Massage on the bed.

[d.anders]

Mark Alvee has a new video out showing a bed massage in a hotel.

This is a good visual example of how difficult this bed method is. Keep in mind that both Mark and the masseur are not tall guys. You can see the little room that exists for a therapist to do competent work. Also, notice the length of time the masseur is on his knees. And when he's not on his knees, he's bent over, dealing with the strain on his back muscles. Certainly, if you want to feign bed sex as the customer, a bed massage might get your fantasy somewhere close. There is no way I can do the head on a pillow anymore, thanks to older age. I need a headrest, so a bed massage is a no for me.

[BuffaloKyle]

It looks like you'd be better off putting some comforters down and just laying flat on the floor.

[starman05]

No table with head rest is a dealbreaker for me

 

 

[jeezifonly]

At one time I might have accepted this practice.

…but then I had a table massage 37 years ago and have never turned back. 

[+ glutes]

Some practitioners do know how to make it work.

Pasha in NYC is one of them.

https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/44953/

Edited December 31, 2023 by glutes

[d.anders]

1 hour ago, BuffaloKyle said:

It looks like you'd be better off putting some comforters down and just laying flat on the floor.

For many years I used a padded exercise mat neatly covered with a bed sheet on the floor. My floors are poly-ed wood. The mat was fine for me (when my skeleton was in better shape), but I felt sorry for the therapist. I went out and bought knee pads. I'm probably revealing my identity by saying I offered my outcall masseurs kneepads. I have to say those floor massages were mostly fun for me. Almost every one of those guys easily managed to sit on my face during the service.

[d.anders]

2 minutes ago, glutes said:

Some practitioners do know how to make it work.

The yogi guys seem to have incredible flexibility, and can withstand these awkward body positions for lengthy period of times. Many Asian guys can do things with their bodies that I could never do. Squatting comes so easy for many of them. Some of my best bed massages were performed by Asian masseurs. I do miss those days.

[la_connor]

Serious question: Are there providers who massage on a bed and expect it to remain purely therapeutic?

 

[Simon Suraci]

3 hours ago, d.anders said:

You can see the little room that exists for a therapist to do competent work.

^My first point to clients insisting on outcall hotel massages to persuade them to visit my studio only 10-15 mins away. Since standard American hotel rooms do not have clear space for a table and working room, a lot of times I have to say no. European hotels are even tighter. Some Mexican hotels are more spacious. Some hotel suites (anywhere) have space, but that’s way less common a client has a suite.

3 hours ago, d.anders said:

notice the length of time the masseur is on his knees. And when he's not on his knees, he's bent over, dealing with the strain on his back muscles.

I refuse to do bed massages primarily for this reason. It’s so hard on my body. It’s also a fraction of the quality of my regular table massages. If those reasons weren’t enough, clients can’t seem to understand or respect the boundaries between SW and massage. I’ll get on the bed with you if you pay my rates for that. I’m not offering discount SW for a client feigning he only wants a massage and insists on massage pricing and then pressures me into providing a lot more than massage in person.

3 hours ago, d.anders said:

There is no way I can do the head on a pillow anymore, thanks to older age. I need a headrest, so a bed massage is a no for me.

Most clients do very well with a properly adjusted headrest. A few of my clients insist on laying their head on their side under their arms/hands or use a pillow for whatever reasons from claustrophobia, to fear of nasal drip, to desire to look at me while face down, to bad habit. It’s terrible because their back and neck are prevented from being in a neutral position so I can’t properly massage some of their muscles, and for other muscles it’s strained at best. I can’t fold their arms down comfortably onto my arm shelf either which makes my arm massage less comprehensive, and less deep. And it’s less comfortable.

One client needed a pillow for health reasons - congestive heart failure. He had to tilt up for safety. I respect that and work around it.

2 hours ago, d.anders said:

I offered my outcall masseurs kneepads.

