On what grounds can clients be reported on RM?

[procheck]

If I have a client who sets up a time and place to meet, and doesn't show up, or sends me to the wrong address, or who otherwise messes with me...

What are the consequences? Has anyone here had any luck holding them accountable via RM?

It seems like there should be a mechanism to get people like this banned from the website. 

Or a forum for providers to post about these clients by their usernames - to warn each other and hold them accountable.

 

Edited June 8, 2023 by procheck

[Colton]

This sucks, but these are issues that many businesses face.  Even back in the 80s, people would call in a pizza delivery order and send an order to a prank address.  
 

I think the fool me once, shame on you, fools me twice, shame on me tule applies.  
 

Have you tried working with RM to get the user banned?

[procheck]

4 minutes ago, Colton said:

This sucks, but these are issues that many businesses face.  Even back in the 80s, people would call in a pizza delivery order and send an order to a prank address.  
 

I think the fool me once, shame on you, fools me twice, shame on me tule applies.  
 

Have you tried working with RM to get the user banned?

I haven't, because 1) I don't know how RM will respond and I fear getting on their bad side and losing my ad and then screwing over this very important income stream of mine and 2) I fear stirring the pot with the client in question and dealing with more games/backlash/having them trying to get me banned and then screwing up my income stream.

It's frustrating not having the ability to stand up for yourself beyond a certain point for fear of losing your ability to work your job. But these guys don't have anything at stake and don't face any consequences.

[+ DynamicUno]

You can certainly report a user on RM if they're being abusive in some way.  You also have the option of blocking the user, as well.  It's not perfect, but you certainly don't have to keep dealing with someone who is jerking you around.

[procheck]

4 minutes ago, DynamicUno said:

You can certainly report a user on RM if they're being abusive in some way.  You also have the option of blocking the user, as well.  It's not perfect, but you certainly don't have to keep dealing with someone who is jerking you around.

When I try to look at RM's user reporting policy, I'm not finding what they consider to be valid grounds for reporting, or a description of how they go about ascertaining the validity of someone's claims. 

Which makes me balk, because I don't want to go down a road that attracts negative attention to myself or invokes the ire of the offending client, when I don't even know what to expect of RM's response. It also makes me wonder how easy it would be for a vengeful client to shut down a provider's ad in retaliation, or to play games. And it makes me not want to report or reach out to RM at all. 

[SirBillybob]

On the fairgrounds. 

[SirBillybob]

25 minutes ago, procheck said:

When I try to look at RM's user reporting policy, I'm not finding what they consider to be valid grounds for reporting, or a description of how they go about ascertaining the validity of someone's claims. 

Which makes me balk, because I don't want to go down a road that attracts negative attention to myself or invokes the ire of the offending client, when I don't even know what to expect of RM's response. It also makes me wonder how easy it would be for a vengeful client to shut down a provider's ad in retaliation, or to play games. And it makes me not want to report or reach out to RM at all. 

Damned if do or don’t. Is the central question your fiduciary sense in relation to peers that might get similarly burned?

[+ DynamicUno]

34 minutes ago, procheck said:

When I try to look at RM's user reporting policy, I'm not finding what they consider to be valid grounds for reporting, or a description of how they go about ascertaining the validity of someone's claims. 

Which makes me balk, because I don't want to go down a road that attracts negative attention to myself or invokes the ire of the offending client, when I don't even know what to expect of RM's response. It also makes me wonder how easy it would be for a vengeful client to shut down a provider's ad in retaliation, or to play games. And it makes me not want to report or reach out to RM at all. 

I understand wanting to avoid unnecessary conflict.  If you don't think reporting the user is an option, I'd say block them in RM, and flag any phone numbers they have used to contact you to ignore.

If a user on RM has no intent of ever hiring you in good faith, why should you worry about them being upset if you don't play their games?

Edited June 8, 2023 by DynamicUno

[Shawn Monroe]

And this is why I don’t take appointments off RM itself, and I much prefer communication by phone or email. 

[+ nycman]

I know it’s frustrating but…..

[+ DrownedBoy]

You can report it to RM, but there's no guarantee they'll do anything.

The only time I reported someone was when they walked into my place, took my money, and walked right out without doing anything. They had blocked their RM ad, but RM allowed me to give him a 1-star review for his first entry. His RM career was thus hobbled early on.

When escorts don't show up, RM doesn't care - I'd suggest you post a warning here at Company of Men.

