Whippoorwill Posted March 25, 2024 Posted March 25, 2024 HIghly scented lotions + azdr0710, Simon Suraci and Marc in Calif 1 2
viewing ownly Posted March 26, 2024 Posted March 26, 2024 A person or two already mentioned this, but a terrible listener is maddening. I personally can't stand having my back massaged when I'm on my back, reaching in with the sheet scraping sounds. I speak up. He keeps doing it. Up-selling but then not delivering is awful. I asked the guy when he was done why on Earth I had to give 50 more when the texted amount was agreed to. He said that the higher rate was for MY nudity, not his. Cancelling on me at the last minute to me is worse than no-showing my appointment, which of course is also terrible. Honestly it isn't possible for a masseur to be too talkative with me - I don't let them get a word in edgewise. 😆 Capitano, Johnrom and + bashful 2 1
PaulM Posted March 26, 2024 Posted March 26, 2024 (edited) Masseur took out a meth pipe and started blowing clouds before he started....got up and left! Edited March 26, 2024 by PaulM + robear, Exploritor, Simon Suraci and 7 others 7 1 2
Rod Hagen Posted March 26, 2024 Posted March 26, 2024 Most complaints in this thread concern unprofessional behavior, yet almost no poster is willing to hire professional masseurs. Simon Suraci, + FrankR, Swazca and 2 others 3 2
d.anders Posted March 26, 2024 Posted March 26, 2024 2 hours ago, Rod Hagen said: Most complaints in this thread concern unprofessional behavior, yet almost no poster is willing to hire professional masseurs. That does seem strange to me. Most of the guys who advertise on the gay massage sites are not professionals. Most of the customers here seem to be looking for a HE, or more versions of sex. I don't understand why anyone would expect professional behavior from a non-professional. It's a fantasy. Rod Hagen, Hyattsville and Simon Suraci 3
Guest Posted March 27, 2024 Posted March 27, 2024 (edited) 6 hours ago, d.anders said: That does seem strange to me. Most of the guys who advertise on the gay massage sites are not professionals. Most of the customers here seem to be looking for a HE, or more versions of sex. I don't understand why anyone would expect professional behavior from a non-professional. It's a fantasy. I counter this. We are looking for professionals who can do sensual therapy. It's hard to find - but lovely when you do. Edited March 27, 2024 by Alex93108
d.anders Posted March 27, 2024 Posted March 27, 2024 11 hours ago, Alex93108 said: We are looking for professionals who can do sensual therapy. It's hard to find - but lovely when you do. This is certainly the category that I fall into. Pros who do sensual work are difficult to find, primarily because professionals risk losing their license if they are caught (reported) for doing sensual/sexual work. Training and licensing are not cheap, so I understand why many wish to play it safe. If you lose your license, you close the door on so many work opportunities. For this reason, I understand the need to read between the lines. The may be the only venue where that is possible. Marc in Calif, StarQualityLuke, Rod Hagen and 1 other 1 3
Rod Hagen Posted March 27, 2024 Posted March 27, 2024 (edited) 16 hours ago, Alex93108 said: I counter this. We are looking for professionals who can do sensual therapy. It's hard to find - but lovely when you do. Which is why I (I know you weren't responding to my post) said "almost". If you are searching for, and finding, professionally trained masseurs who also offer sensual and/or erotic massage, you are doing your homework. Way to go! Even though you are likely disappointed occasionally, I have no doubt that your diligence stacks the deck/dick in your favor. The majority of people who hire masseurs don't sound as if they are looking for credentials. They are being led by their dicks, and then feeling bad, which is understandable, when the nonprofessional behaves nonprofessionally. I also blame masseurs for simply not thinking this fully through. If you are a licensed masseur BUT you offer erotic/sensual massage, don't mention your license in your ads or to your clients who aren't yet close friends. You are putting your license at risk, stay silent. However, you can say that you are certified. If you aren't specific as to which organization certified you, and you don't use your real name nor list what spas or facilities you might work at, there's really no risk (as long as your ad does not include face). Better yet, and perfectly both vague and honest, advertise as "professionally-trained." Problem solved. Oh if only everyone were as smart as I am :-) Edited March 27, 2024 by Rod Hagen Simon Suraci 1