This might send the wrong message lol! For christsake, just hire for escort service and use a bed…

1 hour ago, la_connor said:

Serious question: Are there providers who massage on a bed and expect it to remain purely therapeutic?

No. The others are either kidding themselves or killing themselves trying to give an actual good massage on a hotel bed. It’s possible, but difficult and not as good for the client as a proper table and fucks up the masseur’s body, regardless of what body type he has or his ethnicity.

Nothing wrong with getting a sensual massage ‘scene’ that leads into whatever sexual ending you want, but clients please be honest with yourselves and pay your guy appropriately for what service you’re actually hiring (and expecting).

When you actually want a good massage, ask for your masseur to perform it on a table. You owe it to yourself to treat yourself to quality. Don’t settle. Even erotic massages are best done on a professional table. For the lazy/cheap/uninformed/time crunched hotel visitor…plan your time ahead, and get your ass in an Uber to your masseur’s incall location. It’s better for you because you get quality. And it’s better for your masseur because he can offer better service and not kill his body.

@Jamie1 I know you offer outcall floor and bed massages, but this is one of the few differences you and I have in how we are willing to work. How does it affect your body? Can you give an equally good massage this way vs a table?

[starman05]

I’d prefer an hour of being a little spoon to someone’s big spoon in a bed rather that get a bed massage. It be stress relieving and plenty intimate 

[+ The Big Guy]

I have been to several masseurs that have both a table and bed available making for a nice transition at the appropriate time.   I agree that a bed massage is not ideal.  

[Jamie21]

10 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

@Jamie1 I know you offer outcall floor and bed massages, but this is one of the few differences you and I have in how we are willing to work. How does it affect your body? Can you give an equally good massage this way vs a table?

Yes I offer bed massage on out call. I’ll recommend the table though because in my opinion it’s a better massage but if the client’s hotel room doesn’t have space or they specifically want a bed massage then that’s fine, I’ll do it on the bed. It’s their massage so their call. 

I’ve techniques I use for the bed such as I’ll usually lay the client across the bed rather than the usual up /down sleeping position so I can stand to massage their head and feet. I put the pillows in a v position under his chest so he can have his head in a natural straight position while I massage his shoulders for example. I’ll also use my feet to do some of the massage which is more possible to do on the bed than it is the table. 

I do yoga so I’m quite flexible and climbing over the client and kneeling / bending is ok for me. In my studio I offer massage on a futon which is very similar to bed massage. Some clients prefer the futon because of the increased level of intimacy and body contact. Also overweight clients tend to prefer the Futon than the table because they have more space. On the futon there’s space for me to move around and over the client and I tend to use a lot more body contact earlier on in the massage. 

I do have a few outcall clients who like to start on the table and then move to the bed during the session which works well because they get both experiences. 

I don’t have a hard line on the difference between the services (masseur / escort). I won’t explain why here because it’s off topic but I agree with you @Simon Suraci , clients who specifically ask for bed massage tend to expect it to be more like an escort session. 
 

 

[d.anders]

14 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

clients can’t seem to understand or respect the boundaries between SW and massage. I’ll get on the bed with you if you pay my rates for that. I’m not offering discount SW for a client feigning he only wants a massage and insists on massage pricing and then pressures me into providing a lot more than massage in person.

LOL. It took me a minute to figure out what SW meant. Brain fart. A board like this reminds us that no two clients are alike. The same is true for masseurs. There are a percentage of customers who always want something for nothing. Who doesn't love a freebie or a deal? I'm sure some horny gay guys live a selfish life, and when they book a massage off one of these sites, they most certainly are seeking SW any way they can get it, as cheaply as possible. The masseur has to decide how he wants to handle a customer like this. Do you provide a price list? Do you reject old grabby hands every five seconds? Or do you sit on that gorgeous hard-on and satisfy that bottom urge you've had all day? Speaking honestly, I never booked a massage looking for penetration. I was always prepared for aggressive glute work, but penetration was last on my mind. That is, until I discovered the unspoken desire of some masseurs. Certain masseurs know how to seduce us into spending more money, even if it means a chance increase in tip. The guys who were generous sharing their body smells with me certainly left my apartment richer.

