Best escorts in LA for first time bottom

[Traveler North]

I second he recommendation of Steven Kesslar. Really hot in bed and out of bed a bright and terrific guy with a great personality. Tho he lves in Palm Springs. am sure you could set up something with him.

[instudiocity]

I think you're taking issue with the use of the term "discrimination" because you're misunderstanding its meaning. Both examples you've provided are, in fact, discrimination. More specifically, they're examples of racial discrimination. However, the lunch counter is what's known as impermissible discrimination because it's done in the offering of commercial or professional services to the public, while picking one's romantic & sexual partners has always been thought of as permissible discrimination for the reasons you've touched upon. Admittedly, what escorts do straddles the fence between these areas.

No, I think I understand the meaning of the word, discrimination, very well, having grown up in Alabama in the 1960's. But let's use a dictionary definition: to recognize a distinction; differentiate. Like, he's white and I'm black. It was this distinction recognition that said the Whites get the main floor and the Blacks get the Balcony of my local movie theatre. But also it was a prejudicial distinction - Whites are better than Blacks. A prejudice I totally reject. I have Black friends that I prefer over some White folks. But I have some White friends that I prefer over Black folks. But my PREFERENCES are not illegal discriminations, because I'm not discriminating based on a prejudiced opinion, nor am I basing my preferences upon race, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age, or disability. Which are the only illegal discriminations in our society and apply mainly to commerce.

I was involved in that last forum discussion that BVB mentioned (that's how he and I became friends), and my position has always been this: we all have our own internal prejudices on a whole host of issues, and they affect how we see the world, including who we're attracted to. Sometimes it can be consciously controlled, sometimes not, and we often don't care to find out because we don't try or never even question it. But if an escort cannot put those issues aside, he should be upfront about it in his ads and marketing, so that the prospective client knows in advance. There is no excuse for the unprofessionalism inherent in the humiliating and demeaning experience of a client finding out for the first time upon meeting the escort that he will be rejected because of his race.

I am unaware of BVB's experience with Spencer, and I never knew BVB was a East Asian of Indian and African descent aka Mutt (joke). I only know BVB on the message board (and I love his sense of humor!). If what I am surmising here is true, that Spencer rejected him upon arrival at an appointment, I would be disappointed and confused by Spencer. That's not my experience with him.

 

To the other point about discriminatory preferences in providing services. If we agree that escorting is a legitimate business it might not be ok. Take for example the Santa Monica California Municipal Code:

 

6.104.090 Requirements for all massage establishments and massage technicians

(ee) All massage establishments must comply with all State and Federal laws and regulations for disabled customers. No massage establishment, operator, responsible employee or massage technician may discriminate or exclude patrons on the basis of race, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age, or disability.

 

this would lead me to beleive that you can clearly refuse a massge to an overweight person but you could not refuse service to the same person for being a woman or being old etc.

 

Of course in anyones personal life (not businesses and services to the public) you can discriminate for whatever stupid reason you so choose. A legitimate business or service may not have the right to do this.

Actually, Obesity is considered a disability under the anti-discrimnation laws.

 

And discrimination isn't stupid. Making a distinction is celebrated when it's a Brad Pitt. We celebrated his distinctive looks, his distinctive lifestyle and his distinctive success. But he discriminated himself into his life because he chose one way over many others. Some people prefer single-story homes, some people prefer townhouses, some people drive 4-door cars, some people drive 2-door cars - none of these are stupid reasons to discriminate - they are simply preferences.

 

So would it be nice if there were no prejudices in this arena, yes obviously. But having an escort who is uncomfortable performing probably the deepest intimacy there is with a certain type of client is vastly different from refusing to massage someone or refusing to supply flowers or cakes to a same sex wedding.

 

And also just as obviously this should be conveyed to the client before the meeting ever occurs.

 

Gman

Gman, I wish you hadn't introduced the word prejudices into the discussion. Prejudice to me is a mean word. It means to PRE-JUDGE, or as I prefer to say it, TO JUDGE WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE. Growing up in the South, I ached when I heard people discuss the worthlessness of other people simply based on the color of their skin, without ever knowing their name even! I ached when I saw 'Whites Only' signs on the restroom doors and over the water fountains of the county courthouse, knowing that there were "Colored Only" signs on the same places in the basement. I couldn't understand why Black folks had to walk downstairs just to pee? But illegal discrimination has been codified into law as these types of discrimination: race, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age, or disability.