KyleSmith4 Posted March 27, 2024 Posted March 27, 2024 Tossing me a tissue or two while laying flat on my back and leaving the room to wash his hands. BigNoiseDallas, + nycman, Capitano and 4 others 1 4 2
+ nycman Posted March 27, 2024 Posted March 27, 2024 4 hours ago, KyleSmith4 said: Tossing me a tissue or two while laying flat on my back and leaving the room to wash his hands. So true. Many guys (even good ones) dropped the ball on the "aftercare". KyleSmith4, Medin, Johnrom and 1 other 1 3
Bluefin Posted March 27, 2024 Posted March 27, 2024 On 3/26/2024 at 11:46 AM, d.anders said: That does seem strange to me. Most of the guys who advertise on the gay massage sites are not professionals. Most of the customers here seem to be looking for a HE, or more versions of sex. I don't understand why anyone would expect professional behavior from a non-professional. It's a fantasy. I’ve encountered more professionally acting guys from the massage sites than not and plenty of guys who give great massages. There’s nothing inherently unprofessional about providing a HE is there? Tactile Daddy, Whippoorwill and Simon Suraci 1 2
+ APPLE1 Posted March 28, 2024 Posted March 28, 2024 On 3/26/2024 at 10:16 AM, Rod Hagen said: Most complaints in this thread concern unprofessional behavior, yet almost no poster is willing to hire professional masseurs. That has not been my experience. As someone who has hired more professional masseurs than non-professional, I have experienced most of these problems with both. I believe mastering how to deal with people, and provide good service are learned skills. Only the very basics can be taught via formal instruction, and your answer to another post better illuminates the bigger issue. ROD HAGEN: Oddly, often the guys who charge WAY above average aren't digging the job. And many of us who do love the work, charge average or below and always have. - 3/27/24, in forum 'Discount for in shape, good-looking and younger clients?' No matter what job you do, you always perform the work better when you don't hate the work. I just don't envision, that typically, anyone whose sole thought process is waking up and thinking, "fuck! Rent is due. I guess I am going to have to stroke some guy today to pay the bills, " has the motivation to do the job well. Rod Hagen, Simon Suraci, + bashful and 2 others 2 3
Lohengrin1979 Posted March 28, 2024 Posted March 28, 2024 My pet peeve is a masseur showing up smelling like his last meal. I’m sorry but I can’t relax when onion or garlic is wafting over me with every stroke. Exploritor, MikeBiDude, Medin and 1 other 4
Capitano Posted March 28, 2024 Posted March 28, 2024 (edited) On 5/4/2023 at 4:11 PM, Beef-a-roni said: Getting my face farted in by the masseur. This could be an art form, especially if performed in a dirty room in a cheap motel. As someone else said, there are people willing to pay top dollar for this. 😅 Joking aside, and in addition to many valid points others have made, I hate it when they try to move the appointment when I am already in the car on my way to see them. If you don't agree, you risk getting a subpar experience because of the bad vibe. If you agree, you just wasted some time you could have used otherwise. This is another reason I avoid masseur couples who push 4-handed massages. I don't want one, and I know they may cancel if someone who wants it comes along, and the least they'll do is to try to move my appointment. Edited March 28, 2024 by Capitano Pygian 1
BigNoiseDallas Posted March 28, 2024 Posted March 28, 2024 33 minutes ago, Capitano said: This could be an art form, especially if performed in a dirty room in a cheap motel. As someone else said, there are people willing to pay top dollar for this. 😅 Joking aside, and in addition to many valid points others have made, I hate it when they try to move the appointment when I am already in the car on my way to see them. If you don't agree, you risk getting a subpar experience because of the bad vibe. If you agree, you just wasted some time you could have used otherwise. This is another reason I avoid masseur couples who push 4-handed massages. I don't want one, and I know they may cancel if someone who wants it comes along, and the least they'll do is to try to move my appointment. Found a local guy I saw twice. Great massage, nice extras. The day before or the day of the first appointment, he moved me back by 30 minutes or an hour so that he could go to breakfast with his boyfriend; he delayed my second appointment by 15 minutes because he was finishing a late breakfast with the boyfriend. For the second appointment, I was on time but had to wait in my SUV. If you're not respectful of my time, don't expect me to schedule with you again. Medin, Capitano and + bashful 3
