"Rate Varies" Why?

[tanman4u]

I've noticed more and more ads on Men4RentNow say "Rate Varies". Why would it vary? Sure if travel was involved I can understand and for anything waaay out of the ordinary. But, for example, I'm shopping around today and found a guy in Boston that looks like just my type but both the In and Out rate "varies". I don't want to call him and find out he's $Eleventy Billion Dollars an hour and have to meekly say "sorry you're outta my league". Do you think the rate goes up as the degree of the hotness of the client goes down? Or maybe the rate goes up depending on how far he goes? I don't get it.

 

Kevin (tanman4u)

"Never have anything done to yourself that ends in ectomy"

[+ Charlie]

It may simply mean that the rate varies according to what you want to do, or when and for how long, but it may also mean that he doesn't want to commit himself to a fixed rate because he is open to bargaining.

[HotdadENYC]

Charlie, you took the words right out of my mouth ! All of the things you mentioned are definite possibilities.

 

If a posted price is way out of my league, then I don't even bother making any contact. But, if the "price varies", I assume that some discussion is OK and even depending on the day of the week or time of the month, might be financially a good choice.

 

I don't like to engage in protracted price negotiations with an escort, but a lot of times, they throw out a range and sometimes I'm very comfortable working within that range.

 

Of course, sometimes, my entertainment budget won't allow it. But you don't know until you ask.

 

hd NYC

[Epigonos]

I always make my first couple of contacts with an escort by email. In my initial email I state clearly what I am looking for, in my case lunch/dinner and a couple of hours of play time, and ask for his fee. I he responds with what I consider a reasonable fee I continue setting up a meeting. If, on the other hand, I find his fee excessive, I thank him and inform him that I am not interested in proceeding. Has worked so far for me.

[JT Brooklyn]

Charlie and Hotdad..Right on the Money..I have noticed many of the guys, at least in NYC have removed a stated amt $200-225 AND REPLACED it with Rate Varies...Which definitely sounds more "Negotiable" and "Friendly"..Then some of the Super Stars, like Ken Ryker on Rentboy today..With the "Call My People" TYPE of AD. Rate Varies definitely worth either email or Phone Call... BUT the "Call Us" ..Forget it Thank You! :+ :+ :+

[Vincent_Michael]

Rates vary for many reasons but I can’t only see how that would make sense if they were traveling or for an overnight. I don’t see how or why rates would very in terms of an hourly appointment…Most escorts charge a ridicules amount for one hour and from friends who have told me that if you book for 3 hours you can get a better deal. I still think the rate they offer as a good deal is awfull.

[SAdler]

I am guilty of the infamous rate varies on a regular basis. Until recently I had only worked on a session basis so my appointments could last anywhere from an hour and a half to six hours at the same rate.

 

Nowadays I do hourly and only didn't ask those who hired at the lowest hourly not to post rates. At least with the lowest hourly rate posted I get a couple more inquiries

 

In all honesty, even with hourly rates if they were posted I feel some people would be intimidated and not bother messaging me. Frankly, in terms of my sessions, I have a unique style of working that can't really be grasped by looking at a rate and how much time is spent together. I usually feel with rates saying "varies" or "please contact" I can fully explain my services and then someone can make their judgement based on what the full picture is as opposed to the dollar amount.

[HotdadENYC]

Scott, this was a really good response. I guess I had overlooked the fact that this posting was in the "Ask an Escort" section and I am glad to see that you chimed in.

 

In my case, you definitely captured the essence of how I feel and what I look for when viewing escort ads.

 

I think the "rate varies" concept makes a lot of sense. It doesn't preclude me from looking at ads that do have posted rates, unless of course the rates are so outrageous that I laugh and move on.

 

But since I like to get know escorts via e-mail and/or phone before I make up my mind, the "rate varies" affords an opportunity (no pun intended) to break the ice.

 

hd NYC

[Rick Munroe]

>Frankly, in terms of my sessions, I have a unique style

>of working that can't really be grasped

 

Maybe you're using too much lube.

[Vincent_Michael]

Rick I love to use to much lube...makes things go in much easier

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

The Long and Winding Road

 

>I don't get it.

>

 

I do so hate to sound like a broken record, but I was recently reminded that I had not been recently peppering the site with my patented "It depends" responses.

 

Like so many things between an escort and a client, communication is the key to getting what you want. Not inquiring of any escort, when you have any question, only accomplishes one thing: limits the possibilities.

 

The worst that could possibly happen is that you would send an e-mail (or make a phone call) and get either no response or one that you could not live with.

 

The best? A very enjoyable and affordable experience....

[+ Lucky]

RE: The Long and Winding Road

 

"The Long and Winding Road"

 

I saw that and just knew it was a Franco post!!

[Rick Munroe]

>Rick I love to use to much lube...makes things go in much

>easier

 

I agree...that's why I just had to buy an econo-size of Eros, the escort's best friend. }(

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Mars Needs Twinks!

 

>"The Long and Winding Road"

>

>I saw that and just knew it was a Franco post!

 

pasasalamat

[+ Lucky]

RE: Mars Bars Need Twinks!

 

Taos- pusong pasasalamat po ang ipinaaabot ko

sa mga sumusunod: Gng. Guadalupe PupingCadiz sa pagbibigay!

 

I think that means "it depends" or else, I love Franco!!

[HotdadENYC]

Jesus Fucking Christ, is it too much to ask the responders and posters to stick to the intent of the original thread?

 

Some of my colleagues posted good responses, but some of the escorts (Vincent Michael and Scott Adler) actually posted even better responses, even if they were as different as night and day.

 

This is a topic that involves money and under what circumstances we (as clients) will spend money and why escorts will charge different rates; I don't see the need to traverse into other areas of discussion.