 

Discrimination isn't an ugly word except when it includes prejudice and applies to those seven areas of life.

 

I can understand why any escort would reject and appointment with someone of a different race, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age, or disability, but only from the standpoint of his preferences. I don't see his preferences as a prejudiced. The escort knows better than anyone how he will perform in this most physically intimate encounter.Why should he, in the name of anti-discrimination, place himself in a situation where he already knows he risks underperforming even failing to satisfy the client?

[cooldemo03]

Go for Andrew justice! It says on here he'll be in LA starting the 6th. He's very good at all types of situations.

[+ Oliver]

Steven Kesslar or Rod Hagen - or both!

[down_to_business]

And discrimination isn't stupid. Making a distinction is celebrated when it's a Brad Pitt. We celebrated his distinctive looks, his distinctive lifestyle and his distinctive success. But he discriminated himself into his life because he chose one way over many others. Some people prefer single-story homes, some people prefer townhouses, some people drive 4-door cars, some people drive 2-door cars - none of these are stupid reasons to discriminate - they are simply preferences.

 

I can understand why any escort would reject and appointment with someone of a different race, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age, or disability, but only from the standpoint of his preferences. I don't see his preferences as a prejudiced. The escort knows better than anyone how he will perform in this most physically intimate encounter.Why should he, in the name of anti-discrimination, place himself in a situation where he already knows he risks underperforming even failing to satisfy the client?

 

It is my preference to consider discrimination stupid.

 

It doesn't matter what you understand or agree with - people who provide goods and/or services to the public aren't allowed to make discriminatory or predjudicial calls. If you are paying for sex, well that is illegal in most jurisdictions, and breaking anti-discrimination laws wouldn't really matter. If you are paying for nothing but the TIME of an escort offering his services to the public - sorry but it is not legal to refuse service on the basis of any protected category, period. So no- they wouldn't have to have sex with anyone they wouldn't want to have sex with but any escort refusing to spend time with any client in a protected class would be in violation of the law. I am not agreeing with it or saying it makes sense to force an escort to make an appointment with anyone he couldn't perform with -- its just what it is-- the law. Try posting an apartment for rent ad in your local newspaper and state a preference for white folks only or that you descriminate against non Christians or that people with over 8 inch cocks only need apply and see for yourself.

[Steven_Draker]

... It's not that I condone discrimination ...

 

I hear some escorts 'discriminate' only against poor hygiene and bad attitude.

 

We should track them down and drag those bastards to the International Court of Justice.

[Decatur Guy]

I've never been with Rod Hagen, but his participation on the Forum and his reviews lead me to think he'd be a good top for first-timer as well as bottoms who've been around the block a few hundred times.

[William]

I have been with Rod Hagen, who is first-rate in everything he does. As his postings on this website attest, Rod is very smart. More important, he listens to the client and calibrates his service to the client's needs. Although I did not bottom for him (I am completely oral), he would be the "top" of my list of men to break me in to that activity.

 

Ditto for Kristian in LA: Like Rod, he is handsome, considerate, and excellent between the sheets. If Mediterranean looks (Kristian) turn you on more than Nordic (Rod), he would be especially nice for the first time bottom.

 

Both Rod and Kristian are excellent french kissers, a skill that would help many virgin bottoms . . . .

[discreet]

Thank you for elaborating discreet. I unfortunately found all of this out the hard way....

 

oh man, I am so sorry to hear that. But I think his case is very rare. I am not the most attractive guy in the world but all of the escorts I have hired so far treated me well. I do know some of them were not really attracted to me because they could not get hard, not good connections at the first meeting etc but they all handled the case very professionally and tried to make it up for me.

[bigvalboy]

oh man, I am so sorry to hear that. But I think his case is very rare. I am not the most attractive guy in the world but all of the escorts I have hired so far treated me well. I do know some of them were not really attracted to me because they could not get hard, not good connections at the first meeting etc but they all handled the case very professionally and tried to make it up for me.

