What's up with NYC??

[ManToManDave]

Hey Guys,

 

So I have been fielding inquiries for almost a year as to when my big friendly superstar, Jeremy Walker, will be returning to NYC.

 

Well -- he has been there since Tuesday. Through much effort, I was able to get him 7 appts.

 

5 (FIVE)! of the seven clients have cancelled or no-showed... so far.

 

This is the reality of why it's hard to get guys like him to visit the bigger cities. Needless to say, he won't be returning anytime soon.

 

Very frustrating!! grrrrrrrrrrrrrr :-(

 

Dave

Man To Man

[Guest countryboywny]

Buffalo awaits!

[miaguy290]

Did oyu ever consider up front deposit at time of booking? It is really a shame people have no respect for other people's time, no matter what the business is.

[ManToManDave]

miaguy:

 

I have considered it --but it's quite difficult to administrate, especially if the turn-around time is very short. I no longer do credit cards, so the client would need to have a PayPal account --which few do. Also -- you can imagine the resistance when I mention any $$ up front. It would usually result in losing the booking. i DO, however, require a deposit for overnight or longer appts --which has been a good policy for me.

 

Thx

 

Dave

Man To Man

[Decatur Guy]

It's stunning to me the lack of consideration on both sides of the business for people's time.

 

Almost seems like an old-fashioned brothel system would work better -- a physical site where RentGuys will be there, and clients go knowing a hot guy will be there.

[Bosguy]

It's amazing. I live near Boston and the top travelling escorts (including my favorite guys) don't come to Boston anymore primarily because of lack of business caused by last minute cancellation and no shows. I wish this type of clients could realize the consequences of their unprofessional behavior to many others. I bet as professionals themselves in their line of work, their clients would not tolerate this type of behavior.

I wonder how many other major cities are experiencing this problem

 

Boston Bill

[Decatur Guy]

It's amazing. I live near Boston and the top travelling escorts (including my favorite guys) don't come to Boston anymore primarily because of lack of business caused by last minute cancellation and no shows. I wish this type of clients could realize the consequences of their unprofessional behavior to many others. I bet as professionals themselves in their line of work, their clients would not tolerate this type of behavior.

I wonder how many other major cities are experiencing this problem

 

Boston Bill

 

It's bad in Atlanta. I had an escort cancel on me because so many other clients canceled on him that the trip wasn't worth it. I didn't blame him.

[seeker630]

It's bad in Atlanta. I had an escort cancel on me because so many other clients canceled on him that the trip wasn't worth it. I didn't blame him.

 

I had the same thing happen in my city.

[+ bigjoey]

One escort I know had six cancellations out of eight and a trip he made became unprofitable.

[maxwellissmart]

miaguy:

 

I have considered it --but it's quite difficult to administrate, especially if the turn-around time is very short. I no longer do credit cards, so the client would need to have a PayPal account --which few do. Also -- you can imagine the resistance when I mention any $$ up front. It would usually result in losing the booking. i DO, however, require a deposit for overnight or longer appts --which has been a good policy for me.

 

Thx

 

Dave

Man To Man

 

Have you seen the CC systems for iPhone? Seems very no-muss, no-fuss to me.

[+ purplekow]

I wonder if these are true appointments or if they are other escorts looking to eliminate competition or perhaps homophobes trying to waste an escort's time and get him to stay out of town. I guess it may be just inconsiderate boobs wasting other people's time. Now, did someone order 5 pizzas with extra anchovies because there is a pizza man at my door saying that an order was placed.

[Michael Wayne]

We have a nationwide epidemic of cancellations . I have posted major threads on this. look at the archives . no doubt this is happening everywhere with almost every escort. The cancellation rate is approaching the booking rate! http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

[Kevin Slater]

I'm sorry it didn't work out for him, but don't write the city off entirely. There are many wonderful, appreciative and generous clients here in the big apple. Before I moved here I never had an unprofitable stay, but that possibility has to figure into any calculation of where to go and in aggregate, the good trips far outweigh the bad. NYC is just too big a market to leave untapped.

 

As an aside, I hope he took advantage of the many other reasons to find himself here, and enjoyed himself nonetheless.

 

Kevin Slater

[BaronArtz]

The higher the fee, the higher the chance of buyer's remorse. He was promoted initially with the concept of a two-hour minimum. That's steep in this economy, even in an affluent city like NY. In addition, there is more competition now with many new guys entering the business.

[ManToManDave]

Hi Guys,

 

Thanks for all the thoughtful responses. Things have picked up a bit for Jeremy for today (Friday) and tomorrow -- so the trip was not a total disaster, but it still had me, as his agent, biting my fingernails (and tongue!) a lot! LOL Fortunately he was able to incorporate our friend Tim's 2 AdonisLounge events into this trip --which helped a lot. (the "Private Nude Event" tomorrow should be WILD!)