 

So, to put it simply....why do escorts post "rate varies"? Does it improve your business in any demonstrable way? And clients, how do you feel about responding to a quoted price vs. "varied price"?

 

I've already posted how I feel about this, but I wanted to say that I would hate to see THIS thread head into a tangential oblivion. The issue couldn't be more clear.

 

hd NYC

[+ Lucky]

RE: "Thread Varies" Why?

 

One thing I have learned here is that threads take on a life of their own, despite whatever any one poster wants. You have frequently made the same criticism, dad, but I suggest you would be happier if you let things take their course. For most of us, the answer to the above question was obvious, so why stick to a rigid rule?

[Rick Munroe]

>I don't see the need to traverse

>into other areas of discussion.

 

I do.

[HotdadENYC]

RE: "Thread Varies" Why?

 

>One thing I have learned here is that threads take on a life

>of their own, despite whatever any one poster wants. You have

>frequently made the same criticism, dad, but I suggest you

>would be happier if you let things take their course. For most

>of us, the answer to the above question was obvious, so why

>stick to a rigid rule?

 

 

Lucky, I'm actually pretty happy and enjoy reading the posts on this board.

 

I just thought that this topic, which to me was crystal clear in its intent and purpose, shouldn't fall victim to the same destiny that other vital postings have faced. Oh well.

 

Thanks for the slap in the face, or slap on the ass. I concede that I am not always consistent and don't pretend to be. I tend to react as I read them and post what I feel. Sometimes my feelings change based on what others post. My colleagues often voice valuable feelings that make me rethink my original position.

 

<SMILE>

 

BUT, thanks for the good advice. You're right. I can't control the direction that these postings take. But every now and then I might try. Or post my opinion. I can still do that, right? <STUPID GRIN>

 

Thanks again, Lucky, for your considerate and constructive criticism.

 

Regards, buddy

 

hd NYC

[Luv2play]

Of the two approaches towards pricing, I prefer the fixed price, which may include a differential for in/out appointments. I rarely contact an escort who posts "price varies" for some reason, I just think it is sort of unprofessional. Frankly, rather than "price varies", I would prefer a base price quote and some indication of what would entail a higher price, such as activities requested or extra effort on the part of the escort such as travel beyond the usual territory.

 

Another pricing variation which I sometimes encounter is the "ask" category. I sometimes think this means "if you have to ask, you can't afford me" LOL. This was recently confirmed when I asked a travelling escort what he charged (he had "ask" in his ad)and was told $500 the first hour, $400 for each additional hour and $2000 overnite whew!!!). Predictably, I passed on that opportunity, but there were no hard feelings (as the judge said, "there's no harm in asking"). :+

[+ Charlie]

RE: Mars Bars Need Twinks!

 

Hey! I thought we weren't supposed to post in a foreign language! I answered a post here in German once, and it was pulled, with a sharp rebuke from deej.

[PacNW]

I, too, tend to avoid the "price varies" guys. I am inexperienced at, and uncomfortable with, negotiating prices, whether it's a new car or some tourist trinket while traveling abroad. I always feel like I'm being measured up for how big of a sucker (not in a good way) I am. When I'm done I always have the insecurity of "did I just get taken for a laughably high amount?" One of the reasons I hire escorts is to minimize the game playing. Negotiating over price seems to be heading in the other direction.

[CeverDC]

I have been "guilty" of using "Rate Varies" on the Men4RentNow.com site.

 

There are a couple of reasons for this: a) My reviews (with one exceptions) have been done by multi-hour clients. These reviews quote a rate that is not the same (but lower, hourly)as for single-hour sessions.

 

I have found that I reduce the number of (mis-leading) enquiries in direct proportion to my one-hour rate. Therefore, by upping my single-hour rate, and reducing the cost of subsequent hours, I deal with clients who are like me: not into watching clocks, and interested in moving slowly towards a satisfying "date", regardless of time spent.

 

b) There is always a client who makes a request that is far-enough removed from the "normal" that it requires an additional charge for my participations.

 

When taking these two circumstances into consideration, I find that in order to be completely honest and open, I must list my rate as VARIES. There is no attempt to hide any costs; all costs are spelled out clearly before I confirm a session.

 

 

Cever

Washington, DC

CeverDC@mindspring.com

202-412-9006

[LovesYng]

What I have seen on here and other places is when the escorts ego starts gettin bigger the price goes up. Some start thinking they are the best in the world and I can charge what I want and I'll get it.

 

When you talk to them they make it sound like their shit don't stink and I'm the GOD of escorts.

 

When in doubt I whip it out :+

[Boston Guy]

Packy,

 

Negotiation can be your friend. :-) All it takes is a little patience, an understanding of what you are seeking, a willingness to try to understand what the other party is seeking, a willingness to compromise, and a bit of backbone. And, too, the ability to accept the outcome of a successful negotiation without constantly looking back and wondering if you could have gotten more. Learning to be happy takes training too, sometimes.

 

Some examples of what people advise when it comes to negotiating:

 

http://www.worc.org/pdfs/negot.pdf

http://jobstar.org/tools/salary/chapman.cfm

http://www.wrightslaw.com/advoc/tips/palmer_negotiation_process.htm

http://www.divorcehelp.com/shortcourse/C23.html

http://www.collegegrad.com/offer/index.shtml

http://www.twbookmark.com/books/13/0446529737/chapter_excerpt17559.html

http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item.jhtml?id=4278&t=strategy

 

If you look through all of the documents, you'll see that they refer to negotiations for very different kinds of things. But you'll also notice a lot of commonality. Good negotiating skills are learnable and, when applied well, can help both parties to a negotiation leave the table happy.

 

BG