Thanks again for the post....it was spot on!!! AND I do think that you are correct, very few escorts have those limitations. It was the first time in several decades of hiring that something like that happened to me. All you can do is "Grin and bear it"

[Lohengrin1979]

I've never been with Rod Hagen, but his participation on the Forum and his reviews lead me to think he'd be a good top for first-timer as well as bottoms who've been around the block a few hundred times.

 

He absolutely is. One of my first hires and definitely one of the first who topped me. He is a pro and beautiful at heart. I was nervous as hell and he coached me through it in a very nurturing way. I sure wasn't screaming in fear at the end, that's for sure.

 

Lohengrin

[Guest bluesman]

Thanks guys for the suggestions. I will take them all into consideration.

[instudiocity]

It is my preference to consider discrimination stupid.

 

It doesn't matter what you understand or agree with - people who provide goods and/or services to the public aren't allowed to make discriminatory or predjudicial calls. If you are paying for sex, well that is illegal in most jurisdictions, and breaking anti-discrimination laws wouldn't really matter. If you are paying for nothing but the TIME of an escort offering his services to the public - sorry but it is not legal to refuse service on the basis of any protected category, period. So no- they wouldn't have to have sex with anyone they wouldn't want to have sex with but any escort refusing to spend time with any client in a protected class would be in violation of the law. I am not agreeing with it or saying it makes sense to force an escort to make an appointment with anyone he couldn't perform with -- its just what it is-- the law. Try posting an apartment for rent ad in your local newspaper and state a preference for white folks only or that you descriminate against non Christians or that people with over 8 inch cocks only need apply and see for yourself.

And if you so choose to consider discrimination in and of itself without the legalese, stupid - go right ahead, stupid.

 

And if you so choose to file a complaint against a sex-worker for discriminating against you in their preferences, go right ahead. I believe the agency for filing such complaint is the Federal Court system. And if you are so cross with me that you'd say a sex-worker who has contrary preferences to their client should still spend the hour with the client - not having sex and collecting the hourly rate, with total disregard to the consequences of an angered client filing a negative review, I can add another item to your stupid list (double entendré intended)!

So far as your example of the apartment for rent, it doesn't fly. Discrimination in apartment rentals occur frequently. Consider an ad for an apartment that charges a monthly rent amount but not showing a security deposit amount. The landlord may freely adjust the amount of the security deposit based on credit checks, pets and his very own whim so that he makes it more advantageous for the preferred renter than for the less desirable applicants. And unless the denied applicant files a complaint, no one will ever investigate the landlord's basis for the disproportionate security deposit amounts.

 

I have seen landlords in my neighborhood go from calm, mild-mannered nice people to total flipped out whackos when an undesirable candidate for tenancy even looked at an apartment. That might explain some reviews where the escort "appeared to be on something", "acted strangely" and my favorite, didn't "put me at ease." We only find out about those when someone writes a review.

 

Things are not always as they appear, and the laws of the land often go unenforced. So go ahead and complain about escorts discriminating according to their personal preferences - see what that gets you, stupid.

[discreet]

It's not that I condone discrimination. I don't. But this job/profession/avocation of escorting hits so close to what the escort does on a personal basis. I just don't know. It seems to me that if there is a type you know you aren't attracted to on a personal basis, and you know that you wouldn't be able to get beyond those feelings in a paid basis either--then this might be one of those cases where discrimination is ok to practice. I mean I would hate to end up hiring an escort who totally hated my type--either physique or ethnicity. It probably would lead to a not very fulfilling session for me. And as clients we do discriminate with our wants to. I mean for most of us there are escorts we would never hire for reasons such as to include race, physiques, looks, habits/practices, etc etc, etc.

 

Gman

 

I agree with you that we have likes/dislikes. But the problem is the escort would still charge the same rate for someone he is not attracted to and that someone would expect the same treatment/level of service because he is paying the same amount with those the escort is attracted to. IMO, a professional escort would hide their likes/dislikes well and satisfy his customer the same way as long as he is charging the same. I do know some do!

