Shouldn't you even try to pretend?

[maxwellissmart]

Oh my God.

 

Kneel before Zod.

[+ glutes]

Well Unsub, I know you are new here - but this is way too much drama for me. Name this steroidal monster so others don't have to suffer! I do, and of course you'll be attacked. Man up.

 

You have sent a review in (good), now move on in the escort world.

 

Remember, rentboys are actors. Some award winning, some not so:

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/showthread.php?79047-Are-escorts-just-mere-actors

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/dd/Oscar_statuette.jpg/220px-Oscar_statuette.jpg

[Michael Wayne]

Leigh that is really cool. The hardest thing is reaching that type of guy. The MOST REWARDING part of the job is after the date when a new client really appreciates you and talks to you face to face treating you as a man . It isn't how cute you are or how good of shape you are in or even how big your dick is that they remember. It is how nice you were to them and how special you made them feel. That is the secret to a client becoming a regular. No matter how much the biz may change (and it changes daily now!) the one thing that will never change is this: REGULAR CLIENTS ARE THE KEY AS IS A GOOD LOCAL MARKET AND A GOOD REPUTATION! hAPPY mAY dAY GUYS!

[citylaw1]

My concern about writing a review is that I just don't want to affect his livelihood (BTW, he told me that he makes $20,000 a month but that he rarely does overnights because they're boring and the client might actually want to snuggle or might snore!!). Did he have a bad day or just wasn't up to it? I don't know. He also takes steroids which, I suppose, could affect his mood. See, guys, it just gets better and better. As a number of you said, some men may actually like this kind of behavior. Oh, as for his reviews, they stressed that he'd do whatever he was asked to do. But, in reading them over again, no one said with what affect or manner he would do those actions. I guess you gotta read between the lines--even here.

 

The fact that you are on an escort review site and unwilling to provide a review is ridiculous.

[tom1980]

Steve -- I'm a little late to the party, but I'll chime in anyway. You state repeatedly that you ignore and avoid your client's calls because you don't want to be rude to him. I think that behavior is incredibly rude and disrespectful. It would be much kinder of you to answer his call and tell him that you appreciate his interest but cannot see him. You do not have to be mean, judgmental, or rude when you inform him. If he asks why, explain to him that you do not share his role playing interests and do not want to participate any longer. The next time he tricks you and shows up at your door, you should be polite but firm while explaining that you do not want to proceed with the appointment. Although the client should not trick you to get an appointment, you share some blame for your refusal to talk to him like an adult when he calls. If he gets upset when you tell him you don't want to do it anymore, so be it. You shouldn't be guiled or tricked into double ng something you don't want to do, but the only way to stop it is to address the situation directly.

[jjkrkwood]

Steve -- I'm a little late to the party, but I'll chime in anyway. You state repeatedly that you ignore and avoid your client's calls because you don't want to be rude to him. I think that behavior is incredibly rude and disrespectful. It would be much kinder of you to answer his call and tell him that you appreciate his interest but cannot see him. You do not have to be mean, judgmental, or rude when you inform him. If he asks why, explain to him that you do not share his role playing interests and do not want to participate any longer. The next time he tricks you and shows up at your door, you should be polite but firm while explaining that you do not want to proceed with the appointment. Although the client should not trick you to get an appointment, you share some blame for your refusal to talk to him like an adult when he calls. If he gets upset when you tell him you don't want to do it anymore, so be it. You shouldn't be guiled or tricked into double ng something you don't want to do, but the only way to stop it is to address the situation directly.

 

THAT party is wayyyyy over Tom, but come sit by me cause I saved some Chex-mix that i will share with you while I am telling you I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY !

[maxwellissmart]

Steve -- I'm a little late to the party, but I'll chime in anyway. You state repeatedly that you ignore and avoid your client's calls because you don't want to be rude to him. I think that behavior is incredibly rude and disrespectful. It would be much kinder of you to answer his call and tell him that you appreciate his interest but cannot see him. You do not have to be mean, judgmental, or rude when you inform him. If he asks why, explain to him that you do not share his role playing interests and do not want to participate any longer. The next time he tricks you and shows up at your door, you should be polite but firm while explaining that you do not want to proceed with the appointment. Although the client should not trick you to get an appointment, you share some blame for your refusal to talk to him like an adult when he calls. If he gets upset when you tell him you don't want to do it anymore, so be it. You shouldn't be guiled or tricked into double ng something you don't want to do, but the only way to stop it is to address the situation directly.