The only other reason I'd report an escort to RM, besides outright theft, is if they threaten bodily harm. (Without being asked, at least).

[+ ThroatCummer]

The sad reality is that you are a privately run business offering a service. 

The only true "customer ban list" successfully implemented that works is in the airline industry, and even that is semi-supported by the government. Businesses (from Amazon.com down to the local corner coffee shop) can choose to ban a customer because the customer committed fraud or did something bad to the business. But Walmart or Target or the other corner coffee shop, or the other local bakery across town have zero interest in banning that same person just because their competition had a bad experience. That's not *their* experience. They don't have any with that person yet, so it really is all about the money.

Even in the event of a customer blacklist, the customer here can create a new persona and get a new phone number or e-mail address. RentMen could ban the IP address, but there are VPN workarounds for that as well. 

There are apps that escorts use to write reviews on customers, so you should look into that if you don't already know. They're not bulletproof, but they work decently as part of a more holistic approach to screening. 

Chalk this one up and move on, you did the best you could. There are really awesome clients out there. You'll find many, but every once in a while you get suckered into a bad situation, which is just the cost of doing business. 

Good luck! 

[marylander1940]

On 6/8/2023 at 9:40 AM, procheck said:

If I have a client who sets up a time and place to meet, and doesn't show up, or sends me to the wrong address, or who otherwise messes with me...

What are the consequences? Has anyone here had any luck holding them accountable via RM?

It seems like there should be a mechanism to get people like this banned from the website. 

Or a forum for providers to post about these clients by their usernames - to warn each other and hold them accountable.

 

Whatever happens and even with screenshots of texts, RM won't do anything. 

In this era of burner apps we're all anonymous, fortunately and unfortunately.

Even if his banned he'll find a way back into RM. 

[marylander1940]

15 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

You can report it to RM, but there's no guarantee they'll do anything.

The only time I reported someone was when they walked into my place, took my money, and walked right out without doing anything. They had blocked their RM ad, but RM allowed me to give him a 1-star review for his first entry. His RM career was thus hobbled early on.

When escorts don't show up, RM doesn't care - I'd suggest you post a warning here at Company of Men.

The only other reason I'd report an escort to RM, besides outright theft, is if they threaten bodily harm. (Without being asked, at least).

Is easier to report and get banned an escort because they usually pay with a CC that includes their name. I'm surprised you were able to get him banned for good because as much as we trust your opinion it was a HE says versus HE says situation. 

I'm glad to got rid of that scammer! 

[DWnyc]

It’s one of the few areas where clients have the upper hand in this business. 

No one cares about a clients brand - if there’s a problem they can create a new profile, get a burner number etc and no one will be the wiser, 

harder for a provider where accumulated value is based on reputation, branding etc 

 

[Pd1_jap]

If you could figure out a way to forcibly remove the anonymity from the general public and maintain a list of bad apples. Then every government, corporation, and industry would be banging down your door! 

On another note, I have had guys from hookup apps send me to dead end alleys, random houses in the middle of the night, gyms, Walmarts🤢, and in each case they block me. The amount of time I have wasted getting fooled by catfish on the Internet is absurd. 

I sympathize with you a great deal on this issue. Here's some general rules I follow to keep these losers from wasting your time.

1. Do not get angry! Getting angry is like swallowing poison and expecting the other person will die.

2. Never commit unless you have an address. Verify the address is a real home/hotel on Google maps. 

3. Try and get a sense of the person you're dealing with. Ask leading questions. Be polite and professional. Trust your instincts and if the vibe is off then bounce.

4. Most of these assholes live for the thrill of making you lose your cool and break down. Don't give them the satisfaction. Grace transcends misery. 

5. If this income stream is important to you then invest your business. There are several VOIP virtual assistants you can pay for that are relatively inexpensive. You can even automate some of the basic questions.

I hope this helps. 

Remember, deep breaths and grace above all else.

[+ DrownedBoy]

7 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

Is easier to report and get banned an escort because they usually pay with a CC that includes their name. I'm surprised you were able to get him banned for good because as much as we trust your opinion it was a HE says versus HE says situation. 

I'm glad to got rid of that scammer! 

I didn't get the escort banned, nor do I think I could (in this situation).

I did get to make sure his first review was a dud. Few takers for an escort whose only review is a 1-star.

He left of his own accord.