d.anders Posted March 28, 2024 Posted March 28, 2024 (edited) 18 hours ago, Rod Hagen said: If you are a licensed masseur BUT you offer erotic/sensual massage, don't mention your license in your ads or to your clients who aren't yet close friends. This is smart advice, but, as a serious customer seeking therapeutic + nudity + intimate touch, I'm crying. When I communicate and ask about a license, if the provider doesn't say yes in some obvious manner, I won't book. I fully understand and respect the risk. I had credentials in my own job that needed to be protected, and I didn't always play by the rules. I disagreed with some of the rules, so I needed to be discreet. In my communication, I always state that I'm not looking for sex, but my truth doesn't mean my first-time email can or should be treated like a trusted friend. This dance is depressing. 12 hours ago, Bluefin said: I’ve encountered more professionally acting guys from the massage sites than not and plenty of guys who give great massages. Actors are more inclined to do damage. I once had an "actor" masseur who nearly put me in the hospital, and the trauma left some scars. Many people think massage is nothing more serious than taking a nap. Training doesn't matter. They are wrong. Of course, if you're just looking for sex, than having someone oil you up and pretend to massage with fake Swedish strokes, then perhaps no big deal. Edited March 28, 2024 by d.anders Medin 1
BeefyDude Posted March 28, 2024 Posted March 28, 2024 On 4/18/2023 at 10:24 PM, Simon Suraci said: It seldom happens, but I have to admit once in a while my wifi connection has a little blip and the playlist ends after a song instead of continuing to play through the list. I have to start playing another list because going back and finding the right song and pressing play will take way too much time versus a few seconds playing another fresh list. 30 seconds of your masseur NOT working on you without any music feels like an eternity, much less a full minute, so I’m very sensitive to that. When it happens that odd time, in my head sirens and lights are flashing while I try not to panic as I quickly remedy the situation. My music plays on Amazon speakers and they are utterly dependent on a constant, stable wifi connection. I can’t control the wifi connection. I apologize on behalf of others in the same boat. Depending on your masseur’s setup, it oftentimes is not his fault, it’s out of his control. Quick note on Bluetooth. This is another (arguably) more stable option, but for surround sound multiple speakers work best, and linking through wifi seems to be the best way to do that without wiring directly to one or more devices. I’m open to suggestions. My building has a fire alarm system. Again, it rarely happens, but a couple times a year a false alarm starts from somewhere else in the building and I have to end the massage. It’s really frustrating. Again, not under my control, at least not until I move. Still annoying though, for both client and masseur. speaking of music, pick appropriate music. One guy had quite loud Hip Hop music. Not disrespecting the music, but NOT appropriate for a massage. He had to step out of the room. I ran over and turned the volume down. When he came back he cranked it up. Yes that is partially on me for not saying something. BUT (always a but) a good masseur would ask if the music (temp lighting etc) is ok before proceeding and throughout the massage - IMHO Medin, Rod Hagen, Simon Suraci and 1 other 3 1