 

Sometimes a client refuses to take "no" for an answer. Sometimes they refuse to take "yes" for an answer—meaning that all they're doing is playing a game of one kind or another and they'll never follow through. Unfortunately the nature of this business allows clients and especially would-be clients with no intention of ever hiring to bend escorts over the proverbial barrel. I've had people contact me who obviously wanted me to jump through hoop after hoop just to watch me get frustrated. I've currently got someone blocked under close to twenty email addresses and phone numbers. If I were to tell him to leave me alone—do you really think he would at this point? Probably not—considering that I've rejected his offer nearly twenty times now, and he hasn't gotten the hint yet. Or rather—he has. I think it was Zach who posted the thread about having a semi-stalker-semi-boyfriend client kind of situation going on—and I suggested then that it might be hard for him to cut the guy off cold turkey because a precedent and a dynamic has been set. With Steve's client, "kindness" is no longer an issue or a concern or even a possibility. If the guy resorts to trickery and subterfuge to get an appointment, it should be obvious that Steve is not interested in seeing him—and even if Steve were to flat out tell him: "I don't want to see you anymore," I doubt it would stick because the client puts absolutely zero importance on what Steve wants. It's all about this client and I would imagine it's because his needs are rather unusual and off-putting for most people. Well, that's fine and good—but it's his problem, not Steve's. And exactly how "kind" is it to tell someone directly that even though they are offering to pay for your time, you have no interest in seeing them? "Well I just wish he would have told me directly, and not wasted my time." Yeah—that's bullshit, and I learned it first-hand from some fat guy.

 

This also crosses over with the logic of the threads that unsub has been posting—about whether or not he should be worried about jumping through all of these hoops to please his escort rather than himself. It's a similar dynamic: your escort is here to please you, but with one important difference. The escort in question here has agreed to see unsub, and hasn't been tricked into setting up an appointment.

[unsub2O17]

The fact that you are on an escort review site and unwilling to provide a review is ridiculous.

 

I did actually write one and submitted it.

[citylaw1]

I did actually write one and submitted it.

 

Excellent!

[unsub2O17]

Well Unsub, I know you are new here - but this is way too much drama for me. Name this steroidal monster so others don't have to suffer! I do, and of course you'll be attacked. Man up.

 

You have sent a review in (good), now move on in the escort world.

 

Remember, rentboys are actors. Some award winning, some not so:

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/showthread.php?79047-Are-escorts-just-mere-actors

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/dd/Oscar_statuette.jpg/220px-Oscar_statuette.jpg

 

Terrific thread. Thanks so much for the reference.

[SteveEscort]

Steve -- I'm a little late to the party, but I'll chime in anyway. You state repeatedly that you ignore and avoid your client's calls because you don't want to be rude to him. I think that behavior is incredibly rude and disrespectful. It would be much kinder of you to answer his call and tell him that you appreciate his interest but cannot see him. You do not have to be mean, judgmental, or rude when you inform him. If he asks why, explain to him that you do not share his role playing interests and do not want to participate any longer.

 

Unfortunately, it is not in my nature to hurt someone's feelings in that way. The first few times I seen him the panties were not part of the set up, they are now and he already knows that I ignore his calls, which is why he calls from other numbers using other names.

 

The next time he tricks you and shows up at your door, you should be polite but firm while explaining that you do not want to proceed with the appointment.

 

That's a very difficult thing to do when someone is at the door, I don't actually want to invite him in but I actually live in a nice house in a nice part of town with neighbours. Unfortunately I don't wish to have to explain anything at the doorstep. I've worked from this house for over 8 years without instance but that's partly because I am discreet when guys come to the door.

 

Although the client should not trick you to get an appointment, you share some blame for your refusal to talk to him like an adult when he calls. If he gets upset when you tell him you don't want to do it anymore, so be it. You shouldn't be guiled or tricked into double ng something you don't want to do, but the only way to stop it is to address the situation directly.

 

I realise that and I agree with you, however I can't be rude to someone and I don't need to explain myself to him, I would much rather ignore the calls, whether it's wrong or right it's my way of dealing with it. Ignoring calls is something all of us working boys do and I don't see that ignoring his calls is any different.

[SteveEscort]

If the guy resorts to trickery and subterfuge to get an appointment, it should be obvious that Steve is not interested in seeing him—and even if Steve were to flat out tell him: "I don't want to see you anymore," I doubt it would stick because the client puts absolutely zero importance on what Steve wants. It's all about this client and I would imagine it's because his needs are rather unusual and off-putting for most people. Well, that's fine and good—but it's his problem, not Steve's. And exactly how "kind" is it to tell someone directly that even though they are offering to pay for your time, you have no interest in seeing them? "Well I just wish he would have told me directly, and not wasted my time."

