationship.

Lol... I agree in all respects! There is no sense in debating this topic to win, but to @mike carey's point, it sure is fruitful to discuss all angles. The more data we have to draw better insights, the better.

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I guess my question is, what is the point in arguing with someone over the same topic that is set in his ways?

 

Because that is what we do here hon. Just wait until you see the thread, and read the arguing, about the audacity of an escort charging $300+/hour -- for the 20th time! ;)

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Keith, I'm with you and with Juan on this: escorts have the right to embrace a specific biz model and to have client selection criteria & protocols that best suit their biz model. I also support clients in developing and standing by their own escort selection methods and meeting protocol. Here is the rub: When client and escort selection methods or protocols don't match, most folks believe there is an opportunity for flexibility, for a win-win. Now...hang in there with me....

In my humble opinion, what gets potential clients wound-up in the forum is when they hear an escort like Juan assert his deeply held selection criteria/protocols. Juan's posting style is empowered, in control, assertive. I love that about Juan, but in his desire to live his own values and mission, he can come across as inflexible - no win/win. This scares some clients! In his own impeccability, Juan rubs prospects the wrong way. Why? Bc we realize Juan will not ever be a choice for us, and that sucks cuz he is really hot and smart. :) He just comes across so set in his own ways and so closed to win/win, that it pisses prospects off. Even worse...what if other escorts began to be as uncompromising as Juan appears to be. Now, that would really suck!

One more thing. Bc of his physical beauty and intellect, I also guess ( speculation) that, in the non-virtual world, Juan is not used to being challenged, and when he is, he feels attacked - directly or indirectly. This often happens to beautiful, smart, and confident people. Their self-awareness is dulled bc most people are just falling all over themselves around them. This is not a criticism of Juan, he is blessed. My point is that sadly in social interaction, beautiful and smart people do have advantages.

IMO, what posters like Josh, Sam and others are doing here (and in other threads) is to challenge Juan's posting content, not his character. These posters are not picturing his beauty, they are analyzing his content and tone. Bc Juan is not used to being on the defensive, he feels attacked and compelled to continue defending himself thru long posts. Again, this is my perspective and observations, I'm not saying it is reality.

My final two cents: if escorts really believe in good branding, use this forum as a fishing pond. Adopt a posting style and tone that feels right for you. Authentic. Practice it. It will help you here and in the real world. Hell, you may even generate some biz! By the way, I believe Juan is authentic and successful. II admire that about him. He has found his niche, his tone and there ain't anything or anyone who will change it. For those business owners (you escorts) who have yet to find your niche and tone and how it aligns to your brand...get to work, because brand and tone will get you a niche and yield profits.

Good luck to all of us!

I will admit even after almost an infinite number of years on this planet I have not learned to keep my mouth shut and this is going to be one of them..but anyway…I thought of writing this in a PM but I have been told by smart guy that you should express your thoughts on the board.

True, I have come to like your posts and your thoughts but…I have to say that I am really disappointed in this post. I am not saying that your points are good or bad just that in my POV if seems that you are, in a very backhanded way (ie: not even addressing the comments directly to the escort) bashing the escort. I don't think you meant it, I think there is great sincerity in your post, but to me it rings of an cattiness just in the way you did it.

I think it is somewhat presumptuous of any us to think we can tell a very successful escort how to run his business. I have definitely learned my lesson not to do that. You made your points in your original post no need to explain further. In some ways I think, you are doing the same thing you accuse the escort of doing. I am really not trying to be hurtful or bash you honest. I just don't think that post was fair.

In my mind its up to each of us as individuals to decide what we are willing to be flexible with and what we aren't and live with the outcomes.

Keith thanks again for being the diplomat. And for sure I could not say it any better.

 

And now to a specific: I re-read Juan’s reviews. There are friggen 50 of em all amazing and that seems to me ultimately what counts. I think he has it down. Maybe not the style I would do, but hey…he is passionate (with a capitol P), professional, respectful and loves what he does. What else can you ask in an escort?

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True, I have come to like your posts and your thoughts but…I have to say that I am really disappointed in this post. I am not saying that your points are good or bad just that in my POV if seems that you are, in a very backhanded way (ie: not even addressing the comments directly to the escort) bashing the escort. I don't think you meant it, I think there is great sincerity in your post, but to me it rings of an cattiness just in the way you did it.

