Coming Soon: Master Threads

[RadioRob]

One of the biggest challenges that I've observed over the years is the number of "411" threads on a specific person.  There are times we could have anywhere from 3-12 on a single person!  This could happen for different reasons...  such as someone not knowing how to use the search function or the provider had changed their name.  

When we eventually launch the new review site, when a new item is added... a forum topic will automatically be created for that place/person.  It will have a subject of:

[ Category ] Item Name 

So for example, it might look like:

[ Escort ] John Doe

The first post inside of that topic will contain fields from the review (I can pick which fields get brought over so not all may be posted).  The goal will be that the topic will become the master topic about discussion about that item (person/place).  

Over time...  if we see information that changes about the item, people will be able to report it so that it can be updated.  So if an escort changes their name for example, someone would report that record and provide the new name.  A moderator will be able to update the item.  They'll also be able to add the old name to a special field called "Former Names".  This will let us to better track those who change their names from time to time.  

Inside the review record, it might look something like:

If other things change, that can be updated in the record itself.  

All of the detail from that record anytime it is edited would also sync to the master thread and edit the first post in it with the updated info, including the topic title if there was a a name change involved.  

Now... I'm going to put this out there now that moderators may from time to time not publish a name change in the "Former Names" field.  If we have reason to believe there is a risk to the person or there is another legitimate reason, we may update the name field only without adding the old name to the former name field.  

This will hopefully allow the first post to contain all of the latest known info about each item as it gets changed over time without needing to update 500 places.  If it works out the way I'm hoping, this will become the "source of truth" about the item and people can comment over time with their own observations, etc.  The topic itself would not be used for reviews.  (That's what the review system is for.) But general discussion about the person would happen there.

Eventually if someone does post a new thread about someone where a master topic exists, the moderators may end up merging that post into the master.

This is obviously not in place yet.  I'm just tossing the idea out there now so folks have a chance to comment on it and get used to the idea.  

 

[BuffaloKyle]

19 minutes ago, RadioRob said:

One of the biggest challenges that I've observed over the years is the number of "411" threads on a specific person.  There are times we could have anywhere from 3-12 on a single person!  This could happen for different reasons...  such as someone not knowing how to use the search function or the provider had changed their name.  

I've had to start a new thread on a provider as well if an older thread on them has been locked due to the 2 year reply rule.

[MikeThomas]

At one time, as I recall, it was suggested by various members that there should be separate threads for a provider based on city.  I never understood this rationale.  Good direction you are going in.

[RadioRob]

28 minutes ago, BuffaloKyle said:

I've had to start a new thread on a provider as well if an older thread on them has been locked due to the 2 year reply rule.

Hopefully with all activity in one thread, it will be less likely to fall into that two year with zero activity.  However Admins can bypass the 2 year reply rule...  just likely an admin can reply in a locked topic, we can reply in a 2 year reply lock topic as well.  If we bump it, that two year counter is reset and anyone at that point can reply.  If it ends up being something we run into frequently following the launch of Master Threads, I can look at making that entire forum exempt from the check.  

[MikeH10]

this sounds like a great improvement to make the search experience easier as well, deduplicating & consolidating the desired info in one thread

thanks for all the work you do on this site!

[CuriousByNature]

2 hours ago, BuffaloKyle said:

I've had to start a new thread on a provider as well if an older thread on them has been locked due to the 2 year reply rule.

I've started a new thread when one already exists for two main reasons:

1.  I have a bad memory

2. I'm not good at using the search function

[RadioRob]

And there’s nothing wrong with that. Going forward, if it happens a mod might simply merge the topics. (I don’t know how well merging will ultimately work and if it would generate a ton of “busy work” for the mod team yet.  It’s something we may try and measure it’s effectiveness and level of effort.)

[Trick]

One reason new threads are started about a provider is because the earlier threads about them have gotten off track.  One has to go through pages of replies before seeing one about the provider, if any.

[RadioRob]

1 hour ago, Trick said:

One reason new threads are started about a provider is because the earlier threads about them have gotten off track.  One has to go through pages of replies before seeing one about the provider, if any.

Moderators can cleanup/hide/split posts if a master topic is too far off track.  

[Simon Suraci]

On 4/19/2023 at 12:07 AM, CuriousByNature said:

I'm not good at using the search function

To effectively search, it’s important topics are spelled correctly. Frequently a poster will misspell a provider’s name or city and it’s then impossible to search for that topic.

Not sure what the solution is other than manual mod busywork to correct typos and I wouldn’t want to put that extra work on the team. Maybe members suggest corrections in the thread itself and address the comment to the respective moderator? 🤷‍♂️ 

[RadioRob]

5 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said:

To effectively search, it’s important topics are spelled correctly. Frequently a poster will misspell a provider’s name or city and it’s then impossible to search for that topic.

Not sure what the solution is other than manual mod busywork to correct typos and I wouldn’t want to put that extra work on the team. Maybe members suggest corrections in the thread itself and address the comment to the respective moderator? 🤷‍♂️ 

A master topic will be created by the new review system automatically once an item in the database is approved by a moderator/editor.  Part of the approval process will be checking for that sort of typo in the name field.  (It would also include other things such as adding photos if missing, verifying there is not already a record for that item in the database, etc.)