It's a jungle out there, and we all have to figure out a way to navigate. I always believed that good communication was key, but now in these text-only digital days, it's getting more and more difficult to go beyond one or two words, or can't text at all. Sadly, I don't know what the answer is anymore.

[Harryinny]

In-call bed massages have the risk of bed bugs and other things!

[Simon Suraci]

14 hours ago, starman05 said:

I’d prefer an hour of being a little spoon to someone’s big spoon in a bed rather that get a bed massage. It be stress relieving and plenty intimate 

I specifically offer this as a service. I call it cuddle therapy. It’s intentionally not sex or sexual, just a calm, intimate, body to body experience for those who want that part and don’t need the sex part and don’t want to pay my escort fee. Very few people book this but some do really enjoy it. I’ve had some curious straight guys enjoy this low pressure situation, and some gentleman who didn’t want sex or massage for whatever reason but really needed the touch and intimacy. It’s a beautiful thing.

13 hours ago, The Big Guy said:

I have been to several masseurs that have both a table and bed available making for a nice transition at the appropriate time.   I agree that a bed massage is not ideal.

I am one of these masseurs, and it makes a lot of sense. It’s more comfortable and the client gets the best of both. I offer a massage / sex work combo service and price it accordingly.

Then I have my escort rates which typically do not include massage, but can at times include a massage “scene” where the client wants and understands the fantasy context and doesn’t expect a significant amount of serious massage time or high quality therapy. The focus here is arousal and basically foreplay rather than actually trying to work the muscle groups for therapeutic purposes.

I break it all out in these ways so that clients can know and get exactly what they want and pay appropriately for each service. It’s pretty clear with me what you’re getting. That’s why I get all bothered when clients book a lower priced service and expect/demand a higher price level of service. It’s not about me being able or willing to provide. It’s about them respecting me. I want clients to value my respective services accordingly.

 

[starman05]

4 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

I specifically offer this as a service. I call it cuddle therapy. It’s intentionally not sex or sexual, just a calm, intimate, body to body experience for those who want that part and don’t need the sex part and don’t want to pay my escort fee. Very few people book this but some do really enjoy it. I’ve had some curious straight guys enjoy this low pressure situation, and some gentleman who didn’t want sex or massage for whatever reason but really needed the touch and intimacy. It’s a beautiful thing.

I am one of these masseurs, and it makes a lot of sense. It’s more comfortable and the client gets the best of both. I offer a massage / sex work combo service and price it accordingly.

Then I have my escort rates which typically do not include massage, but can at times include a massage “scene” where the client wants and understands the fantasy context and doesn’t expect a significant amount of serious massage time or high quality therapy. The focus here is arousal and basically foreplay rather than actually trying to work the muscle groups for therapeutic purposes.

I break it all out in these ways so that clients can know and get exactly what they want and pay appropriately for each service. It’s pretty clear with me what you’re getting. That’s why I get all bothered when clients book a lower priced service and expect/demand a higher price level of service. It’s not about me being able or willing to provide. It’s about them respecting me. I want clients to value my respective services accordingly.

 

hey Simon, if I ever make it down to San Diego (maybe Comic Con?) I may reach out for more info. 

I've had spooning sessions before but providers have either retired or I lost touch (no pun intended) with them after covid.

A convincing 'Everything's going to be all right' whispered into my ear at the right moment would be icing on the cake. 

thanks

Starman

[Simon Suraci]

2 minutes ago, starman05 said:

hey Simon, if I ever make it down to San Diego (maybe Comic Con?) I may reach out for more info. 

Of course @starman05. You know where to find me! 

Comic Con is a blast. San Diego is great any time of the year.