[Strafe13]

My goodness, what happened here? I'm pretty sure the guy didn't call you stupid. He said that he considers discrimination to be stupid. Your use of the comma after the word discrimination, shows that you meant to call him stupid, while his failure to use the comma indicates that it is the discrimination, and not you, that he felt was stupid. Even if it's up in the air, why would you jump to that conclusion and then subject everyone else to the budding war of words between you?

 

And just because the law is routinely and flagrantly ignored by the very people to whom it's meant to apply, doesn't make your point, but actually only further demonstrates that your opponent is in the right, in that people go to such lengths to mask their illegal behavior. Whether escorts provide a service akin to housing, or other service industries seems to be the operative analogy in question in this conversation. But if you're going to cite the illegal actions of bigoted landlords, then it seems that you've ceded the central point and the moral high ground. The idea that you wouldn't want an escort with racial prejudices in his romantic/sexual attractions going through with the session seems indistinguishable (to me) from the argument that a couple wouldn't want a prejudiced service provider making their wedding cake or catering their event. As a practical matter, that's likely true, but it completely fails to grapple with the heart of the issue at hand.

 

And if you so choose to consider discrimination in and of itself without the legalese, stupid - go right ahead, stupid.

 

And if you so choose to file a complaint against a sex-worker for discriminating against you in their preferences, go right ahead. I believe the agency for filing such complaint is the Federal Court system. And if you are so cross with me that you'd say a sex-worker who has contrary preferences to their client should still spend the hour with the client - not having sex and collecting the hourly rate, with total disregard to the consequences of an angered client filing a negative review, I can add another item to your stupid list (double entendré intended)!

So far as your example of the apartment for rent, it doesn't fly. Discrimination in apartment rentals occur frequently. Consider an ad for an apartment that charges a monthly rent amount but not showing a security deposit amount. The landlord may freely adjust the amount of the security deposit based on credit checks, pets and his very own whim so that he makes it more advantageous for the preferred renter than for the less desirable applicants. And unless the denied applicant files a complaint, no one will ever investigate the landlord's basis for the disproportionate security deposit amounts.

 

I have seen landlords in my neighborhood go from calm, mild-mannered nice people to total flipped out whackos when an undesirable candidate for tenancy even looked at an apartment. That might explain some reviews where the escort "appeared to be on something", "acted strangely" and my favorite, didn't "put me at ease." We only find out about those when someone writes a review.

 

Things are not always as they appear, and the laws of the land often go unenforced. So go ahead and complain about escorts discriminating according to their personal preferences - see what that gets you, stupid.

[+ Gar1eth]

I agree with you that we have likes/dislikes. But the problem is the escort would still charge the same rate for someone he is not attracted to and that someone would expect the same treatment/level of service because he is paying the same amount with those the escort is attracted to. IMO, a professional escort would hide their likes/dislikes well and satisfy his customer the same way as long as he is charging the same. I do know some do!

 

No what I would hope and expect if the escort is a stand up guy is that he would let the guy know ahead of time that he couldn't work with the client and would never charge him in the 1st place.

 

Gman

[Strafe13]

No what I would hope and expect if the escort is a stand up guy is that he would let the guy know ahead of time that he couldn't work with the client and would never charge him in the 1st place.

 

Gman

 

Agree with you here, Gar1eth. The problem, I guess, is that how would the escort so alert the client? A major point of contention in the previous thread on this topic, was my calling out those escorts who refused to disclose such racial restrictions in their ads. Assuming they won't do that because (drumroll, irony,...) they don't want to be judged by others who would see the ad, even if most of the viewers may not be in the excluded group, then the alternative would be to communicate that to each prospective client beforehand. Do you put that in a text or e-mail? For escorts who don't want the info published in their ads, I'd suspect they wouldn't want it reduced in their own writings also. So then they'd likely have to communicate it only via telephone conversation, which risks a level of embarrassment or humiliation on the part of the client similar to the face-to-face meeting due to the level of verbal interaction. I guess it just puts the escort in an awkward position (again, cue the irony - anyone have Alanis Morrisette's number?). Overall, it just seems like a very strange and counterproductive prejudice to hold in this kind of profession, particularly since the job is all about being intimate with people towards whom you wouldn't likely feel a regular sexual or romantic attraction in the first place. I guess that's why sociologists have often referred to racial (and other forms of) prejudice as irrational.

