Is Ultra High End Rent Boy Market Dying Out

[RockyHardon]

Just had two recent experiences and wondered if the new openess of the world to gay men and gay relationships is ending the ultra high end rent boy paradigm.

 

When I was in college, I was aware that guys like me...bogie golfer, double black diamond skier, USTA rated tennis player, middle class family roots and well read, could appear as a young protege of a closeted guy and make a ton of money.

 

I was recently in PS and met many successful retired Daddys and then went to a very elite private golf club in So Cal with a member and realized, that high profile gay men can now just take a legitimate young gay protege with them anywhere, and no one cares.

 

Is the High End RentBoy market dying?

[+ purplekow]

They may not care in Palm Springs but Augusta Georgia they may.

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

There's like—a million people on Rentboy.

 

[jimboivyo]

you are confusing closeted clients with 'ultra high end'

 

the market for long term guys is doing fine. the real pros will always have business

[+ Gar1eth]

How do you tell the difference between a closeted guy with protege and an out guy with a protege? I mean if closeted guy isn't extremely discreet with his protege, a lot of people will probably be gossiping about them anyway just like people did for Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson or Ace and Gary (The Ambiguously Gay Duo)

 

http://i.imgur.com/GKcRk5n.gif

 

Gman

[+ peterhung85]

Thanks for including the pic. It must be a really old one, did not recognize Ace with a dark hair...

[Rudynate]

I have always wondered whether high-end call boys existed or whether it was an urban myth. The closest thing to it that I have ever observed was when I lived in Denver, there was a very wealthy old gay guy who was constantly surrounded by a bevy of handsome, preppy young men (back then, they were called "sweater queens"). I was never sure if sex was involved, if money changed hands, or favors or what, but it was always interesting. The guy himself was extremely tall and usually towered over his harem of boys when they were out and about.

[mike carey]

From reading this, what does 'high end' even mean? Does it mean guys who are paid high rates, or does it mean guys who are paid regular or even minimal rates but who have clients who pay them for days or even weeks on end?

[+ quoththeraven]

From reading this, what does 'high end' even mean? Does it mean guys who are paid high rates, or does it mean guys who are paid regular or even minimal rates but who have clients who pay them for days or even weeks on end?

 

You just asked the question I've had since this thread was posted and was considering raising. What exactly are we talking about here? My assumption was that the OP was thinking more of long-term sugar daddy arrangements than high-priced, high-demand escorts, but I could be wrong.

[+ Gar1eth]

From reading this, what does 'high end' even mean? Does it mean guys who are paid high rates, or does it mean guys who are paid regular or even minimal rates but who have clients who pay them for days or even weeks on end?

 

You just asked the question I've had since this thread was posted and was considering raising. What exactly are we talking about here? My assumption was that the OP was thinking more of long-term sugar daddy arrangements than high-priced, high-demand escorts, but I could be wrong.

 

I'm sure 'high-end' could refer to both of these scenarios and many variations in between. The only way to know for sure would be to ask either the escort or the client. But in my own mind, I have trouble classifying as 'high-end' someone put on a pittance of a retainer. I could envision someone being put on retainer, but in my mind the retainer would consist of a lot of money.

 

Gman

[Rudynate]

I have always wondered about bodybuilders looking for "mentoring" arrangements. How much coin would that amount to?

[Zman]

This is just a random thought. You occasionally hear about "secret" societies made up of very wealthy gay men. I seem to recall that when Gianni Versace was assassinated there was talk that he was part of one. And there would be escort who catered to this very exclusive clientele. But all of that may be urban myth. Maybe such societies don't really need to exist since those who want to be out can be for the most part.

 

And, of course, very wealthy gay men are very different from each other. Tim Cook of Apple does not necessarily have much in common with David Geffen or Elton John. IDK about the other two but Elton John seems happily married and probably monogamous at this point in his life.

[Edward]

The question I would have to ask is what caliber of young man would it take for me to be a sugar daddy? I guess there are not many young guys I have met that I would consider supporting in exchange for companionship. It would take someone the caliber Jed Hill.