 

Thank you Maxwell. Unfortunately people like Tom and jjkrkwood just don't realise what it's like on this side of the fence. This guy could cause all sorts of trouble should I piss him off. It's not unknown for escorts' neighbours to be door dropped with copies of an escorts' website.... Look what's going on around your doors.

 

I know of a female escort who was a member of a local ladies darts team at her local pub and when they opened up the dartboard cover, there were pictures of her printed off an escorting site with "You have a £100 an hour slapper on the darts team". The police were involved but no one managed to see any one stick them on there. People, when they don't get their own way do horrible things to escorts........ why............ because most of us work secretly and they can. She could never go in that pub. Why would someone want to be so thoroughly horrible. Had she pissed off a neighbour by refusing to see him because he was too local - who knows

 

I have never and will never be rude or confrontational to clients when they know where i live. Understand that please

[jjkrkwood]

Thank you Maxwell. Unfortunately people like Tom and jjkrkwood just don't realise what it's like on this side of the fence. This guy could cause all sorts of trouble should I piss him off. It's not unknown for escorts' neighbours to be door dropped with copies of an escorts' website.... Look what's going on around your doors.

 

I know of a female escort who was a member of a local ladies darts team at her local pub and when they opened up the dartboard cover, there were pictures of her printed off an escorting site with "You have a £100 an hour slapper on the darts team". The police were involved but no one managed to see any one stick them on there. People, when they don't get their own way do horrible things to escorts........ why............ because most of us work secretly and they can. She could never go in that pub. Why would someone want to be so thoroughly horrible. Had she pissed off a neighbour by refusing to see him because he was too local - who knows

 

I have never and will never be rude or confrontational to clients when they know where i live. Understand that please

 

So basically what you are saying Steve is that this client is "holding you hostage" in some perverted sense ? Victims are only victims IF they ALLOW themselves to be.....

[maxwellissmart]

So basically what you are saying Steve is that this client is "holding you hostage" in some perverted sense ? Victims are only victims IF they ALLOW themselves to be.....

 

Ah, someone has been watching "The View" again. You're confusing "victim," as in someone who is the victim of a crime, with "perpetual victim," as in someone who wittingly or unwittingly perpetuates negative situations for themselves.

 

JJ—remember the drunk guy who was a regular of mine, who I was uncomfortable with seeing after he started drunk-dialing me? Am I a victim for trying to continue to see him, since I thought he had been a nice guy? Or did I become a victim once he started sending abusive texts that I chose to chalk up to the booze at first? My point is that his personal problems crossed a line and became uncontrollable and unpredictable—and therefore potentially dangerous. Steve's client is much the same—once someone has a certain amount of info on you, they can manipulate you to a certain extent, and you have to choose how to handle that, and carefully.

[jjkrkwood]

Ah, someone has been watching "The View" again. You're confusing "victim," as in someone who is the victim of a crime, with "perpetual victim," as in someone who wittingly or unwittingly perpetuates negative situations for themselves.

 

JJ—remember the drunk guy who was a regular of mine, who I was uncomfortable with seeing after he started drunk-dialing me? Am I a victim for trying to continue to see him, since I thought he had been a nice guy? Or did I become a victim once he started sending abusive texts that I chose to chalk up to the booze at first? My point is that his personal problems crossed a line and became uncontrollable and unpredictable—and therefore potentially dangerous. Steve's client is much the same—once someone has a certain amount of info on you, they can manipulate you to a certain extent, and you have to choose how to handle that, and carefully.

 

No Max, I think a person becomes a "victim" once they compromise themselves by allowing mistreatment. You confirmed the guy had become a problem for you, yet you still considered seeing him. You had a choice. You became the victim when you made the wrong one.... But of course, this is only MY take on this issue....

[maxwellissmart]

No Max, I think a person becomes a "victim" once they compromise themselves by allowing mistreatment. You confirmed the guy had become a problem for you, yet you still considered seeing him. You had a choice. You became the victim when you made the wrong one.... But of course, this is only MY take on this issue....

 

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one—not to pull the race card, but unless you're an escort and understand the dynamic from within, it's hard to explain.

[jjkrkwood]

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one—not to pull the race card, but unless you're an escort and understand the dynamic from within, it's hard to explain.

 

You would NEVER be a person I would choose to argue with. I'm good here buddy......

[cany10011]

Might you divulge who this escort is? I'm curious.

If he makes 20,000 a month with no overnights, he must be asking around 300 to 350 per hour and see at 2-3 clients per day for 5 days a week per month to get that sum. Is he a famous porn star?

 

Busy guy!