d.anders Posted March 28, 2024 Posted March 28, 2024 11 hours ago, APPLE1 said: As someone who has hired more professional masseurs than non-professional, I have experienced most of these problems with both. Just wanted to say, I have decades of pro-massage experience (in a spa, but mostly my home) and most of the issues in this thread are alien to me. 11 hours ago, APPLE1 said: ROD HAGEN: Oddly, often the guys who charge WAY above average aren't digging the job. And many of us who do love the work, charge average or below and always have. - 3/27/24, in forum 'Discount for in shape, good-looking and younger clients?' No matter what job you do, you always perform the work better when you don't hate the work. I just don't envision, that typically, anyone whose sole thought process is waking up and thinking, "fuck! Rent is due. I guess I am going to have to stroke some guy today to pay the bills, " has the motivation to do the job well. Behavior may not be "typical," but provider mood can make a difference, and people's moods can change on dime. Generally speaking, I agree with Rod Hagen, people who love their job are oftentimes not motivated by money. OTOH, I once knew a talented masseur who did not enjoy the work. He basically did not like people. He got into massage at an early age, thinking it might be easy money. He eventually raised his prices because he needed the money to motivate him. He's still doing massage, and now limits his customers to no more than two a day. A lot of people in America would like to earn $600 a day. Capitano 1
BJNYC Posted March 28, 2024 Posted March 28, 2024 Masseurs expecting the same tip when they don’t provide a similar experience to the one they have offered before. If you go above and beyond, the tip reflects that. + JamesB, Simon Suraci and Capitano 3
Marc in Calif Posted March 28, 2024 Posted March 28, 2024 3 hours ago, BeefyDude said: BUT (always a but) a good masseur would ask if the music (temp lighting etc) is ok before proceeding and throughout the massage And a great masseur asks what type of music you'd prefer, as well as how much light you'd like. 👍 Lohengrin1979, StarQualityLuke and Medin 2 1
Marc in Calif Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 (edited) 4 hours ago, Simon Suraci said: Don’t like my music? Just say so and I’ll change it! Starting with music that the masseur likes might inhibit the client from asking to change it. After all, it's your music, right? Hence my suggestion that reflects what my favorite masseurs do: Ask the client first about his preferred style and volume of music. It empowers him. It also encourages them to subsequently be upfront with other aspects of the massage: "A little less pressure on my back, please" -- before you even ask about the pressure. Edited March 29, 2024 by Marc in Calif
Monarchy79 Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 Interruptions. A while back, I had a masseur who kept stopping, going to get the massage product, having to pee, then sipping on water. He didn’t understand that a massage is supposed to be a full flow…..
Monarchy79 Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 15 hours ago, BeefyDude said: speaking of music, pick appropriate music. One guy had quite loud Hip Hop music. Not disrespecting the music, but NOT appropriate for a massage. He had to step out of the room. I ran over and turned the volume down. When he came back he cranked it up. Yes that is partially on me for not saying something. BUT (always a but) a good masseur would ask if the music (temp lighting etc) is ok before proceeding and throughout the massage - IMHO There are some genres of music I believe should never be played during a massage… rap music is one of them. Add rock, heavy metal, techno and any form of “club” music to the mix of music “no-nos” Medin 1
d.anders Posted March 29, 2024 Posted March 29, 2024 1 hour ago, Monarchy79 said: He didn’t understand that a massage is supposed to be a full flow….. Absolutely full flow. For the entire duration, I prefer at least one warm hand to never leave my body. If he must let go, let him do it with sensitivity and meaning, and by all means, never ever let the hand that touches me naked be cold. 1 hour ago, Monarchy79 said: There are some genres of music I believe should never be played during a massage… rap music is one of them. Add rock, heavy metal, techno and any form of “club” music to the mix of music “no-nos” Absolutely spot on. I prefer to let the masseur pick the music, since his energy and spirit rule the hour. Some guys have surprised me, and turned me on to new artists. I don't recall ever having anyone make a bad music choice. Monarchy79 and Simon Suraci 2
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