[Rod Hagen]

Thank you for all the sexy memories you wonderful wonderful boys!

[down_to_business]

My goodness, what happened here? I'm pretty sure the guy didn't call you stupid. He said that he considers discrimination to be stupid. Your use of the comma after the word discrimination, shows that you meant to call him stupid, while his failure to use the comma indicates that it is the discrimination, and not you, that he felt was stupid. Even if it's up in the air, why would you jump to that conclusion and then subject everyone else to the budding war of words between you?

 

And just because the law is routinely and flagrantly ignored by the very people to whom it's meant to apply, doesn't make your point, but actually only further demonstrates that your opponent is in the right, in that people go to such lengths to mask their illegal behavior. Whether escorts provide a service akin to housing, or other service industries seems to be the operative analogy in question in this conversation. But if you're going to cite the illegal actions of bigoted landlords, then it seems that you've ceded the central point and the moral high ground. The idea that you wouldn't want an escort with racial prejudices in his romantic/sexual attractions going through with the session seems indistinguishable (to me) from the argument that a couple wouldn't want a prejudiced service provider making their wedding cake or catering their event. As a practical matter, that's likely true, but it completely fails to grapple with the heart of the issue at hand.

 

Thanks for your comment. I did not call anyone names but wow did I get personally attacked. Your understanding of my post was correct. I am not going to respond to the personal attack so no need to worry about a war.

[discreet]

No what I would hope and expect if the escort is a stand up guy is that he would let the guy know ahead of time that he couldn't work with the client and would never charge him in the 1st place.

 

Gman

 

well the problem is it is not just about race. Why do you think we hire escorts? There is always a reason to hire escort, ie, we have some disadvantages, like being old, not very good looking, racial factor or whatever it is. That is why we go to escorts. Now I am having a hard time to understand why an escort in that position would prefer one ethnicity over another but okay with looks and age. Are you saying if the escort enjoys being with ugly and old but never enjoys a particular ethnicity, then it is ok? That argument itself is very disturbing and according to that, many escorts should enjoy older men because most of us are older. Now is that the case?

 

In any case, escorts should find a better way of revealing that information if he is going to enforce that rule, and in this case, the particular escort we are talking about was not very good at that and apparently hurt a client. Not very cool!

 

Just from my personal experiences, I have had particular likes and dislikes over certain ethnicity in the past. But I was close minded and I regret that. For example, first I liked only east asians. Even watching a porn with white guys were disgusting. Then for some reason, I started liking white guys as I experienced more with them. Then I didn't like black guys until I met this guy and he opened my eyes. I also did not like Filipinos but then there was a guy. The story goes on. Even when I didn't like many ethnic guys in the beginning, if I were an escort, I would have preferred a good looking ethnic guy over any ugly and old. But I wouldn't have a very good business like that and would have been considered professionally unethical.

[dentjusay]

Just wanted to bring this thread back to life with any recent recommendations. I'm looking for an LA top who you think would be great for a first time bottom. I don't really enjoy toys/objects even though they can serve as good practice, so looking to solely practice with the real deal. PM's are welcome too.

Thanks y'all

[chadLA]

JLA or Kesslar still working? Cant find ads.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

Just wanted to bring this thread back to life with any recent recommendations. I'm looking for an LA top who you think would be great for a first time bottom. I don't really enjoy toys/objects even though they can serve as good practice, so looking to solely practice with the real deal. PM's are welcome too.

Thanks y'all

Rod Hagen comes to mind

[+ poolboy48220]

I remember my first time bottoming fondly. This was early 90's so I can't give you the guy's name, but we talked on the phone beforehand and I said "I want to try getting fucked for my first time". He was a bit flustered and said "We'll talk more about it when I get there". I got the impression he was someplace where he couldn't talk that freely

 

He was very considerate, started out with me sitting on his cock so we could take things slow, eventually had me upside down on the bed, and I had a wonderful time. Coincidentally, he was also the first guy I'd ever rimmed; I was amazed that I enjoyed that so much.

[mike carey]

Rod Hagen comes to mind

Yes, and he'll even move the piles of The Economist off his desk for your tryst!