 

I don't mean to bash NYC -- as 12 happy years of my adult life were spent there in the East Village. I am hoping this trip was kinda a fluke, but judging from other comments -- cancellations for visiting escorts seem to be commonplace. Not sure I understand the epidemic -- but it sucks for the reliable clients who miss out on really good traveling escorts, who opt out on trips for this very reason.

 

And BaronArtz: It's true -- for escorts such as Jeremy Walker -- we prefer (but don't demand) a 2-hour minimum, which in the past has helped weed out clients who were unsure/unserious. But, if one of my guys like Jeremy DOES return to NYC (or DC/LA etc) I may have to rethink that policy. Live n learn...

 

Thx, Men!

 

Dave

http://www.ManToManEscorts.com

[uwsman2]

The two hours scared me off. I had been considering it, but it looked like a budget buster for a first-time deal (i.e., I had never been with him before, so the chemistry was uncertain). That's one of the reasons I like to book just an hour, especially if I've never been with the escort before.

 

But had I made an appointment for this week, I would probably have cancelled if it was for Wednesday or later because I had a terrible head cold blossom on Wednesday morning. In my 30+ years of hiring escorts, the only times I've ever cancelled an appointment was when I had booked well in advance and then was sick at the time of the appointment. And I've always tried to cancel as far in advance as I knew that I was unable to do the appointment. The problem with colds is that they can occur suddenly and unexpectedly in the winter, and I'm in a job where I come into contact with lots of people on a daily basis, so the risk is always there. At the moment, at least as far as I can see, NYC is an epidemic of colds with lots of sudden changes in the weather from unseasonably warm to very cold, sometimes in a matter of hours. But if the clients just blow off the appointment without calling to cancel, that's inexcusable.

 

So don't write off NYC entirely, please, but do rethink your minimum booking requirements.

 

Thanks!

[adriano46]

As a client, perhaps a few things have to be considered.

 

There are those clients who, finding themselves in a hotel room for the evening/night, with nothing more on the agenda, and a bit horned up after a day of work, begin surfing and want "instantaneous gratification" -- and believe me, finding any escort on a moment's notice in a BIG city (even NYC) can be dicey. I always check Rentboy to see who has his green light on (being "on line" at the moment and available), but wonder if some guys just leave that on for hours at a time whle they wander (I was once told that an escort "signs in" to activate the light for a certain period of time, say 3 or 4 hours). The same holds true for M4RN (and the ability to actally throw out an ad for someone to come "right now"). I am gun-shy to directly call an escort I have not previously met, and prefer texting as first encounter (or e-mail) and some escorts say up front, "phone calls only" -- which I nderstand to weed out the fakes.

 

But as the evening wears on and I have not found my prince charming (as I shop for a guy by checking this site for reviews and comments, other sites for the same, and then deciding), by the time I find THE guy, it is getting close to 10:00PM, and I have still not eaten, and now my ardor is overcome with fatigue... and this leads a client to cancel. And let's admit another truism... as I am surfing all these photos and ads and checking the guy out, and getting hornier and hornier, and then suddenly OOPS... I explode... do I need to now fork out $250-$300 for a visit when I have already sufficiently spanked the money?

 

Others, who book way in advance have problems that come up that force one to CANCEL on the day itself. Many here who I know are about my age (late 50's) and often care-taking, even at a small distance, a parent, relative, or friend. I cannot count how often in the last year I have had to drop everything and sit for hours in an Emergency Room, or run to a nursing home unexpectedly because of a crisis. Also, I find myself attending far more wakes and funerals than marriages and parties, and these have a way of really impacting my time as the wakes are often out of town and you cannot plan for them.

 

Finally there is the health issue - this IS winter, and while winter this year in NYC has been balmy, flues and viruses and colds have gone around and I have had to take a day or two here and there since December to sit and ride out one or another bug. Nothing serious, but serious enough to forestall a date as KISSING is my #1 priority, and if I cannot KISS (which a cold precludes) the date is off.

 

Cancelling a date with a working guy is shitty in my book, but it does happen. I am not the head of my company, and as I watch friends in the company get laid off (my age group especially) and then the company tells me at the last minute to work late or overtime, well, I say YES to keep myself in contenton for the job rather than stay on that date with Mr Adonis risking later to be without the job; and without the job I have no play money down the line for any Mr. Adonis... period.

[JT Brooklyn]

There's alot of "Cookie's in the Jar" when it comes to Major Markets now due to the Economy mostly.

 

Clients have always been a Fickel Bunch and now their "Tight Wallets" have made it more so......

[RockHard]

NYC has so many men who live here. Why would anyone value a visitor (unless his reputation is proven)? The clock is limited for a visitor, which, IMO, is a psychological/perceptual impediment by default. Who wants to book with an escort who clearly needs to meet with quite a few men in one day and must stick to a strict schedule? Just the thought of that revolving door and ticking clock is a turn-off.