Once all the approval work is done, that item would be published and the forum topic would be created by the system.  (It would handle automatically adding a link to the master topic in the record itself and inside of the master topic copying data from the approved record.)

[Simon Suraci]

29 minutes ago, RadioRob said:

Part of the approval process will be checking for that sort of typo in the name field.

Thank you! Glad the system provides for vetting and ensuring all the key information is complete and input correctly up front before an item is added. 

[+ APPLE1]

I am not sure I fully understand what distinction will be made between REVIEWS and MASTER THREADS in terms of member responses.

Are you saying REVIEWS would strictly be limited to impressions and happenings during an actual meeting?

And MASTER THREADS would be more an area for  'I reached out to the provider and he said he charges $500 and doesn't kiss. He was slow to respond, changed his price, and I got the feeling he really only sees younger clients? '

Edited April 22, 2023 by APPLE1

[RadioRob]

On 4/22/2023 at 5:36 AM, APPLE1 said:

I am not sure I fully understand what distinction will be made between REVIEWS and MASTER THREADS in terms of member responses.

Are you saying REVIEWS would strictly be limited to impressions and happenings during an actual meeting?

And MASTER THREADS would be more an area for  'I reached out to the provider and he said he charges $500 and doesn't kiss. He was slow to respond, changed his price, and I got the feeling he really only sees younger clients? '

You're essentially on target.  

Reviews are essentially what Daddy's site was before.  Reviews of encounters that actually happened.  The person that saw the escort (or other item) has a chance to tell their story.  If the provider wants a chance to respond, they do as well and will have the final word.  

The master thread is general ongoing discussion that involve that item (person).  

The differences between Daddy's site and what I'm trying to do...

1. The new review system allows for more than escorts to be reviewed.  We can essentially review ANYTHING.  Each category of things to be reviewed can have it's own fields and it's own review questions.
2. The review system is highly integrated into the forum itself.  This includes having the ability to have new things being reviewed automatically have a forum discussion created.  That discussion will exist in both the item record itself and in the appropriate forum.  (They're basically automatically "synced".)
3. Daddy never separated the escort from the review.  Meaning every time you submitted a review, you submitted everything about an escort.  By having a database of escorts that just describe the escort, it's possible to then have reviews be linked to things that already exist.  I don't need you to tell me their height and weight, etc if the person already exists!  I already know it!  Instead you are simply telling me about the encounter itself.  
4. Daddy's site also allowed viewing by location and by date.  This will be added in a subsequent update.  Day one, I'm just trying to get functionality down.  The different "views" of the data will come soon.  

[Andy2]

I must applaud RadioRob.  This is a thoughtful update, and I appreciate RR's patience in explaining it to us.  

[dutchal]

How will it work for providers who are both escorts and masseurs?

[RadioRob]

1 hour ago, dutchal said:

How will it work for providers who are both escorts and masseurs?

There would be two different item records.  One in the Escort category and one in the Masseur category.  If they also happened to own a massage parlor in addition to their "side work", they could have a record for it in the Spas category.... and if they were very entrepreneurial with their own bar, they could have a record for it too!  🤪  🙃 

[BuffaloKyle]

On 4/27/2023 at 1:38 PM, RadioRob said:

There would be two different item records.  One in the Escort category and one in the Masseur category.  If they also happened to own a massage parlor in addition to their "side work", they could have a record for it in the Spas category.... and if they were very entrepreneurial with their own bar, they could have a record for it too!  🤪  🙃 

And what if they also are a dancer and I wanna start a thread about them under male strip clubs? Just kidding! 

Edited May 6, 2023 by BuffaloKyle

[SirBillybob]

Chapeau, @RadioRob! I, for one, will submit to your valiant efforts at traffic control. 

[JNY]

This sounds great! Any updates? How would I find it?

[SometimesBi]

Late questions: What if a newer provider doesn't yet have a review? So someone posts the typical 411 for them. Later, a review happens. Is it still merged? If so, would the older 411 posts come before the master post review details? Or could you 'fake' the master post's date to be at the beginning of time, thereby ensuring it is always the first post in the merged thread? 

[ICTJOCK]

Sounds like a good plan.

[+ Coolwave35]

Any chance you’ll consider unpinning these threads?  @RadioRob  I think we’ve been doing great without the database and I can’t imagine you need any more work… 

[+ DrownedBoy]

Have you considered simply doing the following, which would save a lot of work?

If you have the data in storage (either relational or not), you can simply search threads for URLs and use that to identify the provider. I know URLs change, but a simple RegEx for URLs should yield a name.

Another option (and I don't know how this platform works) is to natural language processing to to identify named entities (Proper nouns). If there's room for a Python script, there's a library that would do that easily.

(programmer by trade and nature)

[Lewis H]

Also, I know providers can move from state to state, but what about state/location in the thread title? That way users can opt to click on a thread or not, if it's about someone irrelevant to their location.