[+ Tygerscent]

20 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

@Tygerscent

I’m never put off by others traveling through or fearful of competition in my market. I feel no need to raise or lower rates. I get enough clients to keep me busy working. Let the other guys get the business from clients to whom they most appeal. I can’t be them, but they also can’t be me.

The people who want to see me want me specifically. I’m not the hottest or youngest, most muscular, or whatever other quality you want to apply, but I have my own unique appeal that others can’t offer. Surprise, surprise, some of those qualities aren’t based on looks either, although I acknowledge looks matter quite a lot. In that sense providers are not a commodity.

As long as you don’t charge extremely high or extremely low rates, clients choose you because of your particular appeal to them.

That’s not to say nobody compares rates and that rates do not affect hiring decisions. BUT if rates are relatively close in a given market, it doesn’t influence the client that much because his priority is a good experience, not a slightly cheaper one.

A great experience for the going rate = perfect contentment.

A great experience for a lower than average price = bonus, elation!

A bad experience at a lower than average price = regret.

A bad experience at a higher than average price = resentment.

A client looking for a bargain is not a client I want anyway. I value quality matches over quantity. Let the other guy have the bargain business. I feel empowered saying no and not feeling like I have to undercut to make my living.

The sweet spot is confidently saying no to a minority of inquiries. If you say yes to everyone all the time, you’re doing something wrong. When you’re having to say no to most everyone, it’s also a sign you’re doing something wrong with your business model.

 Yes… It’s provider has their own unique qualities that are of interest to any given number of Clients~ peoples tastes change over time and they can’t even like different things depending on the day of the week. Sometimes it something rough and gritty and other times it’s sweet and romantic. Our needs change~   
 I think the reason other providers use whatever means to establish their own rates is because in this country providers are not allowed to show their rates due to recent human trafficking laws set in place the last six to eight years or so.  
 Outside of the states, it is possible to both list and see peoples rates. RM isn’t allowed to show them in the states.  
  I get a lot of inquiries from clients, asking me if they consider something to be an extravagant rate. ($600/$800 per hour w/restrictions and possibly more with “add-on’s”)… You could fly somewhere and get the same thing cheaper and hire for the weekend even with hotel and food~   
  A lot of times guys in Florida seem to request ridiculously high rates. Also, I hear that there’s a lot of cafeteria style pricing there… If you want a certain service it is a certain rate and if you want something extra then you have to pay for that.  
 The further, we get away from legalizing the profession, the less safe and more unpredictable it becomes in terms of risk and health.  
  I myself would love to see the adult industry decriminalized and considered a legal profession~ Tax it properly and allow for public pricing and different services that can be charged accordingly~ The service fees will fluctuate more naturally with the economy~ Also, then provision could be made for retirement strategies/plans and healthcare plans applicable~

Edited June 10, 2023 by Tygerscent

[italianboyph]

This has happen to me a couple times and I've reported their profiles, some people just like the games

[+ Tygerscent]

On 6/10/2023 at 3:26 PM, Tygerscent said:

 Yes… It’s provider has their own unique qualities that are of interest to any given number of Clients~ peoples tastes change over time and they can’t even like different things depending on the day of the week. Sometimes it something rough and gritty and other times it’s sweet and romantic. Our needs change~   
 I think the reason other providers use whatever means to establish their own rates is because in this country providers are not allowed to show their rates due to recent human trafficking laws set in place the last six to eight years or so.  
 Outside of the states, it is possible to both list and see peoples rates. RM isn’t allowed to show them in the states.  
  I get a lot of inquiries from clients, asking me if they consider something to be an extravagant rate. ($600/$800 per hour w/restrictions and possibly more with “add-on’s”)… You could fly somewhere and get the same thing cheaper and hire for the weekend even with hotel and food~   
  A lot of times guys in Florida seem to request ridiculously high rates. Also, I hear that there’s a lot of cafeteria style pricing there… If you want a certain service it is a certain rate and if you want something extra then you have to pay for that.  
 The further, we get away from legalizing the profession, the less safe and more unpredictable it becomes in terms of risk and health.  
  I myself would love to see the adult industry decriminalized and considered a legal profession~ Tax it properly and allow for public pricing and different services that can be charged accordingly~ The service fees will fluctuate more naturally with the economy~ Also, then provision could be made for retirement strategies/plans and healthcare plans applicable~

Oops… sorry for the spelling errors. I go through and correct them but then sometimes even as I’m correcting them spell corruption changes when I’m writing. Sorry about that~ A lax in the 24 hour edit law would be really nice~