 

 

 

 

 

My concern about writing a review is that I just don't want to affect his livelihood (BTW, he told me that he makes $20,000 a month but that he rarely does overnights because they're boring and the client might actually want to snuggle or might snore!!). Did he have a bad day or just wasn't up to it? I don't know. He also takes steroids which, I suppose, could affect his mood. See, guys, it just gets better and better. As a number of you said, some men may actually like this kind of behavior. Oh, as for his reviews, they stressed that he'd do whatever he was asked to do. But, in reading them over again, no one said with what affect or manner he would do those actions. I guess you gotta read between the lines--even here.

[SteveEscort]

So basically what you are saying Steve is that this client is "holding you hostage" in some perverted sense ? Victims are only victims IF they ALLOW themselves to be.....

 

 

No............... no one is holding me hostage, I am just trying to point out (which is like banging my head against a brick wall here) that I don't go upsetting people, especially ones who know where I live

[SteveEscort]

No Max, I think a person becomes a "victim" once they compromise themselves by allowing mistreatment.

 

And........... please explain my dear, how have I become a victim by allowing mistreatment.

 

I have only seen the guy when he's been to the door under a false name and new number to AVOID confrontation. Maybe I should just send him away at the door with a flea in his ear and ask him not to return, IN EAR SHOT of neighbours.

 

You're unbelieveable

[SteveEscort]

Maxwell,

 

Steve, my apologies for my previous post.

 

Sincerely, Anton.

 

Nothing to apologise for, you had a valid point

[jjkrkwood]

And........... please explain my dear, how have I become a victim by allowing mistreatment.

 

I have only seen the guy when he's been to the door under a false name and new number to AVOID confrontation. Maybe I should just send him away at the door with a flea in his ear and ask him not to return, IN EAR SHOT of neighbours.

 

You're unbelieveable

 

My dear Steve, I was not talking about you, although THIS thread does evolve around you. I was speaking in general terms to Max's comment. If you FEEL your only option is to continue seeing the guy, DO SO. I personally dont care. But when a person vents, i tend to comment. If you didnt want opinions, you should have prefaced that in your original post.

You are allowing yourself to be intimidated by a person whom you DONT know for a fact will do you any harm.

[SteveEscort]

My dear Steve, I was not talking about you, although THIS thread does evolve around you. I was speaking in general terms to Max's comment. If you FEEL your only option is to continue seeing the guy, DO SO. I personally dont care. But when a person vents, i tend to comment. If you didnt want opinions, you should have prefaced that in your original post.

You are allowing yourself to be intimidated by a person whom you DONT know for a fact will do you any harm.

 

But if you all think I am doing it wrong then what would you do if you lived in a nice neighbourhood and this guy who you clearly ignore shows up at the door like this. You know guys.......... I wish I had never mentioned it. I only said in the context of the original post by saying "Us working boys are guilty of rolling our eyes........ blah blah I have a client who turns up....blah".

 

It's 5.45pm London time and I have a nice guy arriving in 15 minutes time with an 8" cock and fucks like a bunny, so I will rejoin the discussion on whether I should send away my nuisance caller when I can sit down comfortably.

[unsub2O17]

Might you divulge who this escort is? I'm curious.

If he makes 20,000 a month with no overnights, he must be asking around 300 to 350 per hour and see at 2-3 clients per day for 5 days a week per month to get that sum. Is he a famous porn star?

 

Busy guy!

 

The review should be out soon, and he'll have a chance to respond. Maybe some of his "volume" was due to the fact that he was visiting for just four days. He said that he was averaging 5 clients a day.

[seeker630]

But if you all think I am doing it wrong then what would you do if you lived in a nice neighbourhood and this guy who you clearly ignore shows up at the door like this. You know guys.......... I wish I had never mentioned it. I only said in the context of the original post by saying "Us working boys are guilty of rolling our eyes........ blah blah I have a client who turns up....blah".

 

It's 5.45pm London time and I have a nice guy arriving in 15 minutes time with an 8" cock and fucks like a bunny, so I will rejoin the discussion on whether I should send away my nuisance caller when I can sit down comfortably.

 

Steve , when you read this, I hope you will have been well & truly fucked (in the good way, of course )

 

When I look back through this thread, I do see support for you. I think this board is definitely client-biased by it's very nature, and this thread shows that, to an extent.

 

I think only you can make the appropriate risk/benefit decision as to what is the best course of action for you.. In this instance, the client does NOT come first.

 

I think it did bother some of us clients when you expressed your distatse for the fetish of the client so explicitly - but perhaps we have a bit of a knee-jerk reaction whenever an escort expresses dislike to a client's preferences.