Mini Driver: $ up front & broken nose?

[Guy Fawkes]

"And Daddy always attempts to solicite a responce."

 

And usually Daddy lets the reviewed escort respond...

[wayout]

"He's taken the first step and taken responsibility" I'd think that would come right after the problem. You say sorry things didn't happen. Here's your money back. Not after it becomes a topic for discussion. Too little…too late. This wouldn't fly (even once) with most of the other escorts. However, no matter what he does I think he'll still be defended by some here because he's considered hot, popular, or something. Love/lust is blind as they say.

 

Yes it is right that taking responsibility should happen right after the wrong but if it doesn't then there is still value in an apology and restitution even after a month or two (even if we believe it was induced by becoming public).

 

I am not defending what he did and did not do, which is obviously wrong and indefensible, but I am only suggesting that having some compassion and a certain amount of forgiveness is something that can help someone get back on track, especially if they take steps to make things right.

[+ overeasy]

Methinks that Noah will, at the very least, have a great deal of work to do to earn back some trust. Too bad; these lessons are painful to both sides.

[Guest greatness]

It's just unfortunate. One of many reasons I don't hire any more.

[JT Brooklyn]

Everyone makes mistakes. However, what one DOES is what matters, not what one SAYS.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

 

Exactly! Hopefully those Out the $$ will report that he did reimburse them?

 

 

I'm not sure NOW after all the discussion of this not being an "isolated incident"...that they will want to just make another appointment?

 

As with all things in "The Wonderful World of the Working Guys"...Time Will Tell.

[MiamiLooker]

It's just unfortunate. One of many reasons I don't hire any more.

 

It's not just unfortunate. Fraud is a crime.

[jimboivyo]

Reality

 

Unlike many on this thread, I've seen Noah. I know Noah. He's a human being like every single one of you and mistakes can be fixed if given the chance. From what I know, he wasn't even sent an email to respond to this review and was shut out by this 'client' when trying to make amends for the accident. I've written him reviews and still think he's one of the best out there, even if this incident might appear otherwise.

 

His broken nose/accident was very real. I got a call from his roommate while he was in the hospital in Austin. We didn't have time scheduled together, but since we talk now and then, he wanted to make sure I was informed of what happened.

 

And whoever brought up BN's name in all of this is just pandering. Get real.

 

Noah will make this right. Based on a lot of responses here, I'm sure none of you have ever made mistakes, cheated on spouses, participated in illegal activity or led less than perfect lives. Noah's young and still learning. Let's let him clean this up.

[seeker630]

BTW: Why didn't Frequentflyer write a review after one of his 4 'good' sessions with Driver?

 

Not to cast a vote for or against the credibility of the review, but in my experience in other contexts, people are more likely to provide feedback if they've had a negative experience than if they've had a positive one. Anger or a sense of having been cheated seem to be better motivators.

[Guest greatness]

Well nobody is perfect and everybody makes mistakes once in a while. My statement about "It's just unfortunate" is that similar things happen a lot. I'm not being judgmental or anything. It just makes me sad.

 

I'm sure none of you have ever made mistakes, cheated on spouses, participated in illegal activity or led less than perfect lives. Noah's young and still learning. Let's let him clean this up.

[+ purplekow]

I have not hired Noah and now will not. One accident related non refunded money is one thing. Here we have one strike, two strikes three strikes. You are out. Good luck to the next group that allows him to come to bat.

[rossthebosssf]

A little annoyed

 

While I feel bad for the reviewer as well as the other board members who have been cheated out of their money...well, not really, I'd never pay an escort upfront. I'm most annoyed that this reviewer as well as the couple of board members say they have had positive experiences with Noah Driver but never bothered to leave any review until something went wrong (I'm just speculating). While I appreciate the warning of possible danger, I would appreciate it more if participants took the time to share their positive experiences for the sake of other hobbyists and for the escorts who are trying to make it in this career. It also helps offset the weight of a negative review if there's several positive reviews (hopefully by established more than 3+ review reviewers). Some of these escorts on Daddy's only have a negative review yet continue to work. I'm sure they have many of happy clients otherwise we'd see a lot more. I guess most folks tend to think negative I guess.

 

Back to Noah though, I doubt he'll be able to repay his disgruntled clients anytime soon, however, he should offer to reschedule his visits and offer some extra time to offset any and all inconvenience. Perhaps for some clients the damage is irreparable, but the gesture can go a long ways. My only hope that some much, much bigger problem isn't going on. Taking money, no-showing, hmmmmmm....sounds like a bad party habit getting worse if you know what I mean.