 

If the visitor is truly a superstar, as opposed to the way Donald Trump uses the word "celebrity," then I guess a built-in demand could work. For that level of superstar, I would require a deposit, and I'm sure if a demand truly existed, the men would pay up.

 

PayPal requires too much personal information, and their customer service sucks. If you can't use a credit card, then you get what you give.

 

The key to a lucrative NYC visit is a cheap and inviting roof over your head. Good luck finding that.

 

The two hours scared me off...(i.e., I had never been with him before, so the chemistry was uncertain)

 

A two-hour minimum was a dumb idea. Pure hubris, and maybe a little desperation. Chemistry can be everything on a first-time visit. Imagine the horror of committing to two hours and finding 10 minutes in, it ain't happening.

 

New Yorkers don't want to be told who is a superstar. They want to make that determination for themselves. Once they do, they won't shut up about it.

 

There is a smart way to build a man's reputation in the Big Apple but it wasn't exercised here.

[johnf]

I know it must be irritating to have appointments made, then cancelled. As a client I have never done it, but, at the same time, I can understand "buyer's remorse" as the primary reason for this so-called epidemic.

 

Escort rates have gotten way out-of-whack in terms of the economy. Five years ago a good escort charged $150 to $200. Now the same escort is charging $250 to $300. Yet, in that same 5-year period the rate of inflation is about 9.5%. So that means that some escorts -- at a time when most of us are struggling financially in the Great Recession -- have given themselves a 50% to 100% raise. To me, that's pretty cheeky on their part. To demand two hours at an inflated hourly rate is asking for a high cancellation rate.

 

No wonder a horny guy, after being told to wait on line for a wildly over-priced escort, decides to rethink the transaction with his head, not his cock.

[Midweststudentnyc]

To be frank, the pictures you used to advertise Jeremy were from his 5+ years ago appearances on Randy Blue. That was a clear warning, to me, that his looks/fitness were not what they were. 2+ hours minimum with old pictures and you need to come here and ask us "why"?

[+ glutes]

2+ hours minimum with old pictures and you need to come here and ask us "why"?

 

I concur, but they shouldn't have booked in the first place.

[miaguy290]

Exactly....if the pics are not accurate is a different issue and has nothing to do with why people book appointments and then cancel or no show.

[EZEtoGRU]

To be frank, the pictures you used to advertise Jeremy were from his 5+ years ago appearances on Randy Blue. That was a clear warning, to me, that his looks/fitness were not what they were. 2+ hours minimum with old pictures and you need to come here and ask us "why"?

 

If true that pisc were 5+ years old, that would be disappointing. Any escort (or in this case, agency) that uses photos that are more than 12-18 months old is being dishonest in my book. It really is misrepresenting the person that will be turning up at one's hotel room. If they are willing to mis-represent the appearance, what else has been mis-represented?

 

Unfortunately, this is all too common in the male escorting business. My last three hires from RB (all in LA) were misrepresented by their photos. In one case the photos used were not even of the guy that turned up. In another case, The photos were of the right guy.....who was in good shape when the photos were taken. Unfortunately when he arrived, he was terribly out of shape, had put on nearly 40 lbs, and was verging on having man-boobs.

 

This is why I prefer meeting guys at strip clubs. What you see is what you get. In addition to the advantage of instantly knowing what the accurate appearance is, one can judge the way the guy acts and how he handles himself.

[JT Brooklyn]

NYC has so many men who live here. Why would anyone value a visitor (unless his reputation is proven)? The clock is limited for a visitor, which, IMO, is a psychological/perceptual impediment by default. Who wants to book with an escort who clearly needs to meet with quite a few men in one day and must stick to a strict schedule? Just the thought of that revolving door and ticking clock is a turn-off.

 

If the visitor is truly a superstar, as opposed to the way Donald Trump uses the word "celebrity," then I guess a built-in demand could work. For that level of superstar, I would require a deposit, and I'm sure if a demand truly existed, the men would pay up.

 

PayPal requires too much personal information, and their customer service sucks. If you can't use a credit card, then you get what you give.

 

The key to a lucrative NYC visit is a cheap and inviting roof over your head. Good luck finding that.

 

 

 

A two-hour minimum was a dumb idea. Pure hubris, and maybe a little desperation. Chemistry can be everything on a first-time visit. Imagine the horror of committing to two hours and finding 10 minutes in, it ain't happening.

 

New Yorkers don't want to be told who is a superstar. They want to make that determination for themselves. Once they do, they won't shut up about it.

 

There is a smart way to build a man's reputation in the Big Apple but it wasn't exercised here.

 

 

Totally Agree with RH on all that he has said. "New Yorker's don't want to be told who is a Superstar."

 

"They want to make that determination for themselves" "Once they do,they won't shut up about it."