[+ Gar1eth]

The question I would have to ask is what caliber of young man would it take for me to be a sugar daddy? I guess there are not many young guys I have met that I would consider supporting in exchange for companionship. It would take someone the caliber Jed Hill.

 

But you know at the end of the day -I think it would drive me crazy knowing they were only there for the money. On the other hand maybe it's easier to fall in love with a rich guy than a poor guy.

 

Gman

[Becket]

Money is an integral part of any long term relationship. Having our material needs met is part of the attraction. Others look down on this association because the transactions are obvious, not subtle. It's no different than a straight guy giving his hot woman a diamond broach. Yes, it is a gift of love for his soul mate. But he is also hoping to get laid later on. cheers.

[+ Gar1eth]

Money is an integral part of any long term relationship. Having our material needs met is part of the attraction. Others look down on this association because the transactions are obvious, not subtle. It's no different than a straight guy giving his hot woman a diamond broach. Yes, it is a gift of love for his soul mate. But he is also hoping to get laid later on. cheers.

There's a difference when the guy or gal is only there for the money and perqs.

 

Gman

[RockyHardon]

Sorry Fellas I was off the site for a few days

 

There were some questions about what I meant by 'High End". And what I meant was more the long term regular sugar daddy situations where one is essentially on retainer....something a little different than regular fee for service. I know fee for service is much easier, especially if you can get top rates. However, I was wondering if the retainer boy market is still around.

 

Probably a stupid question, but just curious.

[BaronArtz]

The reason sugar daddy arrangements don't work long term is that the 'daddy' always has in the back of his mind that the 'son' is doing it just for the money, and the 'son' is always worried that 'daddy' may end the financial support at any time. It is stressful. There may be genuine affection, friendship even, but the underlying assumptions of the arrangement itself make it doomed from the start. Having said that, in the short term, it could work out very well for all parties involved.

 

But to answer your question, the retainer market is still very much around. I see it all the time here in NY. Typically the 'deal' consists of a monthly retainer, the cost of an apartment and a few luxuries thrown in. And a car, perhaps. The 'retainer' in my opinion, is roughly what the 'son' used to be making as an escort on a monthly basis. Some guys will accept a somewhat lower retainer because they value steady income and don't have to hustle for every appointment anymore. It is 'peace of mind', sort of. Until it ends.

 

There are also the 'sponsoring' arrangements for bodybuilders. For an intriguing, but somewhat disturbing read on this, I refer to specialized forums like this one:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=36549.25

[AdamSmith]

Agree with everything BaronArtz says. I know two working guys (formerly hourly evolving to mostly overnight/longer) who are each now on dedicated support from an older gent. One of them has already gone through the cycle of one such long-term arrangement petering out after a couple of years, and managing to find a replacement.

[RockyHardon]

Thanks for the replies...i guess...it is just a matter of finding the right clients if one is willing to deal with the added work of servicing a couple of retainer clients...

[needbodywork]

Yes. May December can work, but when it's a sugar daddy/boy relationship it never does long term. You see many escorts advertising, then taken off the market for a few months or a couple years, then back to it.

[Edward]

It does happen, you just don't hear about the success stories.

[rguer]

Yes. May December can work, but when it's a sugar daddy/boy relationship it never does long term. You see many escorts advertising, then taken off the market for a few months or a couple years, then back to it.

 

Just like dating, or marriage - sometimes participants will come back on the market.

[BaronArtz]

Thanks for the replies...i guess...it is just a matter of finding the right clients if one is willing to deal with the added work of servicing a couple of retainer clients...

 

I think high-end clients who engage in a sugar daddy arrangement will want some form or exclusivity. I am not aware of an escort having multiple sugar daddies simultaneously. It could be possible, of course, but I doubt it. Certainly not at the high-end side of the market.

 

Also, why would it be 'added work'? Think of all the time you save if you don't have to respond to inquiries from your escort ad anymore.

[+ Gar1eth]

I just remembered something. An escort/masseur I used to see was looking to find such a 'daddy'. A friend of his told him something about a party last Super Bowl Sunday that he attended where there were supposedly older men looking to make arrangements with younger men. The escort wanted an older guy, so his 'duties' wouldn't be very onerous.

I don't know how it worked out.

 

Gman