[OneFinger]

What is a Crime?

 

It's not just unfortunate. Fraud is a crime.

Hiring escorts is also a crime (assuming that hiring includes conjugating the verb).

 

It is unfortunate that there appears to be multiple clients left without compensation. But, I'm not sure a crime was committed by the escort because the "theft" of money was precipitated by the client trying to perform an illegal act.

 

Any legal beagles want to render an opinion?

[lrbigdicktaker]

While I feel bad for the reviewer as well as the other board members who have been cheated out of their money...well, not really, I'd never pay an escort upfront.

This goes back to the whole trust deal. The client had been with the escort before, so your trust level goes way up.

 

I'm most annoyed that this reviewer as well as the couple of board members say they have had positive experiences with Noah Driver but never bothered to leave any review until something went wrong (I'm just speculating). While I appreciate the warning of possible danger, I would appreciate it more if participants took the time to share their positive experiences for the sake of other hobbyists and for the escorts who are trying to make it in this career. It also helps offset the weight of a negative review if there's several positive reviews (hopefully by established more than 3+ review reviewers).

I think a negative review counts as something like the escort had bad hygiene or was late to the appointment and didn't care about the session.

 

I would like to see know how many reviews it takes to offset, "Hey, the escort took my $2,500.00 and didn't show up". and three other complains of a similar nature all in the same time frame.

 

On the flip side, I pay an escort to make me happy. If he has a million good reviews, I'm not going to review him. If the escort goes out of his way to make me happy, then he deserves a review. If an escort has no reviews, I might write a review. If he pisses me off, damn right I am going to go out of my way to make sure everyone knows.

[rossthebosssf]

On the flip side, I pay an escort to make me happy. If he has a million good reviews, I'm not going to review him. If the escort goes out of his way to make me happy, then he deserves a review. If an escort has no reviews, I might write a review. If he pisses me off, damn right I am going to go out of my way to make sure everyone knows.

 

Fair enough.

 

Now here's a question for the members at large. How many of you use reviews to predict an experience and how man of you use reviews just to validate that the escort is who they say they are in their ads? If the latter, I think it would be great if members could at least validate that the escort is real and looks like they do in their pics even if they don't want to write a full review. While I guess that's what the MB is for, it's not a useful tool to the majority of clients who only read the review section that might be linked to a particular escort's profile. Personally, I'm pretty objective when it comes to hiring and I really don't care that they did this and this and blah, blah, blah. I just want to know that the pics and stats are recent and accurate. From there I like to meet and formulate my own opinions. In the beginning when I used to hire I started going in with expectations seeded by reviews I read vs. an organic erotic experience. Perhaps I stand alone here, but I'm just saying what I think. I hope it makes sense.

[Guest mineallmine]

Scammed Long Before all This

 

Daddys Sez: Please don't post reviews in the Message Center.

[jimboivyo]

Interesting how all of these new user handles are popping up just to bash- Reeks of petty bullshit to me. However, it's nice to finally see someone from management step in and try to curb check this crap. Now if they'd only let Noah write a proper response to this review.

 

Frankly, most of the folks who responded in the negative were never going to hire Noah anyway, so it's not really an issue. Those of us who know that he's not a bad guy or a thief will continue to see him as we always have. I've talked with him at length about this already and there's a solution in the pipeline.

[justaguy]

I have to agree with pk--once, a mistake but more is not good. What would help here, at least from my perspective, is not to here that a 'solution is in the pipeline' but that a solution was reached.

[MiamiLooker]

This goes back to the whole trust deal. The client had been with the escort before, so your trust level goes way up.

 

I wonder how many clients in this situation where their trust has been taken advantage of would want to continue to see the escort. I could probably forgive but I don't think I'd find the escort sexy anymore.

[AdamSmith]

This goes back to the whole trust deal. The client had been with the escort before, so your trust level goes way up.

 

Dante reserved the lowest circle of Hell for those who betrayed friends.

 

http://danteworlds.laits.utexas.edu/circle9.html

[Guest mineallmine]

Not Bullshit...Just New

 

While I would tend to agree with all the "new handles" I would disagree with the petty bullshit. I do already have reviews on both daddy's and MER. I used to post in the forums at MER. Not to mention as stated I have the email communication and lack there of from Noah sitting in my inbox. Did I fabricate all that? I only recently joined the forums here after they were pointed out to me and saw this thread.