I think it is somewhat presumptuous of any us to think we can tell a very successful escort how to run his business. I have definitely learned my lesson not to do that. You made your points in your original post no need to explain further. In some ways I think, you are doing the same thing you accuse the escort of doing. I am really not trying to be hurtful or bash you honest. I just don't think that post was fair.

 

No offense taken, no bashing felt. I try my best to not read emotions or subtext into plain text. I choose to see good intent in what you posted. I also appreciate your being direct, ny2222. I've expressed exactly what I feel and if folks choose to read into it, add drama, intrigue, whatever, that's not something I can control. There is nothing else I can offer you except that I hope we can see eye-to-eye on other threads, have fun, and learn from each other in future forum activities. Regards, - TR

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NY222, thank you very much for your kind words. I appreciate them specially knowing we might not see eye to eye on certain subjects.

 

I guess my question is, what is the point in arguing with someone over the same topic that is set in his ways?

 

I think you are right, Keith. Trying to convince anyone to change their ways is often destined to fail. Historically people came here to try to understand why the other does things differently. For that purpose, this board is incredibly helpful. I think the idea of this forum was to create a flow of communication between escorts and clients, not to give them an arena to try to force them to behave the way the other wanted.

 

Because that is what we do here hon. Just wait until you see the thread, and read the arguing, about the audacity of an escort charging $300+/hour -- for the 20th time! ;)

 

That has not been a defining characteristic of the board. Had that been always the case I would have abandoned it a long time ago. Yes, every now and them we are graced by a cluster of very opinionated and aggressive clients who monopolize the board and make it feel as if this is what we come to do. But I still believe that most of us are here to gather insight into one another. To come a little closer.

 

Last but absolutely not least, Truereview...

 

I guess... thank you (?) for your... compliments? o_O I guess I should definitely stop doing therapy because you have me all figured out. It is a relief to know that everything in my life has been so easy and that I have never been challenged! (Specially intellectually!) Boy, does that put a different spin on my life. I guess I am... blessed... (?):rolleyes:

 

Interesting that you say that Josh, Sam and others are challenging my posting content, not my character. I would agree. Nobody has blamed them of anything else. The only one who has (to this point) gifted me with back handed compliments and criticized me at every chance he has, is you. Amateur psychological diagnoses are nothing but a very elegant form of passive aggression. e.g. "It's not that you are a hideous bitch, I am sure you are a wonderful person, clever, smart, blessed, really, it's just that you are clearly exhibiting the classical pathological psycho-expression of mild schizoid and borderline personality disorders."

 

I don't take offence. I have been called worse. Some of those times, I have even been assessed correctly, which is exciting in itself. Gifts do come from the strangest of places! I wish I could know how it is that I have grieved you this badly for I would love to make reparations. Till that time, I will stick to the content:

 

I am not here to create win-win's, whatever those might be. I am not here to "compromise" when it comes to my safety. I am not here to appeal to ALL clients. As opposed to what Josh implied, I am not here to front the international hooker council and speak about what is the law for everyone. I know the way in which I see my job will appeal to only a few men. Amongst that small circle, there will be even fewer who will be in my location and will be able to make a session possible, but I assure you that for me, the joy of meeting those men, the joy of sharing their adventure into discovering more and more ways to experience pleasure, to be present, to learn to communicate, to allow themselves to be seen and to learn to see and honour the other... the joy of going to work knowing that I will meet wonderful people with whom I share a common vision fills me with such a sense of purpose, such a sense of fate, that in the end you are right, even thought you grossly miscalculate the reasons... I am blessed. I love my work and I get to do it with wonderful people.

 

We all have to make choices in life. I wholeheartedly hope we will all make the right choices for ourselves.

 

May we all, at least in little glimpses here and there, thrive and prosper!

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I prefer to meet clients at their room if possible. Maybe because I'm a man of action :D and don't like to mill around in a lobby. My clients are comfortable with this. It has not been a big deal.

 

I establish rapport with guys on the phone prior to meeting, so I'm sure that helps us both be in the comfort zone.

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