 

Frankly I DID hire Noah for a weekend and he was unable to attend. I was more then understanding about that fact and when tried to fix it afterwards I was ignored. Though in your long talks with Noah...did he forget to mention this event. I some how think so!

 

Interesting how all of these new user handles are popping up just to bash- Reeks of petty bullshit to me. However, it's nice to finally see someone from management step in and try to curb check this crap. Now if they'd only let Noah write a proper response to this review.

 

Frankly, most of the folks who responded in the negative were never going to hire Noah anyway, so it's not really an issue. Those of us who know that he's not a bad guy or a thief will continue to see him as we always have. I've talked with him at length about this already and there's a solution in the pipeline.

[+ purplekow]

Frankly, most of the folks who responded in the negative were never going to hire Noah anyway, so it's not really an issue. Those of us who know that he's not a bad guy or a thief will continue to see him as we always have. I've talked with him at length about this already and there's a solution in the pipeline.

 

I believe it is something like 10 people are told about an exerience by an unhappy customer and 3 are told by a happy customer which is used as some sort of rule of thumb in dealing with the public. Perhaps that is an old wives tale. In any case, although some who posted here were never likely to hire Mr. Driver, most of the posters here have long memories and the next time he appears in their town well the word of mouth on the street might initially be as positive as it otherwise might be due to a vague recollection of something not being right or a clear memory of this event. To discount non hirers as non important is a mistake.

[Epigonos]

I find this thread very sad and it confirms a concern I have always had regarding VERY young escorts. Many of the young guys in their late teens and early twenties go into escorting right out of high school or during the early stages of their college education. They do not have an established life style, a separate means of making a living or real goals for their future. Unfortunately they frequently end up with a drug problem. The exception to the above is, of course, the college escort, who know that he is financing his college/university education and is looking forward to a future in a specific profession.

I have found that the most grounded and focused escorts with whom I have dealt over the last seven or eight years are older guys who have had all sorts of different occupations and life experiences prior to becoming an escort. They know where they have been and where they are going. Though they may not have the body of a twenty year old they are generally more reliable and less likely to have other psychological problems.

[instudiocity]

It's not just unfortunate. Fraud is a crime.

Solicitation for Prostitution and Patronizing a Prostitute are not crimes?

[instudiocity]

Back to Noah though, I doubt he'll be able to repay his disgruntled clients anytime soon, however, he should offer to reschedule his visits and offer some extra time to offset any and all inconvenience. Perhaps for some clients the damage is irreparable, but the gesture can go a long ways. My only hope that some much, much bigger problem isn't going on. Taking money, no-showing, hmmmmmm....sounds like a bad party habit getting worse if you know what I mean.

It would be interesting to know if Noah has the CASH to reimburse these clients after his accident, loss of work, etc. Maybe re-offering his services for free is an option but then he's out money to pay current expenses. He may need a work out so that he can get his head above water.

[Bart]

First, I have been approached by several newer escorts after booking about the notion of advancing them some of the funds. One which I did review, my only negative to date the other I just side step as he was looking for the offer, but I never made it. In each of these cases I declined and is usually the case I do not have the money at hand until shortly before the meeting. Now I have not been approached by any of the gentlemen I have seen several times for advances. I think it would have to be a very very compelling situation for me to do so. I can certainly understand in this case the client who had the review considering the request. This business is built on trust in many facets.

 

 

Second, I tend to think I would have declined but I wonder if this would have damaged the trust level on both parties level. In fact I am fairly certain I would cancel the meeting and ask that he not contact me again. Gentlemen here on numerous occassions have stated that they should be treated as professionals and as such should not dicker with prices unless the gentlemen proposes some sort of negotiation. I think it is not appropriate for a business transaction that an advance be requested when it was not part of the original agreement. I am not so naive to note that "negotiations" can change even after the point of when both parties have arrived, but I just think it is bad form to do so.

 

Even with several long-term gentlemen especially where the length changes from time-to-time, I dont like arriving without the money situation clearly known ahead of time. I let this happen once and the gentlemen and I no longer speak because I felt the level of trust regarding the amount had been abused and I was being taken advantage of. So despite the long-term relationship things change. Sometimes long-term clients who paid with a check bounce one, if quickly handled okay but if not then that is why gentlemen change and no longer accept checks. The issue was not new client but long-term so I know things happen on both ends.